RE: Honda Civic Type R prototype - Paris 2016

[Composite Guru]

Ali_T said:

Composite Guru said:

Hideous, they have made a just as bad job on that as they did with the FK & FN.

The EP was the best shape imo. This is just a Subaru clone.

Nah, EG was the pinnacle. EK was too bug eyed and EP was a bread van. I didn't mind the FN as the shape was actually nice, just had far too much fussy detail but FK and this are disasters. They look like a generic hatchback out of a GTA game.

I liked the Bread Van look. It was simple but useful interior space.

Edited by Composite Guru on Thursday 29th September 11:54

[FN2TypeR]

AH33 said:

Glad they are releasing it so soon, it will hopefully torpedo current Type R values and I can have one at a reasonable price. (NB £32k for a hot hatch is never "reasonable")

Get the non GT for 30k then.

I'd love an FK2 too, my 30th birthday is next April so I may treat myself, I fancied a new one for some reason that I can't quite put my finger on though.

This however, looks rubbish and I simply cannot believe it, it's fking dreadfully bad.

I'm gonna be biased and say the FN2 is the best looking of the post 2000 Type Rs that were readily available in the UK, especially on a sunny day in the bronze colour that was available pre 2009. The EP3 is a bit crap looking IMO, but a great car non the less.



Here it is, misbehaving, The Rage alloys are gone now though.

Edited by FN2TypeR on Thursday 29th September 11:56

Edited by FN2TypeR on Thursday 29th September 13:47

[AH33]

FN2TypeR said:

Get the non GT for 30k then.

I was thinking more along the lines of £8-10k, which i'd probably say is still 5+ years away for the FK.

30 thousand pounds on a Honda Civic, even as a ex owner and Type R "fan"? It's not an option for me, but if it was, I wouldn't. My Mrs would (rightly) leave me.

[CedricN]

Not a big surprise, they was doing intensive testing this summer at sierra nevada (alot of car and truck companies do) with cars that looked very production ready. It really looks bad IRL to, but I hope they stepped it up a notch driving wise, to put pressure on the competitors!

[FN2TypeR]

AH33 said:

FN2TypeR said:

Get the non GT for 30k then.

I was thinking more along the lines of £8-10k, which i'd probably say is still 5+ years away for the FK.

30 thousand pounds on a Honda Civic, even as a ex owner and Type R "fan"? It's not an option for me, but if it was, I wouldn't. My Mrs would (rightly) leave me.

£17,000 in 2002 for the EP3 is equivalent to just less than £25,000 now, so it is costly, it's much "more" of a car though I reckon.

The lease deals are steep too, they clearly aren't interested in it being a volume seller as the dealers are wanting about six grand or so as a deposit and then around £300/month for three years!

[giveablondeabone]

Yes it's a munter but I just can't help feeling intrigued by it.

I like the current FK2 btw and no, I don't think that's pretty either.

[havoc]

FN2TypeR said:

rb5er said:

A new CTR every year? Can't be good for residuals.

If you're on a lease deal that has a fixed monthly cost I can't see the problem at the moment. I wonder how many people bought an FK2 and paid cash?

Honda are only offering PCP or HP - no contract hire. And pretty steep payment plans with those two also - I looked at an FK2 earlier this year as an alternative to my soon-to-arrive vRS230* (I need an economic quick petrol, so Golf-R was out! ), but the cash difference between CTR and vRS was £150+ per month! (i.e. no subsidies from the manufacturer, unlike VAG and Merc...)

With regard to the new car:-
- yes it's ugly (again) - proportions are better but they've clearly got the teenagers in to finish the car off (literally and figuratively), as it's a mess of Halfords-esque add-ons.
- 20"s?!? FFS, we DO NOT need that st. As above, it mullers the ride quality, increases the risk of damaging an alloy on our roads, and increases running costs. Another example of the designers overruling the engineers, which is a really sad thing to say about Honda.
- 3 pipes? Oh dear. Designers again.

...so I'm really hoping that it drives even better than the current one (pretty good as an all-rounder but not focused enough to deserve the Type-R badge, ride-quality aside). Otherwise RIP Soichiro-san...





* The first non-Honda I'll have owned in >10 years, to put my comments above into perspective...

[DUMBO100]

I can't imagine the current Type R selling well in the American market, so this more saloon car looking version does make sense

[knebworth01]

Lets hope it finally gets a third seatbelt in the back, then I can buy one!

[Matt UK]

I'd be embarrassed getting a lift in one, let alone owning one.

Looks like a manga cartoon car - I'm sure my Son thinks it's 'sick'..

[SilverSpur]

AH33 said:

FN2TypeR said:

Get the non GT for 30k then.

I was thinking more along the lines of £8-10k, which i'd probably say is still 5+ years away for the FK.

30 thousand pounds on a Honda Civic, even as a ex owner and Type R "fan"? It's not an option for me, but if it was, I wouldn't. My Mrs would (rightly) leave me.

Seen loads of these new CTRs on the roads now, they look awkward on the road. Especially when you see the driver, who invariably appears to be mid forties to early fifties in age. Every one I've seen.

I guess that's a lot to do with cost.

[Butter Face]

Composite Guru said:

Ali_T said:

Composite Guru said:

Hideous, they have made a just as bad job on that as they did with the FK & FN.

The EP was the best shape imo. This is just a Subaru clone.

Nah, EG was the pinnacle. EK was too bug eyed and EP was a bread van. I didn't mind the FN as the shape was actually nice, just had far too much fussy detail but FK and this are disasters. They look like a generic hatchback out of a GTA game.

I liked the Bread Van look. It was simple but useful interior space.

Edited by Composite Guru on Thursday 29th September 11:54

The pre-facelift is better looking IMO.

It does seem brave for Honda to release a new Type R so soon after the current one! Obviously have faith that they will sell them.

[motor mad]

SilverSpur said:

Seen loads of these new CTRs on the roads now, they look awkward on the road. Especially when you see the driver, who invariably appears to be mid forties to early fifties in age. Every one I've seen.

I guess that's a lot to do with cost.

Someone in their 40's/50's driving something enjoyable and not going for a stereotypical BMW, Mercedes or Audi. Well done them.

[vz-r_dave]

More interested in knowing how it's powered then what it looks like... at least initially. The amount of one liners about the looks... welcome to a petrol head forum... or what was one. Pathetic

[FN2TypeR]

SilverSpur said:

AH33 said:

FN2TypeR said:

Get the non GT for 30k then.

I was thinking more along the lines of £8-10k, which i'd probably say is still 5+ years away for the FK.

30 thousand pounds on a Honda Civic, even as a ex owner and Type R "fan"? It's not an option for me, but if it was, I wouldn't. My Mrs would (rightly) leave me.

Seen loads of these new CTRs on the roads now, they look awkward on the road. Especially when you see the driver, who invariably appears to be mid forties to early fifties in age. Every one I've seen.

I guess that's a lot to do with cost.

I live in Aberdeen and have seen quite a few of them knocking around, certainly more so this last few months and the age range has varied quite a lot, I saw a woman who looked to be her 50s loading her shopping into one and I gave her a thumbs up, she said it was her sons and that she loved driving it!

It was white though, bad choice imo.

vz-r_dave said:

More interested in knowing how it's powered then what it looks like... at least initially. The amount of one liners about the looks... welcome to a petrol head forum... or what was one. Pathetic

I'm expecting more of the same to be honest, an increase in power and torque but not much more in terms of the driving experience, in fairness the FK2 is no slouch to drive so I don't think they will have gone back to the drawing board.

Edited by FN2TypeR on Thursday 29th September 15:48

[Ali_T]

Composite Guru said:

I liked the Bread Van look. It was simple but useful interior space.

Edited by Composite Guru on Thursday 29th September 11:54

This wins every time for me...

[Dave Hedgehog]

looks fantastic

[Butter Face]

But as we're talking Type R's, the EG never counts

[FN2TypeR]

Whilst I am partial to a mad hatter looking car the simpler lines of the models of yesteryear do make a lot of sense, no doubt about it. That does look good indeed, it's simple and clean - I like it.

[driftingphil]

I half bet this will turn out to be 4wd. Did anyone actually look at the underside?