The end of cruising at 85 mph on the motorway?
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Willy Nilly said:
vonhosen said:
Willy Nilly said:
vonhosen said:
160kph or 160mph?
Surely you mean the latter.
Your post doesn't really challenge what you quoted, or are you saying you'd rather sit stationary than travel at 70mph?
I don't fSurely you mean the latter.
Your post doesn't really challenge what you quoted, or are you saying you'd rather sit stationary than travel at 70mph?
king sit in fking stationary fking traffic on Christmas fking morning. The roads are fking empty and I want to crack on, not creep along at speeds the lorries should be going at. Every time anything road related comes up, the answer is lower the speed limit. People driving fast cause me no issues. People driving fast are not the ones squeezing against a curb on my push bike, they don't cause me any issues in my car, or on my tractor or where I live, or when I am walking or when I am running. We both know that the reasons for lowing limits is that it is easy to measure. You do the sum total on nothing about people on phones or the people not keeping left on motorways which are causing the congestion, much easier to set a speed limit a bit lower than is comfy and rake in the cash. If you took the limiters on LGV's we could all make a bit more progress, but no, we can't do that, think of the children.
The bulk of the reason for traffic bunching is lorries travelling at 56 and people not keeping left. Sort those problems out before you start messing with the speed limits.
High speed trains are supposed to be the saviour of the world, high speed internet is miles better and every body wants things in life to happen quickly. But you keep telling people that driving "fast" is bad. Not its not, it gets you to you destination in less time, which is good.
Of course High speed rail etc have even tighter regulation.
I mean you can't just roll out in your train & choose how fast you want to go where you want to do it.
mondeoman said:
vonhosen said:
Unpleasant & soul destroying is sitting in stationary traffic going nowhere, not doing 70 on a motorway.
No, travelling on the m25 and my South of Northampton is a generally very unpleasant experience. Lane discipline is fking awful. I had to drive round the m25 on Saturday, and the number of times the outside two lanes were nose to tail and the inside lanes were totally empty was scary. But I'm sure everyone was sanctimonious proud of themselves because "not speeding"
frankenstein12 said:
Unfortunately this wont work....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/it-...
he driver of a damaged van, who declined to give his name, said: “It was so foggy, you couldn’t see anything in front of you. By the time there was a problem, it was too late. The bridge shouldn’t have been open.”
I remember reading about it at the time and people involved were saying they would not have crashed if there had been signs warning them it was foggy and to slow down.
Most people in this country are uncapable of driving a car and as such I dont think speed limits are unreasonable.
That being said there was a trial in the northern territories where they removed speed limits on an open freeway/motorway and accidents went down so there is something to be said for not applying speed limits at all.
We have smart motorways because they apparently work in Germany, same for 20mph limits, yet when anyone suggests no speed limits because it works in Germany we're told we can't assume that what works in one country will work in another.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/it-...
he driver of a damaged van, who declined to give his name, said: “It was so foggy, you couldn’t see anything in front of you. By the time there was a problem, it was too late. The bridge shouldn’t have been open.”
I remember reading about it at the time and people involved were saying they would not have crashed if there had been signs warning them it was foggy and to slow down.
Most people in this country are uncapable of driving a car and as such I dont think speed limits are unreasonable.
That being said there was a trial in the northern territories where they removed speed limits on an open freeway/motorway and accidents went down so there is something to be said for not applying speed limits at all.
I've seen the gantry cameras flash as they take test shots. I'm not sure that flashing equals getting somebody for speeding. I've seen plenty of people doing well over 85mph through these cameras.
vonhosen said:
mondeoman said:
vonhosen said:
Unpleasant & soul destroying is sitting in stationary traffic going nowhere, not doing 70 on a motorway.
No, travelling on the m25 and my South of Northampton is a generally very unpleasant experience. Lane discipline is fking awful. I had to drive round the m25 on Saturday, and the number of times the outside two lanes were nose to tail and the inside lanes were totally empty was scary. But I'm sure everyone was sanctimonious proud of themselves because "not speeding"
I'd rather be sat stationary in traffic than sat naked in a blizzard.
OwenK said:
vonhosen said:
mondeoman said:
vonhosen said:
Unpleasant & soul destroying is sitting in stationary traffic going nowhere, not doing 70 on a motorway.
No, travelling on the m25 and my South of Northampton is a generally very unpleasant experience. Lane discipline is fking awful. I had to drive round the m25 on Saturday, and the number of times the outside two lanes were nose to tail and the inside lanes were totally empty was scary. But I'm sure everyone was sanctimonious proud of themselves because "not speeding"
I'd rather be sat stationary in traffic than sat naked in a blizzard.
Sitting stationary in traffic & driving down the motorway at 70mph do.
I don't find driving down the motorway at 70mph unpleasant or soul destroying. I find it in real terms little different to doing 80mph down the motorway, save in this country I'm not going to get prosecuted for doing 70. That fact alone makes sticking to 70 less stressful.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 2nd October 22:12
OwenK said:
vonhosen said:
mondeoman said:
vonhosen said:
Unpleasant & soul destroying is sitting in stationary traffic going nowhere, not doing 70 on a motorway.
No, travelling on the m25 and my South of Northampton is a generally very unpleasant experience. Lane discipline is fking awful. I had to drive round the m25 on Saturday, and the number of times the outside two lanes were nose to tail and the inside lanes were totally empty was scary. But I'm sure everyone was sanctimonious proud of themselves because "not speeding"
I'd rather be sat stationary in traffic than sat naked in a blizzard.
The speed limit changes just add in complication, a lot of dangerous panic braking when people see a lower limit ahead, catch people out as they change and don't work in real life like they do in simulations.
Fish said:
They are a digital speed camera which covers all lanes and don't flash... Not all are on yet and I think they are set at slightly higher threshold or most of the motorway would be nicked!
There are alot sprouting up though.
They do flash. I've seen them go off when driving in the opposite direction. There are alot sprouting up though.
Riley Blue said:
caelite said:
Sadly the culture of blind compliance in the UK makes movements like this neigh impossible.
You may have overlooked the belief of many that lower speeds save lives and reduce the severity of injuries.The government can just keep firing out their lies though, they do it for everything else. It's remarkable here, they butt f
k us at every turn and people thank them for it.frankenstein12 said:
When passing onramps quick mirror glance shoulder check to see if plod are sat up the ramp waiting for someone to whizz on by. (This is a favourite trick on the M11/A14 between Bishops Stortford and Cambridgeshire.
This is also illegal. Try it yourself, go park up on a slip road and see how long it is before plod turns up and books you.It's highly dangerous to park on a slip road no matter who you are. They are stretches of road for building speed, often blind bends entering them and they could cause a serious accident. Yet another "one rule for the public but f
k the rules for us as long as we can do them" attitude from the police. It's why public opinion of the police is at an all time low, yet they can't seem to understand this concept.They used to do that on the Linlithgow slip road east bound on the M9. There is no hard shoulder on that slip, they parked half on the grass and half on lane 1 of a blind slip road. I nearly had a massive accident with someone who was in the outside lane of the slip, me on the inside lane then came round the corner to find that the space for 2 cars was in fact space for 1 and a half cars. Biggest emergency stop of my life until the guy outside me got past (lucky he booted it to clear the gap and didn't brake) then I was able to swerve out and round them. I reported them and I think quite a few others did too. Not seen them there since.
Start reporting cars illegally parked on a motorway slip road, give them the plate and they'll twig it's them. Only way we can stop the police thinking they are above the law is to keep reporting them. If they do nothing, the public know that the police aren't here to protect us but to get us. Hopefully they'll stop this dirty and dangerous tactic soon. Of course, we already know they aren't here to protect us, else they'd spend less time trying to extract funds from people and more time tackling the violent crime which has been increasing year on year recently (certainly in Scotland).
Gulp! Just did 600 miles down from Inverness. A9 was all SPECS till Glasgow. Big brother has well and truly arrived. People terrified to overtake a truck in case they get a fine and always braking on approach to a Specs camera gantry
. It was pretty mind numbing travel but 25mpg from a V12 was a bonus 
I'll expect about 73 HADECS tickets too as I was locked off at a dizzy 85mph on the godawful M6 when it permitted me to.
I get the theory of these 'Smart' motorways but absolutely every instinct and experience tells me they don't actually work and seem to stifle flow and actually cause congestion. Hate the brake light fest when previously flowing traffic approaches them, and then easily resumes previous cruising speed after they end. The hardware that hundreds of millions is being spent on to roll out and install and manage these systems with attendant punitive cameras to help fund seems absolutely enormous. Someone has been very convincing in a pitch and is now absolutely coining it. Meanwhile the motorists progress gets stifled and 'enforced'. Ohh happy days
. It was pretty mind numbing travel but 25mpg from a V12 was a bonus I'll expect about 73 HADECS tickets too as I was locked off at a dizzy 85mph on the godawful M6 when it permitted me to.
I get the theory of these 'Smart' motorways but absolutely every instinct and experience tells me they don't actually work and seem to stifle flow and actually cause congestion. Hate the brake light fest when previously flowing traffic approaches them, and then easily resumes previous cruising speed after they end. The hardware that hundreds of millions is being spent on to roll out and install and manage these systems with attendant punitive cameras to help fund seems absolutely enormous. Someone has been very convincing in a pitch and is now absolutely coining it. Meanwhile the motorists progress gets stifled and 'enforced'. Ohh happy days
DottyMR2 said:
frankenstein12 said:
When passing onramps quick mirror glance shoulder check to see if plod are sat up the ramp waiting for someone to whizz on by. (This is a favourite trick on the M11/A14 between Bishops Stortford and Cambridgeshire.
This is also illegal. Try it yourself, go park up on a slip road and see how long it is before plod turns up and books you.It's highly dangerous to park on a slip road no matter who you are. They are stretches of road for building speed, often blind bends entering them and they could cause a serious accident. Yet another "one rule for the public but f
k the rules for us as long as we can do them" attitude from the police. It's why public opinion of the police is at an all time low, yet they can't seem to understand this concept.They used to do that on the Linlithgow slip road east bound on the M9. There is no hard shoulder on that slip, they parked half on the grass and half on lane 1 of a blind slip road. I nearly had a massive accident with someone who was in the outside lane of the slip, me on the inside lane then came round the corner to find that the space for 2 cars was in fact space for 1 and a half cars. Biggest emergency stop of my life until the guy outside me got past (lucky he booted it to clear the gap and didn't brake) then I was able to swerve out and round them. I reported them and I think quite a few others did too. Not seen them there since.
Start reporting cars illegally parked on a motorway slip road, give them the plate and they'll twig it's them. Only way we can stop the police thinking they are above the law is to keep reporting them. If they do nothing, the public know that the police aren't here to protect us but to get us. Hopefully they'll stop this dirty and dangerous tactic soon. Of course, we already know they aren't here to protect us, else they'd spend less time trying to extract funds from people and more time tackling the violent crime which has been increasing year on year recently (certainly in Scotland).
In amongst the bunch of cars as I passed there were two cars with one sat no more than 2 metres off the bumper of the one in front yet plod suddenly came hammering onto carriageway and pulled over another car who had gone past at about 90mph.
When they were first installed on the M25 J5-7 a couple of years ago on every journey I saw several flashes in both directions, not sure if they were just setting things up with a lower trigger speed, don't see so many now.
That said on Thursday morning I got flashed by one M25 J3-2 and indicated speed was 78ish. Be interesting to see if I get anything through.
That said on Thursday morning I got flashed by one M25 J3-2 and indicated speed was 78ish. Be interesting to see if I get anything through.
USA64 said:
You could, I suppose, program the camera to check for tailgating. We have cameras in-car that check records for outstanding warrants, revoked license etc.
Tailgating cameras exist, they just aren't used in the UK, because there is no specific tailgating offence.(They were apparently on trial in Thames Valley (but monitoring not obviously prosecuting) but I don't know the outcome of those trials).
frankenstein12 said:
Where its safe to do so I have no real issue with it albeit it's a little sneaky and of course the only time I have seen them react was to pull someone for speeding in clear dry conditions ( i assume) when there were others committing much more serious offences in particular tailgating.
In amongst the bunch of cars as I passed there were two cars with one sat no more than 2 metres off the bumper of the one in front yet plod suddenly came hammering onto carriageway and pulled over another car who had gone past at about 90mph.
Thing with it is though, Highway code states it's never safe to stop on a hard shoulder or slip road unless in an emergency or directed to by plod (being pulled for a more dangerous offence essentially). It even has never in big bold letters. Is sitting there with a speed gun an emergency? I wouldn't say so. The police have those raised platforms set back from the hard shoulder to park on (the "police use only" ones) because of this fact, it is dangerous to stop on a hard shoulder or slip road. It's the double standards that get me and why people have less and less respect for the police. In amongst the bunch of cars as I passed there were two cars with one sat no more than 2 metres off the bumper of the one in front yet plod suddenly came hammering onto carriageway and pulled over another car who had gone past at about 90mph.
I agree on the way it makes them police though. That car is assigned to cover that section of motorway and they choose to sit and just watch their gun for the magic number (lazy policing) instead of patrolling the motorway (effective policing). When they sit there, they can't see people's spacing as they are looking from behind, so they probably never even noticed the 2m gap that guy had.
They just watch for a speeder, pull him, write their ticket and go back to sitting there. If they actually patrolled the motorway like they used to they'd catch tailgaters, people unfit to drive and swerving all over the place, unroadworthy cars, road rage and also just making people behave themselves because they see a police car.
Just because there is high vis painted on a vehicle doesn't make it OK to park it in dangerous places with the justification that they're police so it's fine. It gives the impression that they feel they are above the laws they impose upon others.
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