Really wanted to love a V8 but...
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Pdelamare said:
E63 with 5.5 BiTurbo motor, £800 map and Rado downpipes and you'll have around 700hp and 800ft/lbs of torque.
That'll do you I think, it offers brutal acceleration from no revs.
The majority of people who do those mods seem to go down to Sloane square and do the 20 metre 'attention' sprint. excellent value for money That'll do you I think, it offers brutal acceleration from no revs.
For the same money as a re-map you can buy an old 100C Kart and come away with G-forced damaged ribs, establishing it's the quickest thing you've driven.
oilspill said:
RobM77 said:
I was trying to think of ways for the OP to answer his dilemma. This wouldn't be my route at all!!
the answer, (if you're underwhelmed by a modern V8) is to remove the sound proofing from the bulkhead and bonnet 
I grew up close to Rover V8s , Ford V6s, 70s Porsche 911s, Beetles, Mini Vans, 2CVs, and they were all distinguishable from across the road or drive-by , by their actual engine noises not their exhaust notes.
I recently went to a classic car meeting and there wasn't a Mini or 70s Porsche 911 there that produced their original retro sound. 911s have become too clattery with their after market tubing. Minis with cherry bombs and old Pecos could have been anything with your eyes closed..
Go to a boy racer car meet or supercar sounds London and you cant distinguish models by the engine noise. It's all about enhancing explosions down a large metal tube these days. I can do that in my back yard for pocket money and tell the neighbours have a Merc or Lambo out there with the flaps open .
I realise that, but I was trying to respond to the OP. He doesn't sound like the type for a classic car.RobM77 said:
I realise that, but I was trying to respond to the OP. He doesn't sound like the type for a classic car.
) ) Interested that you had the Mustang GT in your original list of underwhelming V8s.
I waited a year for mine and the dealership had me in to test drive their demo to keep me interested.
I too, felt underwhelmed but I put it down to it being an auto.
I've had my manual for 9 months now and love it. Pretty raw and basic but silly fast. Just needs a decent exhaust.
The one you tested, did you have it in Sport+? Different animal in that mode and throttle inputs are much more direct.
I waited a year for mine and the dealership had me in to test drive their demo to keep me interested.
I too, felt underwhelmed but I put it down to it being an auto.
I've had my manual for 9 months now and love it. Pretty raw and basic but silly fast. Just needs a decent exhaust.
The one you tested, did you have it in Sport+? Different animal in that mode and throttle inputs are much more direct.
oilspill said:
The majority of people who do those mods seem to go down to Sloane square and do the 20 metre 'attention' sprint. excellent value for money
For the same money as a re-map you can buy an old 100C Kart and come away with G-forced damaged ribs, establishing it's the quickest thing you've driven.
Hey don't judge all of us AMG owners, they are the ones that embarrass the rest of us haha. For the same money as a re-map you can buy an old 100C Kart and come away with G-forced damaged ribs, establishing it's the quickest thing you've driven.
Alex_225 said:
oilspill said:
The majority of people who do those mods seem to go down to Sloane square and do the 20 metre 'attention' sprint. excellent value for money
For the same money as a re-map you can buy an old 100C Kart and come away with G-forced damaged ribs, establishing it's the quickest thing you've driven.
Hey don't judge all of us AMG owners, they are the ones that embarrass the rest of us haha. For the same money as a re-map you can buy an old 100C Kart and come away with G-forced damaged ribs, establishing it's the quickest thing you've driven.
AMGJocky said:
philmots said:
XFR or F10 M5?
I love linear power, not keen on turbo elasticity. The supercharged XFR engine is unreal, but I am biased.
My next car shall be an XKR.. can't wait to experience the engine I love linear power, not keen on turbo elasticity. The supercharged XFR engine is unreal, but I am biased.
mike74 said:
People talk about turbo lag like it's a bad thing but I actually prefer it... nothing, nothing, nothing then suddenly one big kick up the backside when the turbo spools up! Much more exciting than a constant linear power curve.
Agreed but you have to be in the mood for it, which isn't usually at 7:30am on the way to work. I just want to push the pedal down in 6th and get past all the diesel goons with no delays.I remember when I had a hot turbo hatch a few years back, I sampled an E39 M5 as a potential upgrade, but it just didn't feel 400hp/370lbft fast at all! It felt more brisk than rapid to me. Beautiful handling though.
SuperVM said:
I've always wondered what the B7 RS4 with 4WD is like with a high-revving linear NA engine. To me, that feels like a boring combination, but it can't be given how well regarded they are.
Having owned a FI car prior, it has taken some getting used to; the NA V8 that is. There isn't a savagery like a Impreza/Lancer Evo for example but nonetheless a very competent B road car. Certainly not boring by any stretch of imagination. The noise is incredibly addictive and is also what first attracted me to it.The problem with the current breed of V engines is generally the auto box they're coupled to. Ruins any enjoyment and renders it pointless IMO.
jamieduff1981 said:
AMGJocky said:
philmots said:
XFR or F10 M5?
I love linear power, not keen on turbo elasticity. The supercharged XFR engine is unreal, but I am biased.
My next car shall be an XKR.. can't wait to experience the engine I love linear power, not keen on turbo elasticity. The supercharged XFR engine is unreal, but I am biased.
oilspill said:
The majority of people who do those mods seem to go down to Sloane square and do the 20 metre 'attention' sprint. excellent value for money
For the same money as a re-map you can buy an old 100C Kart and come away with G-forced damaged ribs, establishing it's the quickest thing you've driven.
Don't be silly. For the same money as a re-map you can buy an old 100C Kart and come away with G-forced damaged ribs, establishing it's the quickest thing you've driven.
It's not "most", it's a handful, and what are you talking about re the kart? OP wants a V8, not a kart.
AMGJocky said:
jamieduff1981 said:
AMGJocky said:
philmots said:
XFR or F10 M5?
I love linear power, not keen on turbo elasticity. The supercharged XFR engine is unreal, but I am biased.
My next car shall be an XKR.. can't wait to experience the engine I love linear power, not keen on turbo elasticity. The supercharged XFR engine is unreal, but I am biased.
1st gear on mine is hopeless. It'll spin wheels in a straight line in 2nd on warm dry days and you'll be giving other road users something to watch if you push the pedal a long way in 3rd in a straight line (e.g. accelerating away from a d/c roundabout).
It's fine, really, but Jaguar's electronics allow more leeway before intervening than Mercedes typically do so you can make a fool of yourself with everything switched on (which mine always is) if youre lead footed (which I sometimes am). I haven't tried, but I doubt they'd let me spin the car, but it's easy to get far enough sideways to cross over a lane or fall off the road so although a playful setup, it's not for the inexperienced IMHO
Well, there is the case that not all V8's are equal. My Audi A8 and Jaguar XJ8 was a good illustration of this. The Audi's 4.2 was smooth and felt very potent. The car always felt urgent and the linear power just kept going. That was 310bhp. The Jaguar had a 300bhp 4.0 but it never felt quick, just adequate. That was also a smooth and linear engine, but it never had the immediacy of the A8.
Forced induction can do funny things to the senses though. A colleague of mine swapped her RS5 for a CLA45 AMG recently, and the CLA feels miles faster, despite the on-paper stats confirming that it isn't. She's not afraid to hold a gear either, so it's not like she short-shifted the RS5 into second place. A friend of mine has a 123d, and that feels pretty fast despite only being about 200bhp. It's the immediacy with which it piles on the power that gives it that sensation and fools the arse dyno.
Overall though, since I started riding big bikes, I've never had that 'holy s
t' feeling of power from a car. They give you incredible power but with a very linear delivery (or until it comes on cam at the top end). I imagine a single seater with aero kit would bring that feeling back though.
Forced induction can do funny things to the senses though. A colleague of mine swapped her RS5 for a CLA45 AMG recently, and the CLA feels miles faster, despite the on-paper stats confirming that it isn't. She's not afraid to hold a gear either, so it's not like she short-shifted the RS5 into second place. A friend of mine has a 123d, and that feels pretty fast despite only being about 200bhp. It's the immediacy with which it piles on the power that gives it that sensation and fools the arse dyno.
Overall though, since I started riding big bikes, I've never had that 'holy s
t' feeling of power from a car. They give you incredible power but with a very linear delivery (or until it comes on cam at the top end). I imagine a single seater with aero kit would bring that feeling back though.I think there's a difference between fast, powerful and fun. XFRs are traction limited on all but the driest of roads and they are heavy. In 90% of cases a Golf R will be as fast in the dry and faster in the wet but it will be no fun and sound like a food mixer as it does it. For the best V8 noise I'd say go American.
jamieduff1981 said:
AMGJocky said:
jamieduff1981 said:
AMGJocky said:
philmots said:
XFR or F10 M5?
I love linear power, not keen on turbo elasticity. The supercharged XFR engine is unreal, but I am biased.
My next car shall be an XKR.. can't wait to experience the engine I love linear power, not keen on turbo elasticity. The supercharged XFR engine is unreal, but I am biased.
1st gear on mine is hopeless. It'll spin wheels in a straight line in 2nd on warm dry days and you'll be giving other road users something to watch if you push the pedal a long way in 3rd in a straight line (e.g. accelerating away from a d/c roundabout).
It's fine, really, but Jaguar's electronics allow more leeway before intervening than Mercedes typically do so you can make a fool of yourself with everything switched on (which mine always is) if youre lead footed (which I sometimes am). I haven't tried, but I doubt they'd let me spin the car, but it's easy to get far enough sideways to cross over a lane or fall off the road so although a playful setup, it's not for the inexperienced IMHO
I know a chap who has an XKR and it really does get a move on when up and running. The noise makes me melt! Not wanting to hijack any threads here, but how do you find the gearbox in the XFR-S? I'm assuming it's had an update or two since a 2011/12 XKR.
Loyly said:
Well, there is the case that not all V8's are equal. My Audi A8 and Jaguar XJ8 was a good illustration of this. The Audi's 4.2 was smooth and felt very potent. The car always felt urgent and the linear power just kept going. That was 310bhp. The Jaguar had a 300bhp 4.0 but it never felt quick, just adequate. That was also a smooth and linear engine, but it never had the immediacy of the A8.
Forced induction can do funny things to the senses though. A colleague of mine swapped her RS5 for a CLA45 AMG recently, and the CLA feels miles faster, despite the on-paper stats confirming that it isn't. She's not afraid to hold a gear either, so it's not like she short-shifted the RS5 into second place. A friend of mine has a 123d, and that feels pretty fast despite only being about 200bhp. It's the immediacy with which it piles on the power that gives it that sensation and fools the arse dyno.
Overall though, since I started riding big bikes, I've never had that 'holy st' feeling of power from a car. They give you incredible power but with a very linear delivery (or until it comes on cam at the top end). I imagine a single seater with aero kit would bring that feeling back though.
Same things applies to bikes though. I used to have more fun and go faster on our little VFR 400 than I did on my litre sports bike because you can ride it flat out almost everywhere, even around corners. Work out how often you pin the throttle on a 200hp bike and keep it there. Back to cars, a V8 MX5 sounds fun, Dynotorque make these too! Forced induction can do funny things to the senses though. A colleague of mine swapped her RS5 for a CLA45 AMG recently, and the CLA feels miles faster, despite the on-paper stats confirming that it isn't. She's not afraid to hold a gear either, so it's not like she short-shifted the RS5 into second place. A friend of mine has a 123d, and that feels pretty fast despite only being about 200bhp. It's the immediacy with which it piles on the power that gives it that sensation and fools the arse dyno.
Overall though, since I started riding big bikes, I've never had that 'holy s
t' feeling of power from a car. They give you incredible power but with a very linear delivery (or until it comes on cam at the top end). I imagine a single seater with aero kit would bring that feeling back though.Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 27th September 18:56
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