Shimon Peres

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Biker 1

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7,724 posts

119 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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RIP: One of the greats, together with Yitzhak Rabin.

I was on a Kibbutz when Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated - that part of the world could have been sorted out by these leaders; I fear the current 'quality' of leadership, on all sides, will leave a peaceful solution a long way off....

audidoody

8,597 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Stand by for 10 pages of "baby killer" comments. Popcorn bagged and ready.

Biker 1

Original Poster:

7,724 posts

119 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Interesting article summarising his life:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4860751,...

Cobnapint

8,625 posts

151 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Sad news and all that, but answer me this. Why are all the foreign dignitaries at the funeral wearing small Jewish caps?

Have they all converted or are they forbidden from attending as 'themselves'....?

eharding

13,674 posts

284 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Cobnapint said:
Sad news and all that, but answer me this. Why are all the foreign dignitaries at the funeral wearing small Jewish caps?

Have they all converted or are they forbidden from attending as 'themselves'....?
Simple mark of respect? A CofE funeral will see most men wearing a dark suit, and probably a dark or black tie.

At Jewish funerals, a skullcap is in order.

Anything you'd like us to wear at your funeral?

Trabi601

4,865 posts

95 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Cobnapint said:
Sad news and all that, but answer me this. Why are all the foreign dignitaries at the funeral wearing small Jewish caps?

Have they all converted or are they forbidden from attending as 'themselves'....?
rolleyes

Cobnapint

8,625 posts

151 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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eharding said:
Cobnapint said:
Sad news and all that, but answer me this. Why are all the foreign dignitaries at the funeral wearing small Jewish caps?

Have they all converted or are they forbidden from attending as 'themselves'....?
Simple mark of respect? A CofE funeral will see most men wearing a dark suit, and probably a dark or black tie.

At Jewish funerals, a skullcap is in order.

Anything you'd like us to wear at your funeral?
I was christened as a kid, but I wouldn't expect everybody that attended who followed different religions to come with a holy cross around their necks.

I think it's a bit fake. Surely it's enough to attend the funeral in a suit and make a speech in remembrance of the guy, like Obama did today - but wear the cap as well...? Nah, sorry.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Cobnapint said:
I was christened as a kid, but I wouldn't expect everybody that attended who followed different religions to come with a holy cross around their necks.

I think it's a bit fake. Surely it's enough to attend the funeral in a suit and make a speech in remembrance of the guy, like Obama did today - but wear the cap as well...? Nah, sorry.
Just as well you weren't invited I guess.

eharding

13,674 posts

284 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Cobnapint said:
eharding said:
Cobnapint said:
Sad news and all that, but answer me this. Why are all the foreign dignitaries at the funeral wearing small Jewish caps?

Have they all converted or are they forbidden from attending as 'themselves'....?
Simple mark of respect? A CofE funeral will see most men wearing a dark suit, and probably a dark or black tie.

At Jewish funerals, a skullcap is in order.

Anything you'd like us to wear at your funeral?
I was christened as a kid, but I wouldn't expect everybody that attended who followed different religions to come with a holy cross around their necks.

I think it's a bit fake. Surely it's enough to attend the funeral in a suit and make a speech in remembrance of the guy, like Obama did today - but wear the cap as well...? Nah, sorry.
So, you've got some form of hang-up about head gear?

What's the difference between taking the trouble to wear a suit vs. wearing a bit of additional cloth on your head?

You're making yourself out to be some form of astoundingly parochial bumpkin here. Just so you know.

As for me, I'm stipulating everyone wears an enormous Sombrero and a huge grin at my funeral.

Cobnapint

8,625 posts

151 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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eharding said:
So, you've got some form of hang-up about head gear?

What's the difference between taking the trouble to wear a suit vs. wearing a bit of additional cloth on your head?
The hang up is - if you follow the Jewish faith, by all means - wear the head gear.

If you don't follow the Jewish faith - don't wear the head gear.

The black suit and tie aren't religious symbols of Christianity or any faith for that matter - the 'Kippah' (as I've just found out what it's called) most certainly is.

Cobnapint

8,625 posts

151 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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eharding said:
As for me, I'm stipulating everyone wears an enormous Sombrero and a huge grin at my funeral.
biglaugh

motco

15,941 posts

246 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Biker 1 said:
RIP: One of the greats, together with Yitzhak Rabin.

I was on a Kibbutz when Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated - that part of the world could have been sorted out by these leaders; I fear the current 'quality' of leadership, on all sides, will leave a peaceful solution a long way off....
Anwar Sadat is also worth a mention...

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

245 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Cobnapint said:
The hang up is - if you follow the Jewish faith, by all means - wear the head gear.

If you don't follow the Jewish faith - don't wear the head gear.

The black suit and tie aren't religious symbols of Christianity or any faith for that matter - the 'Kippah' (as I've just found out what it's called) most certainly is.
I am inclined to agree.
I have been to several funerals in Catholic churches/chapels and while the adherents have kneeled at certain stages and chanted whatever they chant, I have remained seated and quiet during these stages which seems to be perfectly acceptable.

Cobnapint

8,625 posts

151 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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If I remember rightly, when ever foreign leaders show up here for a funeral like, say, Princess Diana's, non of them show up clutching a cross, a bible, or anything to do with Christianity whatsoever. And quite rightly too.

In fact half of them show up in their national dress!

motco

15,941 posts

246 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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If you visit the Western Wall in the old city of Jerusalem you're given a cardboard kippah (yamulka?) to wear while you do so. Why object?

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

137 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Would it be okay for me to ask any Jews attending my funeral to not wear the skullcap?

I'm guessing not.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

137 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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audidoody said:
Stand by for 10 pages of "baby killer" comments. Popcorn bagged and ready.
You must be very disappointed.

Camlet

1,132 posts

149 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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The Kippar I understand is to show respect to God. By placing something on your head you're indicating you are less than Him. I'm not one for religion per se but since there's meant to be only one God, I guess wearing the Kippar is not necessarily exclusive, or dogmatic.

As for Peres, he was an intelligent pragmatist; a feature sadly lacking in most leaders of all persuasions, especially in the Middle East.

Not about Peres, but I recommend Stephen Kinzer's book "All The Shah's Men: An American coup and the roots of Middle East Terror".

Published in 2003, it's a brilliant and sombre look into one of the most troubled parts of the globe and an essential context for any understanding of the role of the West.

eharding

13,674 posts

284 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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motco said:
If you visit the Western Wall in the old city of Jerusalem you're given a cardboard kippah (yamulka?) to wear while you do so. Why object?
One of these?

Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

102 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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motco said:
Biker 1 said:
RIP: One of the greats, together with Yitzhak Rabin.

I was on a Kibbutz when Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated - that part of the world could have been sorted out by these leaders; I fear the current 'quality' of leadership, on all sides, will leave a peaceful solution a long way off....
Anwar Sadat is also worth a mention...
Yes indeed, two brave, dedicated leaders, murdered by their "own" extremists.