Is a 911 the only choice here?

[chappardababbar]

Shaoxter said:

So I have £40k burning a hole in my pocket (give or take, depending on how much I sell my car for). I need useable rear seats for the incoming baby and something that's quick and sporty. Don't want any super saloon suggestions as I have one of those already

I'm struggling to think of a better all round car than the 997.2 S, are there any other inspired suggestions?

Since you have a super saloon already, 997 is a great choice for a small family. Don't let anyone tell you any different.

By small family I mean 3 people, who are all average to below average height. The baby seat will go behind the shorter person, who should be no taller than 5'6" for it to be workable. You'll have an issue with the buggy as any buggy that can accept a maxi cosi style baby seat, will be too big for the front boot.

This pram:

http://www.johnlewis.com/gb-pockit-stroller-black/...

...is without question the best 911 friendly pram out there, but only suitable from 6 months.

Or you could do this:



The rear facing seat point is key. Try it out with a friend or a dealer.

Evora may work well with a baby if the rear facing seat works and i believe it should. The other important point here is the baby is too young to need to see out of any windows (side windows offer much greater visibility in 911, and forward visibility is better due to the much slimmer front seats). I don't have experience with an Evora but I'd imagine it is the more involving day to day steer. More exotic in my mind as well.

Granturismo, 612 and 456 are the alternatives. There are no others that I am aware of. Anything two door from AM won't work for you.

[AyBee]

I've been contemplating this question for a long time and the only cars I can think of are the 911, Evora, GranTurismo and Bentley ContinentalGT...

[Wills2]

LordHaveMurci said:

RobM77 said:

It's certainly the default choice for those in your shoes, but the only issue is the somewhat inert driving experience.

Really?

No, it's a silly comment.

[Zod]

Krikkit said:

Aston V8V or DB9? Maserati Gran Turismo?

V8V - no rear seats and, though I've thought about it, the parcel shelf won't take a child seat. DB9 rear seats will take a front-facing child seat behind a shortish adult, but not a front-facing baby seat.

[Contigo]

Maserati GTS, get one and wonder why you didn't years ago! Much better than the 911!

[Wilmslowboy]

Shaoxter said:

So I have £40k burning a hole in my pocket (give or take, depending on how much I sell my car for). I need useable rear seats for the incoming baby and something that's quick and sporty. ........

If only for occasional use the 911 will be ok, but I was never a fan of coupes and putting my kids (when they were babies) in the rear.......hard work to get them in and out and always a little concerned about rescue access in a serious accident.

I know you said no to sporty saloons...so how about a RS4 avant

[Herbs]

AyBee said:

I've been contemplating this question for a long time and the only cars I can think of are the 911, Evora, GranTurismo and Bentley ContinentalGT...

M6 is other option

[RobM77]

Wills2 said:

LordHaveMurci said:

RobM77 said:

It's certainly the default choice for those in your shoes, but the only issue is the somewhat inert driving experience.

Really?

No, it's a silly comment.

You may think it's silly, but it's the considered opinion of me and lots of other car people I chat to. I've not got anything against Porsche, it's just that the more recent models have become very aloof and lacking feedback. I should swiftly add that they're precise diving tools, they have superb engineering, great performance, a good choice of different models and I like the conservative but purposeful styling, but sadly I've found that they're just way too Audi-like to drive.

ETA: Your quote is somewhat selective. I was leading into my suggestion to try an Evora. Again, you may think this is 'silly', but it's a widely held opinion that the Evora is better to drive, although plays second fiddle in other areas. I was merely suggesting that the OP tried both to see which compromises he was happier with.

Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 29th September 19:21

[Shaoxter]

chappardababbar said:

Since you have a super saloon already, 997 is a great choice for a small family. Don't let anyone tell you any different.

By small family I mean 3 people, who are all average to below average height. The baby seat will go behind the shorter person, who should be no taller than 5'6" for it to be workable. You'll have an issue with the buggy as any buggy that can accept a maxi cosi style baby seat, will be too big for the front boot.

This pram:

http://www.johnlewis.com/gb-pockit-stroller-black/...

...is without question the best 911 friendly pram out there, but only suitable from 6 months.

Or you could do this:



The rear facing seat point is key. Try it out with a friend or a dealer.

Evora may work well with a baby if the rear facing seat works and i believe it should. The other important point here is the baby is too young to need to see out of any windows (side windows offer much greater visibility in 911, and forward visibility is better due to the much slimmer front seats). I don't have experience with an Evora but I'd imagine it is the more involving day to day steer. More exotic in my mind as well.

Granturismo, 612 and 456 are the alternatives. There are no others that I am aware of. Anything two door from AM won't work for you.

That's amazing info, many thanks sir!

Zod said:

V8V - no rear seats and, though I've thought about it, the parcel shelf won't take a child seat.

[stuno1]

Shaoxter said:

I do like the Evora option, but could you really fit a baby seat back there...?

Started in the same palace as you last November wanting a 911 and ended up with a lotus Evora s sports racer. My wife is 5foot 7 we got a forward facing baby seat behind her. I removed the bench and back rest just like would have had to in the 911. Neither will get a rear facing seat behind a Passanger. For me the Evora is more of an event and than a 912 and rare and bla bla. Bloomin love it! When they get older and can fit in the smaller seats it's even easier. We went from the recaro young sport to the recaro Milano.

[braddo]

I expect a 911 is the only choice in terms of the lighter, sportier stuff. Beyond that there's the GT class like the Maser and Bentley.

A Maxi Cosi Cabriofix fits in the back of a 911 - you can remove the seat cushion for extra space.

Buy a quinny Zapp Xtra and you can attach the cabriofix car seat to the chassis. The chassis fits in a 911 boot.

GT3 with baby seat:



Quinny Zapp Xtra chassis:

[stupidbutkeen]

Lamborghini Espada Oh just looked at prices forget that, seems I have expensive tastes lol

[clarki]

M6??

[Wills2]

RobM77 said:

Wills2 said:

LordHaveMurci said:

RobM77 said:

It's certainly the default choice for those in your shoes, but the only issue is the somewhat inert driving experience.

Really?

No, it's a silly comment.

You may think it's silly, but it's the considered opinion of me and lots of other car people I chat to. I've not got anything against Porsche, it's just that the more recent models have become very aloof and lacking feedback. I should swiftly add that they're precise diving tools, they have superb engineering, great performance, a good choice of different models and I like the conservative but purposeful styling, but sadly I've found that they're just way too Audi-like to drive.

ETA: Your quote is somewhat selective. I was leading into my suggestion to try an Evora. Again, you may think this is 'silly', but it's a widely held opinion that the Evora is better to drive, although plays second fiddle in other areas. I was merely suggesting that the OP tried both to see which compromises he was happier with.

Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 29th September 19:21

No it's your just opinion (no idea who these other people are you claim to have canvassed) you're entitled to it but it doesn't make it right or representative of the car or any less silly.

The 911 is a unique sports car with it's own driving/handling characteristics that aren't shared by any other sports car.

The control weights are perfectly judged, the manual gearbox is a delight to use (one of the best especially if you have the SSK fitted), the steering has more than enough feel, the damping well judged, the howl of the Flat6 addictive, the rear traction inspires confidence as do the strong brakes, moving from a series of M3s the 997.2 felt completely different and the exact opposite of inert, it felt alive.

You might not like the experience but calling that experience inert is so wide of the mark I doubt you've spent enough time in one to form a balanced opinion.

I made no mention of the Evora suggestion (I'm sure that a great car as well) so I'm not sure why you bring that up in your reply, perhaps trying to back pedal a tad and twist some justification into your silly inert remark.

[Shaoxter]

stuno1 said:

Shaoxter said:

I do like the Evora option, but could you really fit a baby seat back there...?

Started in the same palace as you last November wanting a 911 and ended up with a lotus Evora s sports racer. My wife is 5foot 7 we got a forward facing baby seat behind her. I removed the bench and back rest just like would have had to in the 911. Neither will get a rear facing seat behind a Passanger. For me the Evora is more of an event and than a 912 and rare and bla bla. Bloomin love it! When they get older and can fit in the smaller seats it's even easier. We went from the recaro young sport to the recaro Milano.

Seems like there's actually decent legroom there!
Is that a 2+0 or 2+2?

braddo said:

I expect a 911 is the only choice in terms of the lighter, sportier stuff. Beyond that there's the GT class like the Maser and Bentley.

A Maxi Cosi Cabriofix fits in the back of a 911 - you can remove the seat cushion for extra space.

Buy a quinny Zapp Xtra and you can attach the cabriofix car seat to the chassis. The chassis fits in a 911 boot.

GT3 with baby seat:



Quinny Zapp Xtra chassis:

2 kids in the back of a GT3? Awesome
Also thanks for the stroller recommendation!

[stuno1]

Shaoxter said:

2 kids in the back of a GT3? Awesome
Also thanks for the stroller recommendation!

It's a +2 with the seats removed. Also gives you a flat back shelf next to the seat which is great for storage. The quinny Zappa also only takes up half the boot.

If you are close ish to Chelmsford I'm happy to let you have a poke around and give you my honest opinion on the car.

[BigLion]

Nissan GTR R35

[BigLion]

Wills2 said:

RobM77 said:

Wills2 said:

LordHaveMurci said:

RobM77 said:

It's certainly the default choice for those in your shoes, but the only issue is the somewhat inert driving experience.

Really?

No, it's a silly comment.

You may think it's silly, but it's the considered opinion of me and lots of other car people I chat to. I've not got anything against Porsche, it's just that the more recent models have become very aloof and lacking feedback. I should swiftly add that they're precise diving tools, they have superb engineering, great performance, a good choice of different models and I like the conservative but purposeful styling, but sadly I've found that they're just way too Audi-like to drive.

ETA: Your quote is somewhat selective. I was leading into my suggestion to try an Evora. Again, you may think this is 'silly', but it's a widely held opinion that the Evora is better to drive, although plays second fiddle in other areas. I was merely suggesting that the OP tried both to see which compromises he was happier with.

Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 29th September 19:21

No it's your just opinion (no idea who these other people are you claim to have canvassed) you're entitled to it but it doesn't make it right or representative of the car or any less silly.

The 911 is a unique sports car with it's own driving/handling characteristics that aren't shared by any other sports car.

The control weights are perfectly judged, the manual gearbox is a delight to use (one of the best especially if you have the SSK fitted), the steering has more than enough feel, the damping well judged, the howl of the Flat6 addictive, the rear traction inspires confidence as do the strong brakes, moving from a series of M3s the 997.2 felt completely different and the exact opposite of inert, it felt alive.

You might not like the experience but calling that experience inert is so wide of the mark I doubt you've spent enough time in one to form a balanced opinion.

I made no mention of the Evora suggestion (I'm sure that a great car as well) so I'm not sure why you bring that up in your reply, perhaps trying to back pedal a tad and twist some justification into your silly inert remark.

+1

[ILoveMondeo]

XKR, R-S if you can manage a bit more on the budget. Back seat is useless for any adult with legs. Pretty sure baby seats are fine.

That and db9 and Evora as already mentioned are the only slightly non super saloon sporty things with a back seat I can think of.

There's always the couple versions of the big saloons, but besides no back doors they are the same as the saloons right?

[Willy Nilly]

Don't you need a massive SUV for a baby?