Why do these dirty Diesels have to be so damn fast??
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Merc 450 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Merc 450 said:
yonex said:
T16OLE said:
What about a 313bho diesel with 480ftlb?
This is turning into the new 335(mapped) thread.They're diesels, they smell, sound feckin 'orrible and are bolted into salty rep mobiles, taxis, buses, etc. But worst, worst of all is that every owner seems to wants to tell you at every opportunity how fast they are. These and Tesla drivers are so tediously boring. I'm glad you like your choices, and good for you, but please make this nonsense stop.
Thanks.
By the way, how good is it on diesel whist using 313.2HP
swerni said:
Merc 450 said:
2mpg? My friendly Audi rep that sold me the TT the A4 the A5 cab and the A6 says I will be lucky to get 20mpg in sport mode as it changes up at the redline 4250rpm? Absolutely no need as it is a torque monster and does its best acceleration up to 3500rpm
Must sound epic at 4250 rpm 
swerni said:
Merc 450 said:
2mpg? My friendly Audi rep that sold me the TT the A4 the A5 cab and the A6 says I will be lucky to get 20mpg in sport mode as it changes up at the redline 4250rpm? Absolutely no need as it is a torque monster and does its best acceleration up to 3500rpm
Must sound epic at 4250 rpm Stop it you've got me thinking 640D instead of M6
(joke)DoubleD said:
Merc 450 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Merc 450 said:
yonex said:
T16OLE said:
What about a 313bho diesel with 480ftlb?
This is turning into the new 335(mapped) thread.They're diesels, they smell, sound feckin 'orrible and are bolted into salty rep mobiles, taxis, buses, etc. But worst, worst of all is that every owner seems to wants to tell you at every opportunity how fast they are. These and Tesla drivers are so tediously boring. I'm glad you like your choices, and good for you, but please make this nonsense stop.
Thanks.
By the way, how good is it on diesel whist using 313.2HP
Rapid progress can be made in most cars changing up at 3000 and I now have a clean licence
DoubleD said:
Beardo said:
Merc 450 said:
With the cruise control set at 80mph i get 43.5mpg, around 25mpg around town in flappy paddle mode, never put it in sport because i pay for the diesel
Not THAT vastly better than my petrol auto 9-5! Calculated MPG over 900 miles of mainly motorway and fast A-road last week of 33mpg (could probably do a little better, really), hovers around 20-22mpg around the doors in D. That's with a stage 1 map to 275bhp/310lb/ft-ish.
I've said it before but having had over 15 years where diesels have been the absolute priority for most development in European cars, we really shouldn't be surprised that they're actually pretty good these days, even if they mostly sound s
t! Just remember what your mobile phone or home PC looked like in the year 2000...
There have been plenty of milestones along the way as diesels have improved and made for faster cars. I still don't think they have cracked the diesel 'performance car' ideal, despite there being some whoppingly fast smokers out there. They've just made for a faster family/executive car is all. It's not an engine type that lends itself to sporty fun as we know and enjoy it.
That's not to say there aren't decent quick diesels. My mate's 123d still makes me giggle as he slots it aggressively into gaps in traffic or storms past dawdlers. Not only does it feel like it has a titanic punch, it can spool up the boost and take off with considerable alacrity. Even most diesel family offerings seem to rev fairly freely (over a short range) these days, and improvements in turbocharging and gearing seems to have cut down on the yawning chasms of lag and long waits for the boost threshold to arrive.
They still tick a useful box. My wife loves her Civic i-Dtec. To her, it's a really fast car that gets incredible fuel economy and doesn't need to be nursed along slowly. To me, it's a really useful family car that averages over 60mpg. I'll admit to taking the keys occasionally when I'm going to work just to give it a run out. I do think though that diesels have had their day and it's time to start winding them down. Political opinion on them is changing and that is the death knell, no matter how much consumers love them.
t! Just remember what your mobile phone or home PC looked like in the year 2000...There have been plenty of milestones along the way as diesels have improved and made for faster cars. I still don't think they have cracked the diesel 'performance car' ideal, despite there being some whoppingly fast smokers out there. They've just made for a faster family/executive car is all. It's not an engine type that lends itself to sporty fun as we know and enjoy it.
That's not to say there aren't decent quick diesels. My mate's 123d still makes me giggle as he slots it aggressively into gaps in traffic or storms past dawdlers. Not only does it feel like it has a titanic punch, it can spool up the boost and take off with considerable alacrity. Even most diesel family offerings seem to rev fairly freely (over a short range) these days, and improvements in turbocharging and gearing seems to have cut down on the yawning chasms of lag and long waits for the boost threshold to arrive.
They still tick a useful box. My wife loves her Civic i-Dtec. To her, it's a really fast car that gets incredible fuel economy and doesn't need to be nursed along slowly. To me, it's a really useful family car that averages over 60mpg. I'll admit to taking the keys occasionally when I'm going to work just to give it a run out. I do think though that diesels have had their day and it's time to start winding them down. Political opinion on them is changing and that is the death knell, no matter how much consumers love them.
MY sister picked up a twingo diesel last friday, i went with and got to drive it a good bit. IT has the same 1.5 DCi as the megane and the entry level mercs, and although its tuned to only 86hp, the torque in such a little car is very nice to have.
Looking under the bonnet made me go "oh dear" though, imagine having to fiddle with something in there.. It is supposed to have turbo and an intercooler, but no matter how hard i tried couldnt find either
I can only imagine that that car with a remap and pehaps fiddling with the intercooler and pipework would be an absolute hoot.
Looking under the bonnet made me go "oh dear" though, imagine having to fiddle with something in there.. It is supposed to have turbo and an intercooler, but no matter how hard i tried couldnt find either
I can only imagine that that car with a remap and pehaps fiddling with the intercooler and pipework would be an absolute hoot.
Merc 450 said:
DoubleD said:
Merc 450 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Merc 450 said:
yonex said:
T16OLE said:
What about a 313bho diesel with 480ftlb?
This is turning into the new 335(mapped) thread.They're diesels, they smell, sound feckin 'orrible and are bolted into salty rep mobiles, taxis, buses, etc. But worst, worst of all is that every owner seems to wants to tell you at every opportunity how fast they are. These and Tesla drivers are so tediously boring. I'm glad you like your choices, and good for you, but please make this nonsense stop.
Thanks.
By the way, how good is it on diesel whist using 313.2HP
Rapid progress can be made in most cars changing up at 3000 and I now have a clean licence
It's really funny that the diesel owners feel the need to spurt out their bhp and torque stats in order to justify their preference of a diesel car over a petrol one. Pretty much all modern diesel cars go really well, and make massive sense as a road car. They can be driven point to point every bit as quickly as a decent petrol car (if not quicker), and deliver much better fuel economy doing it. What they lack is some noise, theatre, and that lovely feeling of wringing out a peachy engine to the redline. They make up for it with great gobs of torque which gives them easy speed.
Each to their own, I'm a lover of theatre and noise, and suffer low 20's mpg for it, but a really good diesel can also be a thing of joy. We should all celebrate what we have to enjoy, before we're all reduced to driving hybrids, EV's and all the self driving cr*p that's being dreamed up right now.
Each to their own, I'm a lover of theatre and noise, and suffer low 20's mpg for it, but a really good diesel can also be a thing of joy. We should all celebrate what we have to enjoy, before we're all reduced to driving hybrids, EV's and all the self driving cr*p that's being dreamed up right now.
mybrainhurts said:
VF7 said:
dirty Diesels
Modern diesels are as clean as a whistle compared to those of the past.Unfortunately, you've allowed yourself to be duped by the sanctimonious green brigade of meddlers.
crosseyedlion said:
mybrainhurts said:
Modern diesels are as clean as a whistle compared to those of the past.
Unfortunately, you've allowed yourself to be duped by the sanctimonious green brigade of meddlers.
How are they clean?! They still spew out plumes of black smokeUnfortunately, you've allowed yourself to be duped by the sanctimonious green brigade of meddlers.
Have you not heard of those "troublesome" DPF's also?
J4CKO said:
mybrainhurts said:
VF7 said:
dirty Diesels
Modern diesels are as clean as a whistle compared to those of the past.Unfortunately, you've allowed yourself to be duped by the sanctimonious green brigade of meddlers.
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