RE: Land Rover Discovery - full details
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kmpowell said:
Thought I'd have a look at the PCP finance figures on them.
Discovery First Edition, £68,295.00 OTR.
RV/GFV after 2yrs and 12k miles, wait for it.... just £27,106.00!
So LR predict a 60% loss in two years.
Indeed-just silly, when in reality is will be closer to 50k. You have to wonder why they offer such a low residual-hoping some just give it back?Discovery First Edition, £68,295.00 OTR.
RV/GFV after 2yrs and 12k miles, wait for it.... just £27,106.00!
So LR predict a 60% loss in two years.
I've loved every new version of the Discovery as soon as I've seen it but I've got mixed feelings about this one...admittedly though, I'm in the 1% that would buy one and actually use it for proper overland travel and that's sadly not the market LR now has to cater for to prosper.
The main question is quite simply; what's the reliability going to be like and how many specialist tools would I need to fix one miles from the nearest workshop? It'd be useless to me if it's going to leave me stranded in the middle of nowhere and the more complicated electronics the vehicle requires to even limp along, the less suitable it is.
If it's no good for off-roading / overland travel, it's no longer a Discovery. - Has it become a tarted-up Galaxy for those too pretentious to be seen in a Ford? Over to you JLR...allay my fears.
The main question is quite simply; what's the reliability going to be like and how many specialist tools would I need to fix one miles from the nearest workshop? It'd be useless to me if it's going to leave me stranded in the middle of nowhere and the more complicated electronics the vehicle requires to even limp along, the less suitable it is.
If it's no good for off-roading / overland travel, it's no longer a Discovery. - Has it become a tarted-up Galaxy for those too pretentious to be seen in a Ford? Over to you JLR...allay my fears.
Think it looks great, modern and fresh but much classier than the dreado looking Q5/7 cayenne and x5. The huge weight saving will make it a vastly superior car to the old one in terms of dynamics but its the same price as the old one; not mentioning all the great news toys on it!
If the looks had not changed from the old one everyone on PH would be moaning about how old it looks FFS!
If the looks had not changed from the old one everyone on PH would be moaning about how old it looks FFS!
brickwall said:
Like it. My parents had a Disco3 (great car), this looks like a good next step on.
However they’ve definitely got an engine conundrum. The 3 litre is not worth going for - an extra 18hp over the 2-litre just isn't worth it, especially when you account for the extra weight.
As an off road vehicle I think the torque is the more relevant figure. An extra 73 lbft would be useful.However they’ve definitely got an engine conundrum. The 3 litre is not worth going for - an extra 18hp over the 2-litre just isn't worth it, especially when you account for the extra weight.
JaguarsportXJR said:
brickwall said:
Like it. My parents had a Disco3 (great car), this looks like a good next step on.
However they’ve definitely got an engine conundrum. The 3 litre is not worth going for - an extra 18hp over the 2-litre just isn't worth it, especially when you account for the extra weight.
As an off road vehicle I think the torque is the more relevant figure. An extra 73 lbft would be useful.However they’ve definitely got an engine conundrum. The 3 litre is not worth going for - an extra 18hp over the 2-litre just isn't worth it, especially when you account for the extra weight.
I suspect that it being half a tonne lighter and more aerodynamic plus using the 8 speed box meaning you're always on the torque curve will make the new 2L pokier than the D3 3L car anyway.
In deciding between 2.0 and 3.0 surely NVH will be an issue as well? I had expected the 3.0 to be supplied with more power (nearer RRS) - a shame it isn't. I tested an XC90 and didn't like (a) the "meh" nature of the 2.0 4-cyl engine (b) the appalling tyre noise. My D4 (bought in preference) is massively more refined than the XC90, though I did like that the XC90 felt a lot less like a lumbering great lump of a thing than the D4
I quite like the D5 - the rear window is a bit small though - one of the things I like about my D4 is the way that the asymmetric rear window allows a full sweep of a properly big wiper, so you have a big expand of clear glass. Looks like the D5 won't allow that, but I look forward to having a proper look at one in a while
I quite like the D5 - the rear window is a bit small though - one of the things I like about my D4 is the way that the asymmetric rear window allows a full sweep of a properly big wiper, so you have a big expand of clear glass. Looks like the D5 won't allow that, but I look forward to having a proper look at one in a while
It looks as though their design process was simple:
1 - take the discovery sport
2 - make it slightly bigger
3 - take a list of 'Discovery design features' (number plate / roofline / pretence of split tailgate / etc.) and add them regardless of whether they work with the new design
really doesn't look as cohesive - looks great inside though...
inside = good
technical capability = good
technology and gadgets = good
outside design = mediocre
reliability = ??? (they have a real opportunity to improve here!)
1 - take the discovery sport
2 - make it slightly bigger
3 - take a list of 'Discovery design features' (number plate / roofline / pretence of split tailgate / etc.) and add them regardless of whether they work with the new design
really doesn't look as cohesive - looks great inside though...
inside = good
technical capability = good
technology and gadgets = good
outside design = mediocre
reliability = ??? (they have a real opportunity to improve here!)
I will not be replacing my D4 with this - the great thing about the Discovery3/4 is that the vehicle is entirely 'fit for purpose'. Also it is classless and doesn't make a 'statement'. That is the appeal to a lot of the current owners, many of which could easier afford a top spec RR, but prefer the low key practicality of the Discovery. It's a great shame that JLR have lost the confidence to turn out a car that isn't a facsimile of everything else they produce and most of the other SUV's (sorry, such a dreadful concept, I mean large family cars capable of driving across a muddy field) available. Shame on them, but at least it's saved me 30k to change.
Employee here who's been working with these for quite a while now...
The 'flap' at the back end does indeed take the place of the split gate and is a configurable option. You get a whole load of stowage room in a tray underneath the load floor (behind the 'flap'). It'll deploy on button press - so it will still retain your luggage on opening the bootlid. You do end up with the benefit of a larger overhang/cover should you be picnicking in the rain, while still having somewhere to sit away from the back face of the bumper. I guess a trade off of this though is you need a bit more space to open it when parked close to something at the back, but as all of LR's boot lids are plastic these days anyway it helps keep the whole system lighter weight and easier to function. Plus trying to get L405's split electric gate to work correctly at launch was an absolute mare. It's a whole lot easier to manufacture this way.
Should probably also say these are my opinions and not those of the company...
The 'flap' at the back end does indeed take the place of the split gate and is a configurable option. You get a whole load of stowage room in a tray underneath the load floor (behind the 'flap'). It'll deploy on button press - so it will still retain your luggage on opening the bootlid. You do end up with the benefit of a larger overhang/cover should you be picnicking in the rain, while still having somewhere to sit away from the back face of the bumper. I guess a trade off of this though is you need a bit more space to open it when parked close to something at the back, but as all of LR's boot lids are plastic these days anyway it helps keep the whole system lighter weight and easier to function. Plus trying to get L405's split electric gate to work correctly at launch was an absolute mare. It's a whole lot easier to manufacture this way.
Should probably also say these are my opinions and not those of the company...
Andy S15 said:
Employee here who's been working with these for quite a while now...
The 'flap' at the back end does indeed take the place of the split gate and is a configurable option. You get a whole load of stowage room in a tray underneath the load floor (behind the 'flap'). It'll deploy on button press - so it will still retain your luggage on opening the bootlid. You do end up with the benefit of a larger overhang/cover should you be picnicking in the rain, while still having somewhere to sit away from the back face of the bumper. I guess a trade off of this though is you need a bit more space to open it when parked close to something at the back, but as all of LR's boot lids are plastic these days anyway it helps keep the whole system lighter weight and easier to function. Plus trying to get L405's split electric gate to work correctly at launch was an absolute mare. It's a whole lot easier to manufacture this way.
Should probably also say these are my opinions and not those of the company...
Can you please go and find the individual responsible for the styling and tell him he needs a new guide dog! The 'flap' at the back end does indeed take the place of the split gate and is a configurable option. You get a whole load of stowage room in a tray underneath the load floor (behind the 'flap'). It'll deploy on button press - so it will still retain your luggage on opening the bootlid. You do end up with the benefit of a larger overhang/cover should you be picnicking in the rain, while still having somewhere to sit away from the back face of the bumper. I guess a trade off of this though is you need a bit more space to open it when parked close to something at the back, but as all of LR's boot lids are plastic these days anyway it helps keep the whole system lighter weight and easier to function. Plus trying to get L405's split electric gate to work correctly at launch was an absolute mare. It's a whole lot easier to manufacture this way.
Should probably also say these are my opinions and not those of the company...
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