Really wanted to love a V8 but...

[oilspill]

Pdelamare said:

Don't be silly.

It's not "most", it's a handful, and what are you talking about re the kart? OP wants a V8, not a kart.

I was replying to the suggestion to the OP to spend £800 on a re-map and fit tuned downpipes. I would say more than a handful of the now tuned Mercs are going to be used it to show off,
but I cant think of any road in the Uk that woulds warrant the advise given, except the Sloane square scene. Hence I offered a far more usable and exhilarating alternative incase the OP already had his hand in his wallet.

[oilspill]

Alex_225 said:

Hey don't judge all of us AMG owners, they are the ones that embarrass the rest of us haha.

sorry I was judging the ones who feel that model needs an £800 remap and tuned downpipes, which narrows it down a bit I was waiting for that poster to suggest a Camo paint job

[gwc1997]

So many choices for 40k
TVRs. Maserati Gran a Turismo. Aston Martin Vantage (or DB9 if you're willing to have a V12), Jag XKR. Smaller engines you can consider Nobles. Lotus Elise/Exige

[Pdelamare]

oilspill said:

I was replying to the suggestion to the OP to spend £800 on a re-map and fit tuned downpipes. I would say more than a handful of the now tuned Mercs are going to be used it to show off,
but I cant think of any road in the Uk that woulds warrant the advise given, except the Sloane square scene. Hence I offered a far more usable and exhilarating alternative incase the OP already had his hand in his wallet.

Clearly you have no clue at all about this topic.

[Pothole]

croyde said:

I get more of a kick out of my 20bhp Vespa than i did on my 100bhp Triumph.

70mph on the Vespa is terrifying yet exhilarating

at 09.47 croyde said:

Need a bike again.

[manracer]

Thanks for the replies guys, lots of useful opinion.

More than a few suggestions of car/xkr - I do like them and may well go for a test drive in one.

I did, for my sins, go for a spin in a friends turbo'd golf r today, it certainly didn't feel slow, but the synthesised sound would drive me crazy.

A few friends have suggested the s4 3.0 supercharged. May look into that.

Regarding the maserati GT, well the interior disappointed me, considering how nice it looks outside it was just a let down.

I'm finding myself drawn towards the v8 m5 and the gtr, though repair bills concern me somewhat.

My friends 2013 Cayman s send to feel quick and that's NA so I'm a little confused.

[oilspill]

Pdelamare said:

Clearly you have no clue at all about this topic.

So you're the one Sniff Petrol refer to...

The OP reads like Dear Deidre. So he misses his Turbos but wants a V8. What kind of qualifications do I need to claim re-mapping, pipe changing to achieve 700BHP is an OTT way of enjoying a V8?
The Lotus Esprit seems like the least silly suggestion by comparison.

[croyde]

Pothole said:

croyde said:

I get more of a kick out of my 20bhp Vespa than i did on my 100bhp Triumph.

70mph on the Vespa is terrifying yet exhilarating

at 09.47 croyde said:

Need a bike again.

Busted.

[bigkeeko]

Ozzie Osmond said:

A "premature ejaculation driver" will never be satisfied with a proper performance car.

Reminded me of being in a friends car back in the day. A Lancia modded Delta HF turbo. Boost , boost and more boost. The car felt mental, like a wild animal struggling for grip and torque steering all over the shop. The fastest car in the world we were in until a Vauxhall Senator 3.0 24v sailed past with a guy in the back reading the paper.

Big naturally aspirated V engines. They go quicker than they feel.

[ILoveMondeo]

manracer said:

Thanks for the replies guys, lots of useful opinion.

More than a few suggestions of car/xkr - I do like them and may well go for a test drive in one.

I did, for my sins, go for a spin in a friends turbo'd golf r today, it certainly didn't feel slow, but the synthesised sound would drive me crazy.

A few friends have suggested the s4 3.0 supercharged. May look into that.

Regarding the maserati GT, well the interior disappointed me, considering how nice it looks outside it was just a let down.

I'm finding myself drawn towards the v8 m5 and the gtr, though repair bills concern me somewhat.

My friends 2013 Cayman s send to feel quick and that's NA so I'm a little confused.

If you think you can afford one, be sure to try the R-S versions of the XK/XF as well as just the R.

It's "only" another 50ish horses, and a bit more torque too of course, but to me they felt very different.

The RS sounded better too. I also prefer the slightly more aggressive styling.

[jamieduff1981]

AMGJocky said:

jamieduff1981 said:

AMGJocky said:

jamieduff1981 said:

AMGJocky said:

philmots said:

XFR or F10 M5?

I love linear power, not keen on turbo elasticity. The supercharged XFR engine is unreal, but I am biased.

My next car shall be an XKR.. can't wait to experience the engine

It's a really good engine, but don't go expecting Saturn V - over hype only leads to underwhelming first encounters. It's strong, powerful, reliable, better on fuel than it ought to be and offers good throttle response. Its "problem" if it has one is that it can increase torque to the rear wheels faster than you can load them up, so aggressive use of the loud pedal will result in tyre smoke and large yaw angles appearing quickly. I happen to quite like that about it though - you need to respect it, which keeps it interesting and entertaining.

Having noticed you owning the same engine albeit it of a higher tune (I think?), I was planning on asking you at some point. The fact it's happy to light up the rears excites me, so I can't wait. Will be seeing out the winter in my AMG and then moving over to the Jag V8. Then I just need to make it sound better than mine!

It's slightly higher tune but I'd struggle to tell the difference to be honest and in my family car it at best partially offsets the weight difference of mine against the alloy body XKR

1st gear on mine is hopeless. It'll spin wheels in a straight line in 2nd on warm dry days and you'll be giving other road users something to watch if you push the pedal a long way in 3rd in a straight line (e.g. accelerating away from a d/c roundabout).

It's fine, really, but Jaguar's electronics allow more leeway before intervening than Mercedes typically do so you can make a fool of yourself with everything switched on (which mine always is) if youre lead footed (which I sometimes am). I haven't tried, but I doubt they'd let me spin the car, but it's easy to get far enough sideways to cross over a lane or fall off the road so although a playful setup, it's not for the inexperienced IMHO

Sounds like it can be a bit of a handful if not treated with respect. Just how I like it! I know a chap who has an XKR and it really does get a move on when up and running. The noise makes me melt!
Not wanting to hijack any threads here, but how do you find the gearbox in the XFR-S? I'm assuming it's had an update or two since a 2011/12 XKR.

The gearbox is a different unit to the XKR's. The X150 XKR had the ZF 6 speed until the end, whereas the XF received the newer 8 speed unit from 2011 onwards. The XFR-S received the "Quickshift" version of it they'd developed for the F-Type (as well as the F-Type's steering rack, XKR-S GT's front uprights & hubs, active diff etc). It's seamless when driven gently or quite sharp when changing up manually without lifting the loud pedal. I don't actually know what the "Quickshift" means in terms of material changes, but in full-on dhead mode it's very aggressive for a torque converter auto. It's quick and objectively good, but if I'm honest it has 2 gears too many and deciding to "go manual" when braking for a corner from cruising speed involves 4 or 5 down changes to get the right noises - although as Wormus said it's traction limited anyway so really you're just making V8 sounds for the hell of it, which I sometimes do anyway. It's certainly a much faster gearbox on change up and down than the ZF 6 speed I have in my old S-Type. Given that the XKR even with the 6 speed has paddles, I don't think you'll be left wanting except for a 3rd pedal and a gearstick occasionally. Even if you don't end up in the gear you wanted, it rarely matters with that engine. It's as happy pulling from 2000rpm as it is from 6000rpm.

[Mike_Mac]

jamieduff1981 said:

The gearbox is a different unit to the XKR's. The X150 XKR had the ZF 6 speed until the end, whereas the XF received the newer 8 speed unit from 2011 onwards. The XFR-S received the "Quickshift" version of it they'd developed for the F-Type (as well as the F-Type's steering rack, XKR-S GT's front uprights & hubs, active diff etc). It's seamless when driven gently or quite sharp when changing up manually without lifting the loud pedal. I don't actually know what the "Quickshift" means in terms of material changes, but in full-on dhead mode it's very aggressive for a torque converter auto. It's quick and objectively good, but if I'm honest it has 2 gears too many and deciding to "go manual" when braking for a corner from cruising speed involves 4 or 5 down changes to get the right noises - although as Wormus said it's traction limited anyway so really you're just making V8 sounds for the hell of it, which I sometimes do anyway. It's certainly a much faster gearbox on change up and down than the ZF 6 speed I have in my old S-Type. Given that the XKR even with the 6 speed has paddles, I don't think you'll be left wanting except for a 3rd pedal and a gearstick occasionally. Even if you don't end up in the gear you wanted, it rarely matters with that engine. It's as happy pulling from 2000rpm as it is from 6000rpm.

From a ZF-6 Speed XKR perspective I can second all of that, although the 5.0 adds a lot to where the 4.2 leaves off (still bloody quick though). As Jamie has said, 6 gears is simpler to paddle through than 8 (I have tried the 8-sp - it's good, but there are a lot more changes required on manual).

Objectively, whether paddles or 'S' mode it'll be quicker (normal driving) than any equivalent manual, less any PH driving Gods, obviously, but subjectively I do miss a third pedal sometimes.

[AMGJocky]

I had no idea they were different boxes between the XK and XF, thanks for the info! I guess I better get on and test one

[anonymous-user]

Mike_Mac said:

From a ZF-6 Speed XKR perspective I can second all of that, although the 5.0 adds a lot to where the 4.2 leaves off (still bloody quick though). As Jamie has said, 6 gears is simpler to paddle through than 8 (I have tried the 8-sp - it's good, but there are a lot more changes required on manual).

Objectively, whether paddles or 'S' mode it'll be quicker (normal driving) than any equivalent manual, less any PH driving Gods, obviously, but subjectively I do miss a third pedal sometimes.

Same 8-sp gearbox as my Discovery 4, complete with paddles. Don't use them much though!

[declasm]

swerni said:

Or leave the LS7 in the car it was designed for.
It really doesn't need turbo charging, other than bragging rights, it's utterly pointless

Apologies for offending your sensibilities!

My idea was based on the OP saying he was underwhelmed by NA V8s, AMG 63 et al and missed turbo boost. I think a car that can manage a 9 second quarter mile would certainly fit his criteria and not be underwhelming.

The LS engined FD RX-7 is one of the 21st century's great engine swaps and surely the crate that the mass produced GM engine comes in isn't a better home

[Herbs]

manracer said:

Thanks for the replies guys, lots of useful opinion.

More than a few suggestions of car/xkr - I do like them and may well go for a test drive in one.

I did, for my sins, go for a spin in a friends turbo'd golf r today, it certainly didn't feel slow, but the synthesised sound would drive me crazy.

A few friends have suggested the s4 3.0 supercharged. May look into that.

Regarding the maserati GT, well the interior disappointed me, considering how nice it looks outside it was just a let down.

I'm finding myself drawn towards the v8 m5 and the gtr, though repair bills concern me somewhat.

My friends 2013 Cayman s send to feel quick and that's NA so I'm a little confused.

Simple - you are looking at V8's as a pigeon hole where all V8's get put - there is a BIG difference between a V8 sports car and a saloon with a big engine.

Decide what you like in a car and try and choose that way rather than numbers

I currently own 2 V8's although personally love the character of a straight six

[Pothole]

croyde said:

Pothole said:

croyde said:

I get more of a kick out of my 20bhp Vespa than i did on my 100bhp Triumph.

70mph on the Vespa is terrifying yet exhilarating

at 09.47 croyde said:

Need a bike again.

Busted.

he he he...

[Smokey32]

Did I read that right?

You tried a C63 and you didn't like it? And you used to own a Seat Leon and a Golf. And were talking just the engine here.....

Best troll ever. LMAO.

[Jamesgt]

Smokey32 said:

Did I read that right?

You tried a C63 and you didn't like it? And you used to own a Seat Leon and a Golf. And were talking just the engine here.....

Best troll ever. LMAO.

A guy from work who is supposedly into his cars told me his mates civic type R with just under 300bhp is quicker than my c63. Then he asked if I'd had the DPF done. That's a troll!

To be fair I probably had more fun in my NA VX220 and my old 380bhp Evo felt more frantic. I can see where the OP is coming from. The C63 just gains speed with little fuss. The noise cannot be matched IMO though.

[bigkeeko]

Most car owners = Sh*te talk.