RE: Five-door Fiesta ST
Discussion
The issue isn't with offering 5 doors at all - if anything it's commendable because it opens up the model to a wider audience.
The real issue is when manufacturers decide to switch to offering 5 doors "only" on their halo models. The 3 door is always going to appeal to a certain age group not concerned about practicality and concerned only with looks and performance. Then they scale back the styling too in order to appeal to a wider audience still, often bringing the aesthetics in line with the other "cooking spec" models.
I guess that's possibly why you see around 10 Clio 172/182/197/200s for every new-shape Clio. And for every 10 of these you see (probably take you a month to see that many!) 9 of them will have a little DCi badge on the boot, with all the sporting looks of the hot version and an engine which should only appeal to your gran.
The real issue is when manufacturers decide to switch to offering 5 doors "only" on their halo models. The 3 door is always going to appeal to a certain age group not concerned about practicality and concerned only with looks and performance. Then they scale back the styling too in order to appeal to a wider audience still, often bringing the aesthetics in line with the other "cooking spec" models.
I guess that's possibly why you see around 10 Clio 172/182/197/200s for every new-shape Clio. And for every 10 of these you see (probably take you a month to see that many!) 9 of them will have a little DCi badge on the boot, with all the sporting looks of the hot version and an engine which should only appeal to your gran.
I promised myself that if they ever made a 5 door Fiesta ST, I'd buy one! Having young kids means a 3 door isn't practical.
Now it's actually happening it suddenly dawned upon me: it's pushing nearly £20k new (albeit there should be decent discounts and good pcps soon) what happened to the £16.5k launch price? I can't help but think a focus ST would suit my needs better for not much more dosh??
Now it's actually happening it suddenly dawned upon me: it's pushing nearly £20k new (albeit there should be decent discounts and good pcps soon) what happened to the £16.5k launch price? I can't help but think a focus ST would suit my needs better for not much more dosh??
Dion20vt said:
I promised myself that if they ever made a 5 door Fiesta ST, I'd buy one! Having young kids means a 3 door isn't practical.
Now it's actually happening it suddenly dawned upon me: it's pushing nearly £20k new (albeit there should be decent discounts and good pcps soon) what happened to the £16.5k launch price? I can't help but think a focus ST would suit my needs better for not much more dosh??
You can get a 3-door ST2 from "Drive the Deal" for £14.5k new.. still think that's a decent price. Expect the 5-door to be £500 more.Now it's actually happening it suddenly dawned upon me: it's pushing nearly £20k new (albeit there should be decent discounts and good pcps soon) what happened to the £16.5k launch price? I can't help but think a focus ST would suit my needs better for not much more dosh??
C.A.R. said:
The issue isn't with offering 5 doors at all - if anything it's commendable because it opens up the model to a wider audience.
The real issue is when manufacturers decide to switch to offering 5 doors "only" on their halo models. The 3 door is always going to appeal to a certain age group not concerned about practicality and concerned only with looks and performance. Then they scale back the styling too in order to appeal to a wider audience still, often bringing the aesthetics in line with the other "cooking spec" models.
I guess that's possibly why you see around 10 Clio 172/182/197/200s for every new-shape Clio. And for every 10 of these you see (probably take you a month to see that many!) 9 of them will have a little DCi badge on the boot, with all the sporting looks of the hot version and an engine which should only appeal to your gran.
Lol. They make it appeal to a wider audience but the sales are 1/10th? The real issue is when manufacturers decide to switch to offering 5 doors "only" on their halo models. The 3 door is always going to appeal to a certain age group not concerned about practicality and concerned only with looks and performance. Then they scale back the styling too in order to appeal to a wider audience still, often bringing the aesthetics in line with the other "cooking spec" models.
I guess that's possibly why you see around 10 Clio 172/182/197/200s for every new-shape Clio. And for every 10 of these you see (probably take you a month to see that many!) 9 of them will have a little DCi badge on the boot, with all the sporting looks of the hot version and an engine which should only appeal to your gran.
giveablondeabone said:
nunpuncher said:
I thought it would look rubbish. To my surprise I prefer it over the 3 door which to my eyes has always looked like a toddlers version of a Nike air max trainer on wheels.
This......................Absolutely what I have always thought.
GroundEffect said:
C.A.R. said:
The issue isn't with offering 5 doors at all - if anything it's commendable because it opens up the model to a wider audience.
The real issue is when manufacturers decide to switch to offering 5 doors "only" on their halo models. The 3 door is always going to appeal to a certain age group not concerned about practicality and concerned only with looks and performance. Then they scale back the styling too in order to appeal to a wider audience still, often bringing the aesthetics in line with the other "cooking spec" models.
I guess that's possibly why you see around 10 Clio 172/182/197/200s for every new-shape Clio. And for every 10 of these you see (probably take you a month to see that many!) 9 of them will have a little DCi badge on the boot, with all the sporting looks of the hot version and an engine which should only appeal to your gran.
Lol. They make it appeal to a wider audience but the sales are 1/10th? The real issue is when manufacturers decide to switch to offering 5 doors "only" on their halo models. The 3 door is always going to appeal to a certain age group not concerned about practicality and concerned only with looks and performance. Then they scale back the styling too in order to appeal to a wider audience still, often bringing the aesthetics in line with the other "cooking spec" models.
I guess that's possibly why you see around 10 Clio 172/182/197/200s for every new-shape Clio. And for every 10 of these you see (probably take you a month to see that many!) 9 of them will have a little DCi badge on the boot, with all the sporting looks of the hot version and an engine which should only appeal to your gran.
king devastated now. 
On the 3-door, the pillar is behind you, past your shoulder.
On the 5-door, the pillar is to your right (*), not just in your peripheral vision, but exactly where you should be looking at junctions. No wonder some people drive:
a) as if they haven't seen you
b) too close to the steering wheel for comfort.
(*) unless you are shorter in the leg than me.
perhaps I have just got long legs and arms - I can't get comfortable in most 4/5 door cars.
As long as the 3-door option exists, I would buy it over the 5-door version. I appreciate that I am in the minority.
On the 5-door, the pillar is to your right (*), not just in your peripheral vision, but exactly where you should be looking at junctions. No wonder some people drive:
a) as if they haven't seen you
b) too close to the steering wheel for comfort.
(*) unless you are shorter in the leg than me.
perhaps I have just got long legs and arms - I can't get comfortable in most 4/5 door cars.
As long as the 3-door option exists, I would buy it over the 5-door version. I appreciate that I am in the minority.
DelicaL400 said:
That's surprising, I think I've only actually seen one on the road although I suppose as they now look so similar to every other Clio I could've missed some.
It's not if you quoted the whole sentence and not just a snippet.The MK4 Renaultsport Clio is actually selling very well outside of the UK.
DelicaL400 said:
That's surprising, I think I've only actually seen one on the road although I suppose as they now look so similar to every other Clio I could've missed some.
There's 21k ST-1, ST-2 and ST-3s registered in total. There's about 1k of the latest Clio - Renault really cocked up with 5 doors and auto.
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