Why do these dirty Diesels have to be so damn fast??
Discussion
xjay1337 said:
I agree.
My average MPG after a 50 mile 70mph cruise, 30 minutes on track and then 70mph was about 32mpg average.
I get about 50-55 on a normal cruise.
On track it's very very thirsty, and certainly when hooning on diesels completely lose their economical advantage.
Ah thats cute - you used 'hooning' in conjunction with 'diesel' - like that can be done.My average MPG after a 50 mile 70mph cruise, 30 minutes on track and then 70mph was about 32mpg average.
I get about 50-55 on a normal cruise.
On track it's very very thirsty, and certainly when hooning on diesels completely lose their economical advantage.
I drive diesels, and like remapping them, but I do find it a bit weird to spend a lot of money of modifying them.( I have looked at it myself I have the tdi 130 lump)
The engines are generally heavier, yes stronger, power delivery is condensed in the rev range. Nowadays petrol cars offer the torque boost, and petrol engine being lighter make better drivers cars, generally.
I guess the heart rules the head sometimes or is just to be a bit different. I like the sound of a 335 or 535d thou but would go for 335 if the choice was there.
The engines are generally heavier, yes stronger, power delivery is condensed in the rev range. Nowadays petrol cars offer the torque boost, and petrol engine being lighter make better drivers cars, generally.
I guess the heart rules the head sometimes or is just to be a bit different. I like the sound of a 335 or 535d thou but would go for 335 if the choice was there.
ORD said:
This is PH - you have to get a powerful engine and then drive at a constant 50mph to get (irrelevant) fuel economy figures up high!
Buy a 335d; drive it like a 100bhp diesel; get reasonable fuel efficiency figures; brag down the pub that the car is super fast (in theory) and frugal.
No car is both fast and frugal, at least not at the same time.
To be fair, petrol lovers are guilty of the same nonsense. Plenty of people on the Porsche pages are getting over 30mpg from NA flat 6s, apparently, which must mean never using revs and, in fact, never accelerating.
What a load of bBuy a 335d; drive it like a 100bhp diesel; get reasonable fuel efficiency figures; brag down the pub that the car is super fast (in theory) and frugal.
No car is both fast and frugal, at least not at the same time.
To be fair, petrol lovers are guilty of the same nonsense. Plenty of people on the Porsche pages are getting over 30mpg from NA flat 6s, apparently, which must mean never using revs and, in fact, never accelerating.
ks!I might be able to help with the Porsche thing: I have observed that a great many drivers out there have a very poor ability to read the road, and I have observed that a great many of these are in German cars. I have observed that drivers of German cars brake far, far too much. Because they can't read the road they accelerate when there's no need and then brake equally needlessly as a result. No doubt they think they are driving fast but they are also failing to see that other drivers in 'lesser' cars are travelling at the same rate but without all the needless accelerating, braking, fuss, gearchanging and so on.
Thus, I can understand such drivers scoffing at the idea that their cars can be driven efficiently (in more ways than one) and they automatically assume that there is something wrong with the other drivers, They are totally unaware of their own rubbish, jerky driving caused by a complete lack of road sense, and think their mpg (and wear and tear etc) is the norm. They don't know that things could easily be much, much better.
Leaving the powerful Porsches aside, getting 30mpg or thereabouts is easy on m'way or long runs, in fact I don't know how it's not done without being a really s
t driver, of course.The beauty with diesels imo is that they let you have your cake and eat it. They do allow you to drive fast and have good range at the same time (range that doesn't cost a fortune in terms of time and money spent at filling stations).
By 'fast', I don't mean meaningless acceleration and top speed figures, or jerky, constant accelerate-brake-accelerate-brake-don't-look-beyond-the-bonnet type driving, but in terms of real speed and time, ie good a-b times.
Diesels allow you to get from A-B in good times in real life, and the longer the gap between A-B the more likely the diesel will do it in a good time, and in a much more more relaxed environment too.
heebeegeetee said:
ORD said:
This is PH - you have to get a powerful engine and then drive at a constant 50mph to get (irrelevant) fuel economy figures up high!
Buy a 335d; drive it like a 100bhp diesel; get reasonable fuel efficiency figures; brag down the pub that the car is super fast (in theory) and frugal.
No car is both fast and frugal, at least not at the same time.
To be fair, petrol lovers are guilty of the same nonsense. Plenty of people on the Porsche pages are getting over 30mpg from NA flat 6s, apparently, which must mean never using revs and, in fact, never accelerating.
What a load of bBuy a 335d; drive it like a 100bhp diesel; get reasonable fuel efficiency figures; brag down the pub that the car is super fast (in theory) and frugal.
No car is both fast and frugal, at least not at the same time.
To be fair, petrol lovers are guilty of the same nonsense. Plenty of people on the Porsche pages are getting over 30mpg from NA flat 6s, apparently, which must mean never using revs and, in fact, never accelerating.
ks!I might be able to help with the Porsche thing: I have observed that a great many drivers out there have a very poor ability to read the road, and I have observed that a great many of these are in German cars. I have observed that drivers of German cars brake far, far too much. Because they can't read the road they accelerate when there's no need and then brake equally needlessly as a result. No doubt they think they are driving fast but they are also failing to see that other drivers in 'lesser' cars are travelling at the same rate but without all the needless accelerating, braking, fuss, gearchanging and so on.
Thus, I can understand such drivers scoffing at the idea that their cars can be driven efficiently (in more ways than one) and they automatically assume that there is something wrong with the other drivers, They are totally unaware of their own rubbish, jerky driving caused by a complete lack of road sense, and think their mpg (and wear and tear etc) is the norm. They don't know that things could easily be much, much better.
Leaving the powerful Porsches aside, getting 30mpg or thereabouts is easy on m'way or long runs, in fact I don't know how it's not done without being a really s
t driver, of course.The beauty with diesels imo is that they let you have your cake and eat it. They do allow you to drive fast and have good range at the same time (range that doesn't cost a fortune in terms of time and money spent at filling stations).
By 'fast', I don't mean meaningless acceleration and top speed figures, or jerky, constant accelerate-brake-accelerate-brake-don't-look-beyond-the-bonnet type driving, but in terms of real speed and time, ie good a-b times.
Diesels allow you to get from A-B in good times in real life, and the longer the gap between A-B the more likely the diesel will do it in a good time, and in a much more more relaxed environment too.
yonex said:
This is turning into the new 335(mapped) thread.
They're diesels, they smell, sound feckin 'orrible and are bolted into salty rep mobiles, taxis, buses, etc. But worst, worst of all is that every owner seems to wants to tell you at every opportunity how fast they are. These and Tesla drivers are so tediously boring. I'm glad you like your choices, and good for you, but please make this nonsense stop.
Thanks.
Thread should've stopped here. It's definitely the diesel owners rather than the cars that are the most tedious.They're diesels, they smell, sound feckin 'orrible and are bolted into salty rep mobiles, taxis, buses, etc. But worst, worst of all is that every owner seems to wants to tell you at every opportunity how fast they are. These and Tesla drivers are so tediously boring. I'm glad you like your choices, and good for you, but please make this nonsense stop.
Thanks.
Reading a chap claim that a diesel 5 Series with a remap and 'zorst' is insane nearly made me fall off my chair. Insanely boring, maybe.
DoubleD said:
Almost as boring as people whose arguments are all one sided.
Which having spent (or rather, wasted) the last 30 mins skimming through this thread would include everybody who has posted their opinion. What is it they say.. opinions are like aholes?Shame the clash of the titans track battle never materialised though. That would've been funny.
heebeegeetee said:
ORD said:
This is PH - you have to get a powerful engine and then drive at a constant 50mph to get (irrelevant) fuel economy figures up high!
Buy a 335d; drive it like a 100bhp diesel; get reasonable fuel efficiency figures; brag down the pub that the car is super fast (in theory) and frugal.
No car is both fast and frugal, at least not at the same time.
To be fair, petrol lovers are guilty of the same nonsense. Plenty of people on the Porsche pages are getting over 30mpg from NA flat 6s, apparently, which must mean never using revs and, in fact, never accelerating.
What a load of bBuy a 335d; drive it like a 100bhp diesel; get reasonable fuel efficiency figures; brag down the pub that the car is super fast (in theory) and frugal.
No car is both fast and frugal, at least not at the same time.
To be fair, petrol lovers are guilty of the same nonsense. Plenty of people on the Porsche pages are getting over 30mpg from NA flat 6s, apparently, which must mean never using revs and, in fact, never accelerating.
ks!I might be able to help with the Porsche thing: I have observed that a great many drivers out there have a very poor ability to read the road, and I have observed that a great many of these are in German cars. I have observed that drivers of German cars brake far, far too much. Because they can't read the road they accelerate when there's no need and then brake equally needlessly as a result. No doubt they think they are driving fast but they are also failing to see that other drivers in 'lesser' cars are travelling at the same rate but without all the needless accelerating, braking, fuss, gearchanging and so on.
Thus, I can understand such drivers scoffing at the idea that their cars can be driven efficiently (in more ways than one) and they automatically assume that there is something wrong with the other drivers, They are totally unaware of their own rubbish, jerky driving caused by a complete lack of road sense, and think their mpg (and wear and tear etc) is the norm. They don't know that things could easily be much, much better.
Leaving the powerful Porsches aside, getting 30mpg or thereabouts is easy on m'way or long runs, in fact I don't know how it's not done without being a really s
t driver, of course.The beauty with diesels imo is that they let you have your cake and eat it. They do allow you to drive fast and have good range at the same time (range that doesn't cost a fortune in terms of time and money spent at filling stations).
By 'fast', I don't mean meaningless acceleration and top speed figures, or jerky, constant accelerate-brake-accelerate-brake-don't-look-beyond-the-bonnet type driving, but in terms of real speed and time, ie good a-b times.
Diesels allow you to get from A-B in good times in real life, and the longer the gap between A-B the more likely the diesel will do it in a good time, and in a much more more relaxed environment too.
Smokey32 said:
Max_Torque said:
On a UK circuit, i think the derv will be the quicker car. Much lighter so power to weight isn't far off at all, will stop a lot better, and can get into and out of the corners cleanly. The big AMG will be a right handful and kill it's tyres imo. At the 'ring, where it's all high speed turns, then i could see it being closer, but unless you are doing the GP circuit at Silverstone, my monies are on the derv, sorry.....
its 300KG lighter. Care to explain this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un74WOAMZuA or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb9evLV9TbMVX220's also couldn't get past, I went past a new shape Scooby with ease, and various other cars I thought were quick. The car is a lot faster than the big heavy german barge you give it credit for, but you seem to think its a 2 tonne S class lol.
And the fact this yoof is on about Silverstone, lol. It wouldn't be close.
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