Things other road users do that drive you crazy!

[RobM77]

As Chris says though, it's common courtesy - ie a basic level of politeness assumed for most people. Arrogance and rudeness are two of my pet hates.

[popeyewhite]

RobM77 said:

As Chris says though, it's common courtesy -

I disagree with you on that one Rob. There's no onus placed on the car in lane 2 to watch for cars catching up other cars on his inside, even if it was considered good practice (which it may well be). I travel the motorways frequently and I've very, very seldom seen the car on my outside move to accommodate any overtake I may need to to in order that I don't have to brake for the car in front. Expecting courtesy for that is a step too far IMO.

[Europa1]

The invisible blinkers that all too many drivers don when they are in slow moving traffic, making them oblivious to people waiting to come out of side streets.

[Stu08]

Dual carriageways with traffic lights................

- You're in the left lane with two cars ahead of you; cars in front are travelling below the speed limit as you approach.

- Lights ahead change to red; you indicate and pull out to use the right hand lane as it's most likely you'll pull off quicker.

- Second car back decides to pull out straight in front of you as you approach the overtake; so you brake (I have no issues there).

- You're now sat behind said car in the right hand lane with one car to your lane in the left.

- Lights turn green.....................the car which pulled out in front of you to take the empty lane at the lights then pulls away slower than the car they just pulled past!!!!! Why?!

- They then indicate and pull in behind the car which was in the left hand lane.

[Hol]

Stu08 said:

Dual carriageways with traffic lights................

- You're in the left lane with two cars ahead of you; cars in front are travelling below the speed limit as you approach.

- Lights ahead change to red; you indicate and pull out to use the right hand lane as it's most likely you'll pull off quicker.

- Second car back decides to pull out straight in front of you as you approach the overtake; so you brake (I have no issues there).

- You're now sat behind said car in the right hand lane with one car to your lane in the left.

- Lights turn green.....................the car which pulled out in front of you to take the empty lane at the lights then pulls away slower than the car they just pulled past!!!!! Why?!

- They then indicate and pull in behind the car which was in the left hand lane.

Did you notice an APIS sticker?

Or someone shouting 'maniac' at you??

[Hol]

popeyewhite said:

RobM77 said:

As Chris says though, it's common courtesy -

I disagree with you on that one Rob. There's no onus placed on the car in lane 2 to watch for cars catching up other cars on his inside, even if it was considered good practice (which it may well be). I travel the motorways frequently and I've very, very seldom seen the car on my outside move to accommodate any overtake I may need to to in order that I don't have to brake for the car in front. Expecting courtesy for that is a step too far IMO.

I have seen 'some' other people do it also, as its quite obvious to the over-taker when its going to happen. Admittedly, I do see 'more' people who wouldn't do too badly riding a motorbike in Tron.

Having some common sense as the person being overtaken helps as well. Its not really difficult to keep an eye on your side & rear mirrors over time and speed up/pull out into the next lane earlier.

[popeyewhite]

Hol said:

I have seen 'some' other people do it also, as its quite obvious to the over-taker when its going to happen. Admittedly, I do see 'more' people who wouldn't do too badly riding a motorbike in Tron.

Having some common sense as the person being overtaken helps as well. Its not really difficult to keep an eye on your side & rear mirrors over time and speed up/pull out into the next lane earlier.

Agreed, but saying the driver has poor manners not doing this suggests an air of expectancy - which is misplaced I think.

[Europa1]

Hol said:

popeyewhite said:

RobM77 said:

As Chris says though, it's common courtesy -

I disagree with you on that one Rob. There's no onus placed on the car in lane 2 to watch for cars catching up other cars on his inside, even if it was considered good practice (which it may well be). I travel the motorways frequently and I've very, very seldom seen the car on my outside move to accommodate any overtake I may need to to in order that I don't have to brake for the car in front. Expecting courtesy for that is a step too far IMO.

I have seen 'some' other people do it also, as its quite obvious to the over-taker when its going to happen. Admittedly, I do see 'more' people who wouldn't do too badly riding a motorbike in Tron.

Having some common sense as the person being overtaken helps as well. Its not really difficult to keep an eye on your side & rear mirrors over time and speed up/pull out into the next lane earlier.

Hol hits the nail on the head in his final sentence: "over time" - i.e., anticipation, something woefully lacking in many drivers. The person in the inside lane can (hopefully!) see they are gaining ground on the vehicle in front, but all too few then make the connection that that means that in the not-too-distant future they will need to overtake it, so should be gauging the surrounding traffic conditions in anticipation of making that move, as opposed to the all too common "oh, I'm now right behind that HGV that I've been steadily gaining on, I'll pull out into the next lane".

[popeyewhite]

Europa1 said:

Hol said:

popeyewhite said:

RobM77 said:

As Chris says though, it's common courtesy -

I disagree with you on that one Rob. There's no onus placed on the car in lane 2 to watch for cars catching up other cars on his inside, even if it was considered good practice (which it may well be). I travel the motorways frequently and I've very, very seldom seen the car on my outside move to accommodate any overtake I may need to to in order that I don't have to brake for the car in front. Expecting courtesy for that is a step too far IMO.

I have seen 'some' other people do it also, as its quite obvious to the over-taker when its going to happen. Admittedly, I do see 'more' people who wouldn't do too badly riding a motorbike in Tron.

Having some common sense as the person being overtaken helps as well. Its not really difficult to keep an eye on your side & rear mirrors over time and speed up/pull out into the next lane earlier.

Hol hits the nail on the head in his final sentence: "over time" - i.e., anticipation, something woefully lacking in many drivers. The person in the inside lane can (hopefully!) see they are gaining ground on the vehicle in front, but all too few then make the connection that that means that in the not-too-distant future they will need to overtake it, so should be gauging the surrounding traffic conditions in anticipation of making that move, as opposed to the all too common "oh, I'm now right behind that HGV that I've been steadily gaining on, I'll pull out into the next lane".

Hol uses the words "common sense", which it is. What it is not is bad manners. Just as not letting someone out of a junction when you don't have to isn't bad manners.

[ljrw93]

The best one is when you move into lane three to allow somebody in lane one to use lane two to pass a slower car they're catching and they do either of the following:

1) Use lane two and match your speed leaving you stuck in lane three with a floor it or brake situation.
2) Use lane two and floor it, leaving you sat in lane three looking stupid.

[RobM77]

popeyewhite said:

Europa1 said:

Hol said:

popeyewhite said:

RobM77 said:

As Chris says though, it's common courtesy -

I disagree with you on that one Rob. There's no onus placed on the car in lane 2 to watch for cars catching up other cars on his inside, even if it was considered good practice (which it may well be). I travel the motorways frequently and I've very, very seldom seen the car on my outside move to accommodate any overtake I may need to to in order that I don't have to brake for the car in front. Expecting courtesy for that is a step too far IMO.

I have seen 'some' other people do it also, as its quite obvious to the over-taker when its going to happen. Admittedly, I do see 'more' people who wouldn't do too badly riding a motorbike in Tron.

Having some common sense as the person being overtaken helps as well. Its not really difficult to keep an eye on your side & rear mirrors over time and speed up/pull out into the next lane earlier.

Hol hits the nail on the head in his final sentence: "over time" - i.e., anticipation, something woefully lacking in many drivers. The person in the inside lane can (hopefully!) see they are gaining ground on the vehicle in front, but all too few then make the connection that that means that in the not-too-distant future they will need to overtake it, so should be gauging the surrounding traffic conditions in anticipation of making that move, as opposed to the all too common "oh, I'm now right behind that HGV that I've been steadily gaining on, I'll pull out into the next lane".

Hol uses the words "common sense", which it is. What it is not is bad manners. Just as not letting someone out of a junction when you don't have to isn't bad manners.

Sorry, I'm busy at work today and I mis-read the original post; I thought it was referring to people joining the motorway.

However, I still move over for people in the situation being described, and it would be below my standards of politeness not to, but I probably have above average awareness and politeness - I wouldn't expect the average person to move over, no.

[WD39]

Hol said:

Stu08 said:

Dual carriageways with traffic lights................

- You're in the left lane with two cars ahead of you; cars in front are travelling below the speed limit as you approach.

- Lights ahead change to red; you indicate and pull out to use the right hand lane as it's most likely you'll pull off quicker.

- Second car back decides to pull out straight in front of you as you approach the overtake; so you brake (I have no issues there).

- You're now sat behind said car in the right hand lane with one car to your lane in the left.

- Lights turn green.....................the car which pulled out in front of you to take the empty lane at the lights then pulls away slower than the car they just pulled past!!!!! Why?!

- They then indicate and pull in behind the car which was in the left hand lane.

Did you notice an APIS sticker?

Having consulted the APIS manual, (It's like a telephone book.) Page 109 para 5 sub section 4 'It all depends on whether it is two lanes into one after the lights OR, RHL is right turn only.'

[Lgfst]

I thought of others (which may have been posted already)

> People that speed up when you overtake them.

> When someone else does something wrong or stupid and you beep, then they beep back and gesture as if you have done something wrong.

[Hol]

WD39 said:

Having consulted the APIS manual, (It's like a telephone book.) Page 109 para 5 sub section 4 'It all depends on whether it is two lanes into one after the lights OR, RHL is right turn only.'

Its all PDF downloadable in the interweb now!!

[WD39]

WD39 said:

WD39 said:

What a good thread this is becoming.

1...Serial speeders

2...Palm steerers

3...Corner cutters

4...Straight lining bends in the road or on RAB

5...The total lack of indication these days.

6...Chav platers

7...Pushers in at two lanes into one situations.

8...Tail gating, in effect saying 'get a move on'.

9...C**p parking

10... 'On the phone'

11...Bikers tearing up our lovely country roads as their own Isle of Man TT track.

12...Drivers not giving way when the obstruction is on their side of the road.

[Maxf]

People who think their car is literally going to fall off the road at the slightest corner.

People who think that a perfectly safe and considered overtake is somehow illegal and warrants wild gesticulating/flashing.

[swisstoni]

People who see a green light as something that might change, rather than something that they might just get through if they get a move on.

[Vipers]

popeyewhite said:

RobM77 said:

As Chris says though, it's common courtesy -

I disagree with you on that one Rob. There's no onus placed on the car in lane 2 to watch for cars catching up other cars on his inside, even if it was considered good practice (which it may well be). I travel the motorways frequently and I've very, very seldom seen the car on my outside move to accommodate any overtake I may need to to in order that I don't have to brake for the car in front. Expecting courtesy for that is a step too far IMO.

Often I find I am in L2 cc at 70. You are approaching a vehicle in L1 which is going slower than you and a vehicle in front of you in L1 is catching the vehicle in front of him in L1.

If I can I will move over to L3 to allow the car in L1 move over to L2 and pass the other vehicle, sorted.

[Vipers]

Europa1 said:

The invisible blinkers that all too many drivers don when they are in slow moving traffic, making them oblivious to people waiting to come out of side streets.

Blinkers. Those who pull up to unload and put all the indicators on. Then a truck pulls up behind them, so on approach you can only see the offside imdicators flashing, how many times I have slowed down and flashed them out thinking that's their intention.

[Ste1987]

Has anyone else noticed how everyone starts sticking to 70mph on the m-way in the presence of a non-emergency police vehicle, ie. CSI, Scientific support etc? This really annoys me