RE: Land Rover Discovery - full details
Discussion
OMG! I feel really quite sick at the non-centred and hence non-symmetrical rear. I'm not kidding I wouldn't buy one on the basis of that. I really wanted a Discovery Sport, but couldn't bring myself to buy one of those either because of the weedy engine. What is it with Land Rover - great in so many ways but with fatal flaws (to me).
GCH said:
gizlaroc said:
I couldn't buy one because I couldn't be in it knowing that rear number plate was part of the design....
My OCD meter just went off the chart 
Did it go off the cahrt with the last one then?
I'm not saying it works or not...I want to see it in the metal, but obvious aesthetic link is obvious...
Quickmoose said:
Did it go off the cahrt with the last one then?
I'm not saying it works or not...I want to see it in the metal, but obvious aesthetic link is obvious...
You could rationalise the reason for the offset plate on the Disco 3/4 due to the stepped window design......whereas this one is done for no particular reason - so style over substance.
Quickmoose said:
Did it go off the cahrt with the last one then?
I'm not saying it works or not...I want to see it in the metal, but obvious aesthetic link is obvious...
The older variant also left space to potentially accommodate a spare wheel on the tailgate, which this new one wouldn't - not unless you wanted to obscure the plate & lights at any rate
It just looks.....weird.
Edited by GCH on Wednesday 28th September 22:18
brickwall said:
Like it. My parents had a Disco3 (great car), this looks like a good next step on.
However they’ve definitely got an engine conundrum. The 3 litre is not worth going for - an extra 18hp over the 2-litre just isn't worth it, especially when you account for the extra weight.
Why don't they fit the 300 bhp 3 litre diesel - as in the Range Rover Sport (and other parts of the JLR portfolio)? Can't help thinking it might be because it'd be too close for comfort to the RRS' in straight-line performance, whilst being £10-15k cheaper.
Don't forget that this is a truck. BHP isn't all that important. It's torque that matters. They don't say what the torque is on the 2L but I would suspect there to be a more significant gap between it and the 3L in that regard. However they’ve definitely got an engine conundrum. The 3 litre is not worth going for - an extra 18hp over the 2-litre just isn't worth it, especially when you account for the extra weight.
Why don't they fit the 300 bhp 3 litre diesel - as in the Range Rover Sport (and other parts of the JLR portfolio)? Can't help thinking it might be because it'd be too close for comfort to the RRS' in straight-line performance, whilst being £10-15k cheaper.
Yup. I'm sure they don't want the Disco brand getting the same drag/traffic light times as the RRS.
DonkeyApple said:
Don't forget that this is a truck. BHP isn't all that important. It's torque that matters. They don't say what the torque is on the 2L but I would suspect there to be a more significant gap between it and the 3L in that regard.
Yup. I'm sure they don't want the Disco brand getting the same drag/traffic light times as the RRS.
It's not a truck any more though is it?? It's lost its separate chassis....and its gained the looks of the rest of the range...so the decision to limit its performance is blatantly a marketing one....Yup. I'm sure they don't want the Disco brand getting the same drag/traffic light times as the RRS.
dealmaker said:
ben5575 said:
How much better does that look than the new one?!
Part of the charm of the Disco was always that it clearly wasn't a RRS. Whilst not exactly anonymous, it wasn't footballer and benefitted to some extent of being classless like the Defender. Unlike the new one.
Part of the charm of the Disco was always that it clearly wasn't a RRS. Whilst not exactly anonymous, it wasn't footballer and benefitted to some extent of being classless like the Defender. Unlike the new one.
In short, the D4 generally looks like if someone started a fight with it it would just stand there getting punched, not really caring and then when the opposition was exhausted, would just wander off bored. Conversely, this one looks a bit like a Tarquin in Clapham who'll s
t his pants and sprint if he saw a Brixtonian walking his way. From the few video clips that have been posted it should be better all round than the D4, whether that is on/off road performance, stowage capacity or towing assistance. If it actually delivers on the claims made then it will succeed. It appears to incorporate several neat and useful features that are likely to appeal to families on the move or out for the day. Subject to actually seeing and driving one I will almost certainly be in the market for a 4cylinder/2 litre version. The worst part was the underwhelming pre-launch event they streamed from Paris - the new Discovery deserved better.
dealmaker said:
samro said:
Love my current Disco - lovely car. Slightly disappointing maybe but it could have been worse. Was worried it would look closer to a pumped up Disco Sport - don't think those are the best looking, personally.
Engine range a bit old fashioned. Would swap for a plug in hybrid as my commute would suit it perfectly. Shame!
Eh?...it looks exactly like a pumped up Discovery Sport (i.e FUGLY) - order being cancelled tomorrow.....Engine range a bit old fashioned. Would swap for a plug in hybrid as my commute would suit it perfectly. Shame!
I'll be cancelling too.
I'll just keep the D4 a bit longer, it's a great car.
dealmaker said:
DonkeyApple said:
Don't forget that this is a truck. BHP isn't all that important. It's torque that matters. They don't say what the torque is on the 2L but I would suspect there to be a more significant gap between it and the 3L in that regard.
Yup. I'm sure they don't want the Disco brand getting the same drag/traffic light times as the RRS.
It's not a truck any more though is it?? It's lost its separate chassis....and its gained the looks of the rest of the range...so the decision to limit its performance is blatantly a marketing one....Yup. I'm sure they don't want the Disco brand getting the same drag/traffic light times as the RRS.
DonkeyApple said:
brickwall said:
Like it. My parents had a Disco3 (great car), this looks like a good next step on.
However they’ve definitely got an engine conundrum. The 3 litre is not worth going for - an extra 18hp over the 2-litre just isn't worth it, especially when you account for the extra weight.
Why don't they fit the 300 bhp 3 litre diesel - as in the Range Rover Sport (and other parts of the JLR portfolio)? Can't help thinking it might be because it'd be too close for comfort to the RRS' in straight-line performance, whilst being £10-15k cheaper.
Don't forget that this is a truck. BHP isn't all that important. It's torque that matters. They don't say what the torque is on the 2L but I would suspect there to be a more significant gap between it and the 3L in that regard. However they’ve definitely got an engine conundrum. The 3 litre is not worth going for - an extra 18hp over the 2-litre just isn't worth it, especially when you account for the extra weight.
Why don't they fit the 300 bhp 3 litre diesel - as in the Range Rover Sport (and other parts of the JLR portfolio)? Can't help thinking it might be because it'd be too close for comfort to the RRS' in straight-line performance, whilst being £10-15k cheaper.
Yup. I'm sure they don't want the Disco brand getting the same drag/traffic light times as the RRS.
They'll sell like hot cakes and nowhere more so than the inclement barren wilderness of North London. Belsize Park was absolute gridlock as I cycled to work this morning. The culprits - two mums who'd got their respective tanks (Discovery and Macan) wedged in opposing directions on one of the double car lined streets near the local nursery. At least little Timmy and Tamara could breath in all the diesel fumes in complete safety in the back. Rant over!
Torn on this one.
I like the better off road ability but the front and back bumpers look ungainly and sit too low so will pick up knocks easily.
I'll bet it comes with stupid sized wheels like the L405 so getting a decent tyre on it will be interesting.
No split tailgate is a HUGE loss, it's a fantastic feature on my D3 and the general Tonka toy/van like ability is great, comfy enough but still hugely practical and hard wearing.
This looks a bit too posh and has lost a a bit of the hard wearing ability of the old model.
Engine wise, the 3.0 will have similar torque to the current model of 442 lbft so it should shift and having lost a fair bit of weight, which has always been a handicap of the 3/4 model. It should be better to drive, give better mpg etc.
Like the D3/4 it will look great in some colours and horrible in others.
Will watch how prices go for a HSE Luxury for the future. I like it enough to consider it once day.
I like the better off road ability but the front and back bumpers look ungainly and sit too low so will pick up knocks easily.
I'll bet it comes with stupid sized wheels like the L405 so getting a decent tyre on it will be interesting.
No split tailgate is a HUGE loss, it's a fantastic feature on my D3 and the general Tonka toy/van like ability is great, comfy enough but still hugely practical and hard wearing.
This looks a bit too posh and has lost a a bit of the hard wearing ability of the old model.
Engine wise, the 3.0 will have similar torque to the current model of 442 lbft so it should shift and having lost a fair bit of weight, which has always been a handicap of the 3/4 model. It should be better to drive, give better mpg etc.
Like the D3/4 it will look great in some colours and horrible in others.
Will watch how prices go for a HSE Luxury for the future. I like it enough to consider it once day.
Why do journalists constantly have to fall back on the hackneyed "let's criticise a 4x4 for having gadgets/being comfortable etc". Is it because they don't have kids
If I'm a farmer and I need a hardcore off-roader I'll buy a defender (or I would when production restarts).
But Discoverys are bought by people who want a big 7-seater with the need to occasionally go off road (in my case muddy rugby fields). So of course, given I have kids, things like USB ports are important as well as the off-road ability
Come on PH you're better than this; you don't need to be patronising
Ps it looks a bit ugly, might keep the D4 a bit longer too
If I'm a farmer and I need a hardcore off-roader I'll buy a defender (or I would when production restarts).
But Discoverys are bought by people who want a big 7-seater with the need to occasionally go off road (in my case muddy rugby fields). So of course, given I have kids, things like USB ports are important as well as the off-road ability
Come on PH you're better than this; you don't need to be patronising
Ps it looks a bit ugly, might keep the D4 a bit longer too
Quickmoose said:
GCH said:
gizlaroc said:
I couldn't buy one because I couldn't be in it knowing that rear number plate was part of the design....
My OCD meter just went off the chart Did it go off the cahrt with the last one then?
I'm not saying it works or not...I want to see it in the metal, but obvious aesthetic link is obvious...
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