RE: Honda Civic Type R prototype - Paris 2016
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Bright Halo said:
Just had a call from a French colleague.
350hp 4WD with rear bias. + 15% on price.
I don't see it.... I just don't.... yes on the power, but an awd performance car from Honda..... beggers belief.... (Hybrid NSX excluded)350hp 4WD with rear bias. + 15% on price.
Edited by Thunder18 on Friday 30th September 10:03
FN2TypeR said:
Honda have seemingly talked about it re capturing "the record", IE the Ring FWD laptime, so I don't believe for a second that this will be anything other than FWD.
FWD, 335bhp and retain the manual box.
Someone at Honda told me it would have 340bhp and FWD. Don't know about the gearbox but I reckon it will be manual again. I am not sure that Honda have a suitable auto box to put in this car, and a CVT would not appeal to the target market.FWD, 335bhp and retain the manual box.
The new Civic actually looks really nice in real life. In pictures it looks a complete mess, but in real life it somehow works.
Thunder18 said:
Oh and to the people that are talking about releasing it when one has just been launched.... read carefully.... it's a prototype, 20" rims..... prototype..... there's no even interior shots...... prototype.....
So the last hideous mess they released was a concept then? I'm sure all the Halfords tat will still be on the next one. 
Composite Guru said:
Thunder18 said:
Oh and to the people that are talking about releasing it when one has just been launched.... read carefully.... it's a prototype, 20" rims..... prototype..... there's no even interior shots...... prototype.....
So the last hideous mess they released was a concept then? I'm sure all the Halfords tat will still be on the next one. 
I never said the final version was pretty... but it's selling.... and the fact the halfrauds tat has a purpose (apart form the red pinstripe) it makes it all the more appealing.
Edited by Thunder18 on Friday 30th September 12:00
Thunder18 said:
Composite Guru said:
Thunder18 said:
Oh and to the people that are talking about releasing it when one has just been launched.... read carefully.... it's a prototype, 20" rims..... prototype..... there's no even interior shots...... prototype.....
So the last hideous mess they released was a concept then? I'm sure all the Halfords tat will still be on the next one. I never said the final version was pretty... but it's selling.... and the fact the halfrauds tat has a purpose (apart form the red pinstripe) it makes it all the more appealing.
Edited by Thunder18 on Friday 30th September 12:00
Look's incredibly similar and just like this one, very few changes.
The interior is also completed just not released yet.
The only details confirmed are that it is Manual, FWD and although a step up in power it won't be massive. I'd expect maybe 320-330bhp at a guess?
It's also lighter, stiffer and wider than the previous FK2. The 2015 model was always aimed as being a rolling template for this model. That's why the last one was never intended to be a huge seller. They're still selling them but they've already hit numbers and are winding down ready for this one.
All this info is from someone very much in the know on Civic Type R Owners.
Thunder18 said:
Bright Halo said:
Just had a call from a French colleague.
350hp 4WD with rear bias. + 15% on price.
I don't see it.... I just don't.... yes on the power, but an awd performance car from Honda..... beggers belief.... (Hybrid NSX excluded)350hp 4WD with rear bias. + 15% on price.
Edited by Thunder18 on Friday 30th September 10:03
t. As they do on the 458.Hmmm... Looks a little awkward but still better than the present one. Trouble is, the real thing will sit higher on wheels that don't fill the arches and will be much more awkward still. Only bmw and Porsche seem to know how to fill a wheel arch properly these days (on their hot models I mean).
Are the new ones selling? I've seen one so far, yet I've seen 4 maybe 5 Focus RS's, and the first deliveries only came like 4-5weeks back.
I think the issue with the last one was the concept/prototype or whatever looked awesome, then when it arrived it had crap wheel arches and a crap rear wing, so a lot of people that were genuinely interested were instantly turned off. Also, whether you're a Honda fan or not, the Type R is in the exact same bracket as the RS, which has more power, 4WD, and much stronger residuals.
Just to add. I realise Honda had some catching up to do, as the FN2 was probably behind its competitors when it was released, so they had to go for the 300bhp £30k hot hatch category, but I think a lot of Honda fans were hoping for an EP3 sort of version. Smaller, lightly, less power, but fun, Honda's version of the Fiesta ST essentially. I loved my EP3, and to me was the last proper Type R. But I wouldn't say no to a Mugen FN2
I think the issue with the last one was the concept/prototype or whatever looked awesome, then when it arrived it had crap wheel arches and a crap rear wing, so a lot of people that were genuinely interested were instantly turned off. Also, whether you're a Honda fan or not, the Type R is in the exact same bracket as the RS, which has more power, 4WD, and much stronger residuals.
Just to add. I realise Honda had some catching up to do, as the FN2 was probably behind its competitors when it was released, so they had to go for the 300bhp £30k hot hatch category, but I think a lot of Honda fans were hoping for an EP3 sort of version. Smaller, lightly, less power, but fun, Honda's version of the Fiesta ST essentially. I loved my EP3, and to me was the last proper Type R. But I wouldn't say no to a Mugen FN2
Edited by skinnyman on Saturday 1st October 10:04
rb5er said:
skinnyman said:
Are the new ones selling? I've seen one so far, yet I've seen 4 maybe 5 Focus RS's
I've only seen about 3 or 4 RS's but seen at least 10 new CTR's.Believe that and you'll believe anything...
5ohmustang said:
Finally the CTR coming to the States. The demand for fast Hondas here is great. Dealer markups will be insane, the focus RS has arrived with markups as high as 25k over msrp.
They did sell the Acura Integra type r here for a short time.
This needs to be awd.
CTR's should stay FWD forever.They did sell the Acura Integra type r here for a short time.
This needs to be awd.
There's no way this will be 4WD, the reason it's going to come out quick after the last model is it will share all the technology. Expect 15bhp more or so and a quicker ring lap, the reason the huge (and long) gestation for the previous model is that it was always going to be shared across both models (present and future).
Engine, driveline, brakes and suspension etc will be largely carried over from the previous model with a few tweaks here and there.
Body and styling obviously will all be new.
Engine, driveline, brakes and suspension etc will be largely carried over from the previous model with a few tweaks here and there.
Body and styling obviously will all be new.
Hitch said:
rb5er said:
skinnyman said:
Are the new ones selling? I've seen one so far, yet I've seen 4 maybe 5 Focus RS's
I've only seen about 3 or 4 RS's but seen at least 10 new CTR's.Believe that and you'll believe anything...
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