RE: Land Rover Discovery - full details
Discussion
A.J.M said:
No split tailgate is a HUGE loss, it's a fantastic feature on my D3 and the general Tonka toy/van like ability is great, comfy enough but still hugely practical and hard wearing.
Absolutely. A small point, but being able to sit on the tailgate to change shoes/wellies, stand on it to watch a match etc was absolutely part of the charm and differentiated it from the opposition. I had a D3 9 or 10 years ago and it is still one of the best cars I've every owned (the best according to my wife). Like others on here who are cancelling orders, I've been waiting for this launch for over a year, but this is very underwhelming. Now that it's lost it's rough/tonka/charm USP, it's just another big and anonymous 4x4 of which there are many. Why would I buy this? Everything behind the B pillar is a complete mess. Looks like the front end of a Disco Sport grafted on to some sort of hideous Chinese SUV.
The weird door shut line / c pillar shape makes it look like it has a huge arse hanging out the back.
Then they top it off with the weird plate position.
The weird door shut line / c pillar shape makes it look like it has a huge arse hanging out the back.
Then they top it off with the weird plate position.
David87 said:
I believe they're also going to be offering the 180PS Ingenium diesel, or is that not for the UK market? Anyway, who cares as you can now get a PETROL one again! 
I cannot see how the 2.0 diesel will be anything other than slow and noisy. My old D3 2.7v6 was bad enough until I remapped it. My 255hp D4 with the 8sp auto is miles better and goes as fast as you'd want one of these to go. This is a pants pastiche of a once great car. I've always loved Land Rover since the mid 70s when my Dad had them, faults and all but they no longer sell a single model I'd like to own. Given the perceived low volume and reliability concerns I cannot see why anyone would choose this over a well made, similarly priced (just as dull) alternative from a larger manufacturer.My thoughts exactly powerstroke.
Liked the old Disco 3/4. Didn't like it was one of the heaviest 4x4s out there. Some serious weight loss, some new engines and an update of the "tonka toy" looks would have been spot on.
LR must have been spooked by the poor reception their Defender concepts got, so They've battened down the hatches and hit the "safe" button on the giant photo copier.
Liked the old Disco 3/4. Didn't like it was one of the heaviest 4x4s out there. Some serious weight loss, some new engines and an update of the "tonka toy" looks would have been spot on.
LR must have been spooked by the poor reception their Defender concepts got, so They've battened down the hatches and hit the "safe" button on the giant photo copier.
wormus said:
I cannot see how the 2.0 diesel will be anything other than slow and noisy. My old D3 2.7v6 was bad enough until I remapped it. My 255hp D4 with the 8sp auto is miles better and goes as fast as you'd want one of these to go. This is a pants pastiche of a once great car. I've always loved Land Rover since the mid 70s when my Dad had them, faults and all but they no longer sell a single model I'd like to own. Given the perceived low volume and reliability concerns I cannot see why anyone would choose this over a well made, similarly priced (just as dull) alternative from a larger manufacturer.
I suspect that when they looked at the stats they realised that the most important user of the Disco but also the demographic which had the highest growth potential was mothers. Outside of the Evoque JLR don't really have a product for women other than the Freelander and the Disco so maybe both have been targeted more specifically at the female demographic? That would certainly make sense and be logical. They also probably realised that the family market is larger and more affluent than the site manager market so tweeted its external look to cater more for that. I think the emphasis on the electric seats and back seat charging points may allude to this. In contrast to the D4 it can wade deeper and is apparently better off-road. I don't know if it can tow the same? But it appears to do everything that the D4 can do plus more. They've just made it look more car like and less truck like and that's probably to appeal to what has transpired over time to be the true market for this model.
As for why anyone would chose this over the competition? The badge of course. There is still a relatively small number of 7 seat family cars but the Land Rover is still the primary brand.
DonkeyApple said:
I suspect that when they looked at the stats they realised that the most important user of the Disco but also the demographic which had the highest growth potential was mothers. Outside of the Evoque JLR don't really have a product for women other than the Freelander and the Disco so maybe both have been targeted more specifically at the female demographic? That would certainly make sense and be logical. They also probably realised that the family market is larger and more affluent than the site manager market so tweeted its external look to cater more for that. I think the emphasis on the electric seats and back seat charging points may allude to this.
In contrast to the D4 it can wade deeper and is apparently better off-road. I don't know if it can tow the same? But it appears to do everything that the D4 can do plus more. They've just made it look more car like and less truck like and that's probably to appeal to what has transpired over time to be the true market for this model.
As for why anyone would chose this over the competition? The badge of course. There is still a relatively small number of 7 seat family cars but the Land Rover is still the primary brand.
My wife has a D4 (and two D3's before that) - she can have whatever she wants but she likes the Disco's - she been patiently waiting with our current (and unreliable) D4 - and we have one of the first cars on order......In contrast to the D4 it can wade deeper and is apparently better off-road. I don't know if it can tow the same? But it appears to do everything that the D4 can do plus more. They've just made it look more car like and less truck like and that's probably to appeal to what has transpired over time to be the true market for this model.
As for why anyone would chose this over the competition? The badge of course. There is still a relatively small number of 7 seat family cars but the Land Rover is still the primary brand.
...she hates this and is very disappointed. So we won't be getting one. Choice now is between a FFRR and the SQ7.
As a 6 time Land Rover owner (3 time Discovery) and a bit of a 'traditionalist', I didn't quite know what to think with the spy shots that were being banded around.
I was 13 when the Discovery 3 came out, and as a huge Land Rover fan even back then, I absolutely hated what they done to the Discovery. It had lost its solid axles, the looks were all wrong (I especially remember hating the back), and it had become 'too posh'. After about 12 months, I started to come round to them, and now the Discovery 4 is without a about my favourite modern Land Rover, I'd chose one over any other LR they currently make in a heartbeat.
For a time I was genuinly more sad about the demise of Discovery 4 than I was Defender (that's another story for another day
)! I was worried it would lose it's rugged charm, that it would become too expensive, it would lose it's off road capability, and that they'd all be plastered with leather and unneccassary gadets.
I'm pretty happy with what they've done. Yes, they've lost the iconic look of D3/D4, but D3 lost the iconic look of D1/D2, time moves on and so does design. If design doesn't move on, you'll end up with another Defender! (sorry, I'll stop with the Defender thing now). Yes I agree it doesn't look quite as good as D3/4, but that was to be expected.
Great to see that in the UK the 2 speed transfer box is standard, the 3.5 ton towing capacity is still there, and probably the best thing in my opinion is that you can buy a properly basic one without any nav, leather or fancy headlights! The final bonus is the price, I expected it to be starting at over £50k so I'm pleased that's not a thing.
I'm good with the 4 cylinder diesel, it served the Discovery 1 very well indeed over 9 years of service, and it's great to see another petrol in the line-up, though sadly I think uptake will be exceptionally low.
No I can't really afford one, but with a bit of persistence it would be nice to in a couple of years
I was 13 when the Discovery 3 came out, and as a huge Land Rover fan even back then, I absolutely hated what they done to the Discovery. It had lost its solid axles, the looks were all wrong (I especially remember hating the back), and it had become 'too posh'. After about 12 months, I started to come round to them, and now the Discovery 4 is without a about my favourite modern Land Rover, I'd chose one over any other LR they currently make in a heartbeat.
For a time I was genuinly more sad about the demise of Discovery 4 than I was Defender (that's another story for another day
)! I was worried it would lose it's rugged charm, that it would become too expensive, it would lose it's off road capability, and that they'd all be plastered with leather and unneccassary gadets. I'm pretty happy with what they've done. Yes, they've lost the iconic look of D3/D4, but D3 lost the iconic look of D1/D2, time moves on and so does design. If design doesn't move on, you'll end up with another Defender! (sorry, I'll stop with the Defender thing now). Yes I agree it doesn't look quite as good as D3/4, but that was to be expected.
Great to see that in the UK the 2 speed transfer box is standard, the 3.5 ton towing capacity is still there, and probably the best thing in my opinion is that you can buy a properly basic one without any nav, leather or fancy headlights! The final bonus is the price, I expected it to be starting at over £50k so I'm pleased that's not a thing.
I'm good with the 4 cylinder diesel, it served the Discovery 1 very well indeed over 9 years of service, and it's great to see another petrol in the line-up, though sadly I think uptake will be exceptionally low.
No I can't really afford one, but with a bit of persistence it would be nice to in a couple of years
Can't believe they have lost the split tailgate, that is what made the car. The way it got closer on one side meant you coudl sit out the rain, load long items, protect the bumpers etc etc..
Might as well by the Volvo XC90 now.
I drove a disco sport with the ingenium in and I have to say it is the WORST engine I have ever driven period ever in my driving life! It badly vibrates the seats at idle, how it even got released I don't know..
So now they have lost the styling utility and useful features many other option appear.
God help us when the release the defender replacement in 2020... The marketing department needs to talk to owners who use the cars not a styling group in London.
Might as well by the Volvo XC90 now.
I drove a disco sport with the ingenium in and I have to say it is the WORST engine I have ever driven period ever in my driving life! It badly vibrates the seats at idle, how it even got released I don't know..
So now they have lost the styling utility and useful features many other option appear.
God help us when the release the defender replacement in 2020... The marketing department needs to talk to owners who use the cars not a styling group in London.
dealmaker said:
DonkeyApple said:
I suspect that when they looked at the stats they realised that the most important user of the Disco but also the demographic which had the highest growth potential was mothers. Outside of the Evoque JLR don't really have a product for women other than the Freelander and the Disco so maybe both have been targeted more specifically at the female demographic? That would certainly make sense and be logical. They also probably realised that the family market is larger and more affluent than the site manager market so tweeted its external look to cater more for that. I think the emphasis on the electric seats and back seat charging points may allude to this.
In contrast to the D4 it can wade deeper and is apparently better off-road. I don't know if it can tow the same? But it appears to do everything that the D4 can do plus more. They've just made it look more car like and less truck like and that's probably to appeal to what has transpired over time to be the true market for this model.
As for why anyone would chose this over the competition? The badge of course. There is still a relatively small number of 7 seat family cars but the Land Rover is still the primary brand.
My wife has a D4 (and two D3's before that) - she can have whatever she wants but she likes the Disco's - she been patiently waiting with our current (and unreliable) D4 - and we have one of the first cars on order......In contrast to the D4 it can wade deeper and is apparently better off-road. I don't know if it can tow the same? But it appears to do everything that the D4 can do plus more. They've just made it look more car like and less truck like and that's probably to appeal to what has transpired over time to be the true market for this model.
As for why anyone would chose this over the competition? The badge of course. There is still a relatively small number of 7 seat family cars but the Land Rover is still the primary brand.
...she hates this and is very disappointed. So we won't be getting one. Choice now is between a FFRR and the SQ7.
Seems to have some sort of platform at the rear:
'You just knew that they were going to drop the split rear tailgate, which although much loved, is also expensive, difficult to seal and attracts corrosion.
Instead there's a basic sheet-moulded plastic top-hinged tailgate augmented with an aluminium picnicking/standing/seating plate, which folds out of the floor and can support up to 300kg.'
'You just knew that they were going to drop the split rear tailgate, which although much loved, is also expensive, difficult to seal and attracts corrosion.
Instead there's a basic sheet-moulded plastic top-hinged tailgate augmented with an aluminium picnicking/standing/seating plate, which folds out of the floor and can support up to 300kg.'
Playing with the configurator (stupid word), you can't select any interior leather colours for the HSE version; only allowed black. Unless of course you pay more for the HSE Luxury. That's a pain as the 'free' leather options are of course provided by the £5,700 uplift between HSE and HSE Luxury. Not so free!!
DonkeyApple said:
Seems to have some sort of platform at the rear:
'You just knew that they were going to drop the split rear tailgate, which although much loved, is also expensive, difficult to seal and attracts corrosion.
Instead there's a basic sheet-moulded plastic top-hinged tailgate augmented with an aluminium picnicking/standing/seating plate, which folds out of the floor and can support up to 300kg.'
Seen the pictures and looks like it folds out the boot floor.. the back of your legs then get dirty against the bumper and how do you fold it out with a boot full of stuff or a shoot box there. No doubt it will also be an expensive option!'You just knew that they were going to drop the split rear tailgate, which although much loved, is also expensive, difficult to seal and attracts corrosion.
Instead there's a basic sheet-moulded plastic top-hinged tailgate augmented with an aluminium picnicking/standing/seating plate, which folds out of the floor and can support up to 300kg.'
In fact with a shoot box it just doesn't work.
I reckon none of the big SUV's are going to be that reliable. With the exception of the Japanese stuff. There's just too much needless stuff on them that can break and their weight puts such strain on the stressed diesel engines they usually have over here. Not to mention suspension components, gearboxes, brakes etc. They are just so colossally compromised in engineering terms.
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