RE: LaFerrari Aperta - Paris 2016

[Quickmoose]

wowman said:

Quickmoose said:

2 weeks ago you posted on a thread about controlled motorways, suggesting we should pay to be in control of the car, or go full autonomous or something.... less we become 'dullards'

And now you're yawning at an achingly beautiful drop top Ferrari, that would/could stimulate most if not all senses... [cough] dullard[/cough]

I don't quite see a relation between those posts. May I bother you to expand on this?

"beauty" lies in the eyes of the beholder, so let's agree to disagree here. Speaking of roof versus no roof I simply don't see the benefit of this open car. The coupé - yes. Just great. I feel bored by the inevitability in which car companies make their open follow-ups on cars. Since we're talking sportscars here: Will the open version be faster?

It's no bother.
The LaFerrari coupe is an exciting car, agreed?
But you appear not to like the looks of this (subjectively) but don't mind the coupe?....despite the fact they look extremely similar?
Relation-expansion wise I fear I may falter, only because whilst you see dullness in automated motorways, you fail to see any benefit in taking the roof off a car....
I mean if you don't like or understand that open top cars stimulate in a way fixed roof cars can't, then ...then... well...I feel for you. I don't think I'm going to be able to enlighten you via the medium of text.
It doesn't matter if it's a 1.3 shopping trolley or limited run hyper car, removing the roof is not a boring alteration to a car.

I feel genuinely chuffed to nuts that marques all overf the world still see fit offer the choice of removing the roof....regardless of whether we're talking sports cars or not. Will it gor faster? what?! does it need to?
You've enetered a thread you already knew you didn't 'get'. Well done. Of course all opinons are welcome and valid.

[justboxsters]

looks a mess to me. Unavailable to buy. Move along.

[corozin]

I heard that the carbon fibre roof section that you can option to replace the fabric roof and thus make the car usable is a modest 50,000 euro. Now I'm sure the upcoming owners all have the money but frankly Ferrari are mugging thier customers off with stuff like that.

[Streetrod]

Durzel said:

Streetrod said:

OK this might be a bit Yah boo sucks, but hear goes. You can’t store the hardtop in the car so you will be restricted to 130kph with the storable tent plus the door opens at such an angle that it would be impossible to park in any reasonable sized space. Much as I hate to be practical about these things to me this is just plain silly in a car like this and potentially embarrassing

People driving multi million pound cars will either get the roof (and luggage) sent onwards with their staff or whoever, plus they won't be parking in multistoreys or supermarkets where your last point would be a concern.

You could well have a point. But I would like to think the odd customer who buys this car might actually be a car enthusiast and would like to use it like a car rather than posing pouch, but maybe I am just being naive, it would not be the first time

[Hitch]

Durzel said:

People driving multi million pound cars will either get the roof (and luggage) sent onwards with their staff or whoever, plus they won't be parking in multistoreys or supermarkets where your last point would be a concern.

Yep, living in Monaco/LA etc. should ease the weather issues and using valet services probably takes the worries out of parking!

[Hitch]

corozin said:

I heard that the carbon fibre roof section that you can option to replace the fabric roof and thus make the car usable is a modest 50,000 euro. Now I'm sure the upcoming owners all have the money but frankly Ferrari are mugging thier customers off with stuff like that.

I'm not sure they are, plus, who cares...with a very limited top of the tree car like this those 'mugged off' owners are getting virtually guaranteed uplift in value.

[Carl_Manchester]

nice paint job, nobody else see it ?



Otherwise, its awesome.

They did not really need music on the launch video though.

Edited by Carl_Manchester on Sunday 2nd October 10:15

[sandman77]

Carl_Manchester said:

nice paint job, nobody else see it ?

Edited by Carl_Manchester on Sunday 2nd October 10:15

4th post in this very thread.

[Vyse]

Nasty, that red stripe is horrible. Makes it look much less desirable to me.

[Durzel]

Streetrod said:

You could well have a point. But I would like to think the odd customer who buys this car might actually be a car enthusiast and would like to use it like a car rather than posing pouch, but maybe I am just being naive, it would not be the first time

There will be some people who drive them on "mundane" journeys for sure, but the car doesn't attempt to be practical so it obviously has to be in that context. Ramsay and co used to drive theirs around London, park outside his gaff, etc.

I would hazard a guess as someone who is never likely to be in a position to have such a first world problem that its sheer size, lack of any appreciable storage space, insane power, etc that attempting any kind of typical drive would be an exercise in "proving it can be done" rather than because it's actually practical to do it, if that makes sense.

I would imagine it is perfectly able to do commutes, etc, but it is ultimately a very, very expensive, large, excessively powerful car and anyone with the means to buy one would be better served for everyday journeys by pretty much any other non-hypercar, even any other Ferrari for that matter. I'd love to hear real world experience from one of the resident owners though, like Maff.

Oh to have that dilemma in the morning though.

[Ares]

Streetrod said:

Durzel said:

Streetrod said:

OK this might be a bit Yah boo sucks, but hear goes. You can’t store the hardtop in the car so you will be restricted to 130kph with the storable tent plus the door opens at such an angle that it would be impossible to park in any reasonable sized space. Much as I hate to be practical about these things to me this is just plain silly in a car like this and potentially embarrassing

People driving multi million pound cars will either get the roof (and luggage) sent onwards with their staff or whoever, plus they won't be parking in multistoreys or supermarkets where your last point would be a concern.

You could well have a point. But I would like to think the odd customer who buys this car might actually be a car enthusiast and would like to use it like a car rather than posing pouch, but maybe I am just being naive, it would not be the first time

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Enthusiasts don't always/have to drive their car to the supermarket.

I would personally like to think the majority of these cars are driven purely for the sheer hell of it, not wasted on mundane A-to-B journeys!

[wowman]

Quickmoose said:

The LaFerrari coupe is an exciting car, agreed?
But you appear not to like the looks of this (subjectively) but don't mind the coupe?....despite the fact they look extremely similar?

Totally agree the FlaF is an exciting car in it's coupé form - plus I like it's looks. I don't like the targa version simply for the fact that I do not, as you put it, any benefit in taking the roof off a car.
If I follow your path in terms of sensation for the sake of the argument, I might say I prefer my senses to be focussed on the car itself instead of them being detracted by, well, sunsine and airflow.
Yes, I've driven open cars myself and I liked it. A lot. It's nice and it's a great pastime, but in case of a car that wants to be taken serious as a hyper sportscar, I am more drawn to it if it's got a roof. Especially when the initial product (FlaF) already had all that it needs ;-)

So, from my point of view, we're talking about the probably heavier and slower targa version of a three year old icon, thus inferior in terms of it's intended (or, at least, insinuated) purpose: sports. speed. fast.
What fascinates me is what I call conceptional purity, in that sense, an open version is watering down the idea.
To illustrate what I mean: Would you like to see a Rolls-Royce Phantom Drophead lowered and tuned for better cornering? With removed sound deadening for less weight?

Quickmoose said:

You've enetered a thread you already knew you didn't 'get'. Well done. Of course all opinons are welcome and valid.

Well...I admit I have taken the liberty to express my dislike of a targa version. :-D

[Quickmoose]

Total assumption on it's intended purpose then....

Rolls Royce already do a drophead car...
The engineering in doing a 4 door drophead is probably a step too far. Given the Phantom is focused on providing quet luxury with privacy and lack of fuss...

In this case, a sporty car, a performance car allowing you to focus on the car AND experience more of what makes it exciting (noise), AND allowing people to see "look at me!" driver would seem to me to be a logical step given none of the owners of either the coupe or this will be doing over 200mph everywhere...
or in fact more than 70...