How to deal with 17 year old driving dangerously?
Discussion
OwenK said:
One of the most informative driving experiences of my life was a half day tuition at Millbrook, the instructor was pushing me WAY beyond my comfort zone and letting me see first hand not only how capable modern cars are but also how frankly unnerving the feelings can be when pushing it & occasionally how it feels when it goes wrong.
One of the most amazing passenger rides I've ever had was in an LDV minibus at Millbrook - the driver was one of their test drivers. Inch-perfect slides out of corners (I was watching tyres going very, very close to the gravel just off-track) on the Alpine route, it was in a whole new league of speed and precision... and it felt 100% safe. That takes you down a peg or 2 as a 17 year old.zarjaz1991 said:
Riley Blue said:
FWIW, I think 17 is too young an age at which to start driving. Teenagers don't have the mental maturity to accept responsibility for the consequences of their actions. I would simply take the keys away and tell him they'll be returned when he proves he can be trusted to drive sensibly.
Unfair. Many 17 year olds are mature enough. I was, and so were most of my friends at the time. It's not the majority that are complete idiots, it's just a few. Deal with them, don't spoil it for everyone else.
Also if I hadn't a licence at that age, I would also have missed out on my first proper job which required me to have a licence. This job started a career path that has lasted me over 20 years.
New drivers should be treated an individuals, and if they do something stupid then they should be punished as individuals.
If you were to raise the driving age, what would it be raised to? 18? 20? 25? Because I remember when some of my friends and family started driving, some drove like complete t
and were a couple of years older than 17, and others drove sensibly who were nearer the minimum age limit.
QuickQuack said:
Thank you very much indeed again everyone. All advice is gladly received. As I'm sure you can all understand in my previous posts, the worst aspect is the driving in the school and the built up areas with the consequent danger to small children and others.
He is a bit of a wayward 17 year old (almost 18 now...) regarding his attitude to several things unfortunately, but I do hope we can straighten him out. He's currently doing his A-Levels and hoping to study PPE at university, likely to convert to law afterwards, so he does have a target; he's just a bit lazy about actually getting there.
The plan so far is:
1) Keys are back with us, he drives only with us in the car for now. That's at least until he completes Pass Plus but subject to review. In the meantime, he goes back to school drop offs and pick ups with the younger ones; luckily they're all at the same school. He has to go back to lifts from us for everything else but only when convenient for us. If he misses out on meeting up with friends, bad luck.
2) Pass Plus is booked.
3) He will be doing some online safe driving modules which I can access for free for family via work.
4) He will spend time with Reg Local from PH (see above, ex-traffic officer, knows how to handle similar kids!). Hopefully spending time with an indepedent person, and an ex-traffic officer who knows about these things at that, will help with his attitude.
5) Regular scheduled reviews of the footage from his car once he's allowed to drive on his own again.
6) Going over to black box insurance from January onwards and if he loses his insurance as a result of his driving, he's on his own. He will not be bailed out anymore, this is his last chance.
7) He'll be asked to read as many of 10PS's posts as I can find.
Does that sound reasonable in trying to balance punishment/education/stop him killing himself or others?
Fair play. So much for the few lambasting you for asking the question here in the first place.He is a bit of a wayward 17 year old (almost 18 now...) regarding his attitude to several things unfortunately, but I do hope we can straighten him out. He's currently doing his A-Levels and hoping to study PPE at university, likely to convert to law afterwards, so he does have a target; he's just a bit lazy about actually getting there.
The plan so far is:
1) Keys are back with us, he drives only with us in the car for now. That's at least until he completes Pass Plus but subject to review. In the meantime, he goes back to school drop offs and pick ups with the younger ones; luckily they're all at the same school. He has to go back to lifts from us for everything else but only when convenient for us. If he misses out on meeting up with friends, bad luck.
2) Pass Plus is booked.
3) He will be doing some online safe driving modules which I can access for free for family via work.
4) He will spend time with Reg Local from PH (see above, ex-traffic officer, knows how to handle similar kids!). Hopefully spending time with an indepedent person, and an ex-traffic officer who knows about these things at that, will help with his attitude.
5) Regular scheduled reviews of the footage from his car once he's allowed to drive on his own again.
6) Going over to black box insurance from January onwards and if he loses his insurance as a result of his driving, he's on his own. He will not be bailed out anymore, this is his last chance.
7) He'll be asked to read as many of 10PS's posts as I can find.
Does that sound reasonable in trying to balance punishment/education/stop him killing himself or others?
tgk300 said:
Old thread I know, but if I were you I would just let him do what he likes. Nothing worse than a dad who is babying you.
You dug this thread out of the dust to post this piece of fantastic advice? The lad in question will be 21 or so by now, so I expect either they sorted the problem or he died in a fireball.boyse7en said:
tgk300 said:
Old thread I know, but if I were you I would just let him do what he likes. Nothing worse than a dad who is babying you.
You dug this thread out of the dust to post this piece of fantastic advice? The lad in question will be 21 or so by now, so I expect either they sorted the problem or he died in a fireball.OP?
boyse7en said:
You dug this thread out of the dust to post this piece of fantastic advice? The lad in question will be 21 or so by now, so I expect either they sorted the problem or he died in a fireball.
Just saying lets let kids have some fun. As I said, nothing worse then parents ruining your fun in a car.
mrtwisty said:
tgk300 said:
Just saying lets let kids have some fun. As I said, nothing worse then parents ruining your fun in a car.
You're a fking moron.king moron’ to have made this big breakthrough sooner? I’m just pondering, from an amateur perspective please appreciate, whether this is ‘fking moron’ or possibly ‘full retard? ChocolateFrog said:
boyse7en said:
tgk300 said:
Old thread I know, but if I were you I would just let him do what he likes. Nothing worse than a dad who is babying you.
You dug this thread out of the dust to post this piece of fantastic advice? The lad in question will be 21 or so by now, so I expect either they sorted the problem or he died in a fireball.OP?
Also, they’re a lovely family & the sons (I’ve taught both of them) are great kids & were extremely receptive students.
I think I knackered them out though...
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