Why do these dirty Diesels have to be so damn fast??
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I know that on PetrolHeads.com there is a lot more love for Diesels in the last few years, but I still can't stand them.
Yes, you will most likely find a few good argument for the devils juice but I still don't like Diesels. Even more so I hate Diesel!
I don't like the clatter, I don't like smell, I don't like how they pollute the city's and I don't like having only 3k rpms.
But I do hate how quick they seemingly are!
A short story:
I was driving my 10 years old Audi S4 with a big 4.2l V8. 340 bhp and 300 lb·ft has been a lot of power not quit long ago.
And yes I know the car is heavy at 1.8 tons and no sportscar and that everybody keeps saying they are slow (155mph and 0-60 in 5.6 sec).
But yesterday I realized that everybody seems to be right!!
Have have been getting on the Autobahn. A sharp corner before the acceleration lane meant one was going at ~ 30mph.
Once on the acceleration lane and stamped on the gas pedal and the automatic in sport mode took care of the rest.
Just before I accelerated hard I saw a black Golf 5 in the rear view mirror.
When turning into Lane 1 at 80 mph I realized the Golf is still the same distance from me than before!!! (ok maybe a little bit more behind but not much)
Only from there until ~ 95 mph I could gain a little more room.
Settled for a nice cruising speed at 80 mph and let the Golf overtake me. To my surprise it turned out to be a Golf 5 Variant 2.0 TDI! Only 140 bhp but 240 lb·ft!
I may have been chipped, but looking completely stock I doubt it...
I normally don't care too much for grand prix lights etc. but seeing good old petrol power from a lot of cubic inches being given a hard time by an old clattering, smelly family Diesel estate with a mere 140 horses does hurt my feelings somehow.
Have you encountered similar stories before?
i have a Octavia tdi 130 with a slight remap to 160. it is surprising the amount of new cars that struggle, eve when i am not trying. i don't race but sometimes run late so still to the limit. not sure against a s4 thou, but i did see a b5 avant with 4 exhausts and a tdi badge on the back today.(was a rs4)
If your 340BHP V8 can't walk away from a 140bhp 4 cylinder diesel then I'd suggest it's broken. If it was a 330D or something then it's a fairer fight, but unless that Golf has had a fortune spent on tuning it, it won't be anywhere near as fast as your S4. They aren't quick cars. Even the 180 bhp Golf GTD has a 0-60 time of about 8 seconds - considerably slower than the S4.
Edited by Howard- on Thursday 29th September 14:25
kmpowell said:
OP being ridiculed for being a childish moron... a bit like how you're coming across.
Speak for yourself.. I see a pretty light hearted post about how efficient diesels (which I agree with that they are both fast but use a very dirty fuel) are these days in pretty 'ordinary' cars..so the Golf was already on the autobahn doing 80 mph, you just joined at 30 mph and floored it but the Golf kept the same distance ?
they are not that fast, he was just carrying more speed than you so could hit 95 mph quicker from 80 than you could from 30.
I think the MK5 tdi is 0-60 in about 10 seconds !
ps - you should have bought the RS4 variant
they are not that fast, he was just carrying more speed than you so could hit 95 mph quicker from 80 than you could from 30.
I think the MK5 tdi is 0-60 in about 10 seconds !
ps - you should have bought the RS4 variant
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel1095-1200.htm
Should be no contest, even if the Audi drivers chooses a higher gear.
I wonder if it was a GTi or GTi Ed30 badged up as a TDi.
Should be no contest, even if the Audi drivers chooses a higher gear.
I wonder if it was a GTi or GTi Ed30 badged up as a TDi.
I must admit that I may have been exaggerating a bit... 
The Golf must have taken a lot more momentum into the corner than myself and must have been in the right gear already, whereas I (or rather my slushbox) had to change down a couple of gears.
And I was pulling away from him, even more so above 80 mph.
But the Golf was much quicker than I would have anticipated! My Audi seems quite helthy and not down on power (well, the internet keeps telling me they never made 340bhp when they left the factory)
Although I'm still relatively young, I'm old enough to remember the Diesels from yesteryear that weren't even turbocharged! There where only few around and none of them where fast. Not even remotly!
For comparison: A ten year old Golf 2.0 TDI has the same torque as a 348 GTB, which makes them quite punchy and you have to be on your toes in anything non tubocharged or non tubocharged Diesel.
I think I just wanted to tell the internet that I don't like Diesels, I guess. Lazy times at the moment...
The Golf must have taken a lot more momentum into the corner than myself and must have been in the right gear already, whereas I (or rather my slushbox) had to change down a couple of gears.
And I was pulling away from him, even more so above 80 mph.
But the Golf was much quicker than I would have anticipated! My Audi seems quite helthy and not down on power (well, the internet keeps telling me they never made 340bhp when they left the factory)
Although I'm still relatively young, I'm old enough to remember the Diesels from yesteryear that weren't even turbocharged! There where only few around and none of them where fast. Not even remotly!
For comparison: A ten year old Golf 2.0 TDI has the same torque as a 348 GTB, which makes them quite punchy and you have to be on your toes in anything non tubocharged or non tubocharged Diesel.
I think I just wanted to tell the internet that I don't like Diesels, I guess. Lazy times at the moment...
VF7 said:
For comparison: A ten year old Golf 2.0 TDI has the same torque as a 348 GTB
I'm not having a go - really, I'm not. I hate diesels just like you 
But this isn't really a fair comparison. The Golf's engine may produce the same peak torque figures but I guarantee not as much of that torque will reach the tarmac as it would from the 348 as is evident by its hugely better horsepower and performance figures. Certainly not in anywhere the same linearity and over as much of the rev range. Horsepower is the figure that actually makes the difference to a car's general performance (aside from perhaps accelerating at 50mph where both cars' gearboxes were welded into 6th gear) despite what the VW Group TDI enthusiasts might want you to believe The Vauxhall Insignia diesel hire car I recently had with its 160bhp and 280-odd lb-ft of torque was still a fair bit slower than my Mondeo (240bhp/265lb-ft petrol turbo) in all situations. Diesels produce more peak torque as a byproduct of their design. They then need to be geared properly to actually make them vaguely driveable.
Edited by Howard- on Thursday 29th September 15:13
Edited by Howard- on Thursday 29th September 15:14
daveco said:
PowerslideSWE said:
A friend of mine has a remapped 535d e60 with bigger injectors and removed DPF and you need something very brisk to keep up with that thing on the motorway.
It's probably putting out well over 350hp 
How is the gearbox and engine coping with the extra torque?
head and was basically just wanting piss on my bonfire, not remotely bothered either way to be honest but I looked at its just over 100 bhp down on mine.Would a 535D out accelerate mine ?
J4CKO said:
535D's still have that mystique, a chap in the pub was drunkenly telling me how my 388 bhp Mercedes CLS would be "Destroyed" by his mates 535D, I just agreed as he is an aggressive perma pissed dhead and was basically just wanting piss on my bonfire, not remotely bothered either way to be honest but I looked at its just over 100 bhp down on mine.
Would a 535D out accelerate mine ?
Not unless it was tuned. Even then it wouldn't "destroy" your car unless it was physically crashed into it.head and was basically just wanting piss on my bonfire, not remotely bothered either way to be honest but I looked at its just over 100 bhp down on mine.Would a 535D out accelerate mine ?
Yeah the 535D is pretty quick. But then, with not far off 300bhp as standard, why is this a surprise to anyone?
VF7 said:
.....4.2l V8. 340 bhp and 300 lb·ft has been a lot of power not quit long ago.
And yes I know the car is heavy at 1.8 tons and no sportscar and that everybody keeps saying they are slow (155mph and 0-60 in 5.6 sec).
My first diesel was a 150bhp Saab 9-3 which was never going to set the world on fire but my second one which I use day to day is a 2003 Merc E320. So that has a 3.2 straight six turbo diesel with only 210bhp but 380lbs of torque although 0-60 is only 7.5 seconds. It's also only 100lbs short of the 6.2 V8 in my CLS so that's a shed load of torque, a re-map would see a likely increase of 40lbs-ft so a diesel can be hugely capable (and still give 50mpg) And yes I know the car is heavy at 1.8 tons and no sportscar and that everybody keeps saying they are slow (155mph and 0-60 in 5.6 sec).
Admittedly there is a slight illusion with diesels whereby their sudden shove of torque can make them feel quicker than they are but the overtaking ability my E class has from say 40-70mph would surprise a few 'nippy' cars.
I agree that round town a diesel doesn't make sense, the bulk of my driving is on the motorway but for day to day use, my diesel is pleasantly quick.
VF7 said:
Settled for a nice cruising speed at 80 mph and let the Golf overtake me. To my surprise it turned out to be a Golf 5 Variant 2.0 TDI! Only 140 bhp but 240 lb·ft!
Chances are it was a 170 bhp one with DSG. They map to 200bhp with 300lbft easily enough. If the driver had the pedal right down, it would take a bit of distance to pull away from him, especially from low initial road speeds where TDIs have a torque advantage.Either that or your S4 is broken!
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