The end of cruising at 85 mph on the motorway?
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To remove any semblance of doubt (Paticularly for Vonhosen 
) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!
I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
I don't find that any different on/in busy continental roads/cities. (i.e. congestion, displays of poor driving etc etc).
Driving on empty roads in the countryside both in the UK & on the continent is great (i.e. I do it for fun in both).
Driving on busy roads & cities both in the UK & continent is what it is. (i.e. I do it because I need to).
Driving on empty roads in the countryside both in the UK & on the continent is great (i.e. I do it for fun in both).
Driving on busy roads & cities both in the UK & continent is what it is. (i.e. I do it because I need to).
Good for you Von. I'm glad you enjoy traffic free roads, wherever it is you happen to live or travel to.
However,where I live, the roads (even rural ones) are choca block, unless you're going out at silly O'clock, are generally poorly surfaced/maintained, and full of idiots speeding, texting and tailgating.
But hey, what do I know?
However,where I live, the roads (even rural ones) are choca block, unless you're going out at silly O'clock, are generally poorly surfaced/maintained, and full of idiots speeding, texting and tailgating.
But hey, what do I know?
My friend was traffic and he said that they never tugged anyone at 82-85 and pretty sure even the cameras are set about that. Got tugged the other day doing 47 in a 40 ( speed awareness course ) and got ticked off for my slightly altered number plate spacing K41NEB which I got online and passed mot, apparently it is not official plate with no manafacture stamp and the copper said it would not show up on a enp camera , result
jogger1976 said:
To remove any semblance of doubt (Paticularly for Vonhosen ) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!
I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
I've been addicted to Euro road trips for as long as I can remember. It's not just the sensible speed limits, it's the fact that the roads are so much quieter to drive on, people use their indicators and they aren't fuming mad at your mere presence. What I do now in the UK is sit at 65-70mph with the cruise on - I know for sure that I won't be caught for speeding, and sitting in lane one watching all the tailgating game playing t
ts come past you only re-affirms your strategy to chill out and take a few minutes longer getting to your destination. What's more, if congestion slows the usual 80-90mph procession (my commute isn't that heavily trafficked, so lanes two and three move at that speed), then it makes no difference at all to my arrival time. Driving fun for me is on race tracks.RobM77 said:
jogger1976 said:
To remove any semblance of doubt (Paticularly for Vonhosen ) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!
I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
I've been addicted to Euro road trips for as long as I can remember. It's not just the sensible speed limits, it's the fact that the roads are so much quieter to drive on, people use their indicators and they aren't fuming mad at your mere presence. What I do now in the UK is sit at 65-70mph with the cruise on - I know for sure that I won't be caught for speeding, and sitting in lane one watching all the tailgating game playing tts come past you only re-affirms your strategy to chill out and take a few minutes longer getting to your destination. What's more, if congestion slows the usual 80-90mph procession (my commute isn't that heavily trafficked, so lanes two and three move at that speed), then it makes no difference at all to my arrival time. Driving fun for me is on race tracks.vonhosen said:
RobM77 said:
jogger1976 said:
To remove any semblance of doubt (Paticularly for Vonhosen ) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!
I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
I've been addicted to Euro road trips for as long as I can remember. It's not just the sensible speed limits, it's the fact that the roads are so much quieter to drive on, people use their indicators and they aren't fuming mad at your mere presence. What I do now in the UK is sit at 65-70mph with the cruise on - I know for sure that I won't be caught for speeding, and sitting in lane one watching all the tailgating game playing tts come past you only re-affirms your strategy to chill out and take a few minutes longer getting to your destination. What's more, if congestion slows the usual 80-90mph procession (my commute isn't that heavily trafficked, so lanes two and three move at that speed), then it makes no difference at all to my arrival time. Driving fun for me is on race tracks.RobM77 said:
vonhosen said:
RobM77 said:
jogger1976 said:
To remove any semblance of doubt (Paticularly for Vonhosen ) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!
I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
I've been addicted to Euro road trips for as long as I can remember. It's not just the sensible speed limits, it's the fact that the roads are so much quieter to drive on, people use their indicators and they aren't fuming mad at your mere presence. What I do now in the UK is sit at 65-70mph with the cruise on - I know for sure that I won't be caught for speeding, and sitting in lane one watching all the tailgating game playing tts come past you only re-affirms your strategy to chill out and take a few minutes longer getting to your destination. What's more, if congestion slows the usual 80-90mph procession (my commute isn't that heavily trafficked, so lanes two and three move at that speed), then it makes no difference at all to my arrival time. Driving fun for me is on race tracks.Plenty of NSL fun roads in the UK where I go.
I drive in Germany, The roads I commute on are moderately busy and flowing. Except for urban areas most Germans seem to drive at just short of an indicated 20 km/h over the speed limit. Enforcement of speed limits is rare and penalties are low...for less than 20 km/h over the limit.
Country roads have a nice flowing feel, I'm shocked that I often don't feel the need to overtake. It is radically different to my experiences in the UK.
Autobahn is another story.
The downside is that Germany is more dangerous than the UK.
Country roads have a nice flowing feel, I'm shocked that I often don't feel the need to overtake. It is radically different to my experiences in the UK.
Autobahn is another story.
The downside is that Germany is more dangerous than the UK.
Kawasicki said:
The downside is that Germany is more dangerous than the UK.
Not by much. Most of Northern Europe have similarly good records when it comes to driving safely.Even if the Brits are obsessed by speed control as the sole way to do it.
The numbers tend to suggest that if you want real danger,
drive in Southern Europe. A different league of risk.
Mind you, avoid driving after 9pm in Southern Europe seems to substantially
reduce risk - mainly I suspect avoiding drunk drivers.
vonhosen said:
RobM77 said:
vonhosen said:
RobM77 said:
jogger1976 said:
To remove any semblance of doubt (Paticularly for Vonhosen ) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!
I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
) I was not saying that driving at 70mph was soul destroying. Fat bloody chance during my commute!I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough for certain people) that drivng in the UK "as a whole" is a soul-destroying experience. I am specifically talking about congestion, poor driving standards, terrible road surfaces, road rage and the lack of proper, physical roads policing to stamp out many of the above issues.
And that's before you get to think about managed motorways, blanket speed camera coverage on major roads, the exorbitant cost of fuel, insurance and RFL,and car hating morons like BRAKE trying their best to blame all the world's ills on motorists.
Here endeth the rant.
I've been addicted to Euro road trips for as long as I can remember. It's not just the sensible speed limits, it's the fact that the roads are so much quieter to drive on, people use their indicators and they aren't fuming mad at your mere presence. What I do now in the UK is sit at 65-70mph with the cruise on - I know for sure that I won't be caught for speeding, and sitting in lane one watching all the tailgating game playing tts come past you only re-affirms your strategy to chill out and take a few minutes longer getting to your destination. What's more, if congestion slows the usual 80-90mph procession (my commute isn't that heavily trafficked, so lanes two and three move at that speed), then it makes no difference at all to my arrival time. Driving fun for me is on race tracks.Plenty of NSL fun roads in the UK where I go.
Speed in a straight line is rarely ever fun, but I think the issue most people have with the 70mph limit is the lack of sensory input on a wide three lane motorway and the boredom that leads to. As I say, I normally sit at 65mph and listen to Radio 4 or language CDs - that's my solution.RobM77 said:
Speed in a straight line is rarely ever fun, but I think the issue most people have with the 70mph limit is the lack of sensory input on a wide three lane motorway and the boredom that leads to.
As anyone who's been sitting on the A303 for 40 minutes can attest when they suddenly arrive at a roundabout!vonhosen said:
80mph v 70mph on motorways makes little or no difference to me. They aren't fun roads, they are just to cover miles. If I want fun driving I avoid them whether they are 70mph or 80mph.
Plenty of NSL fun roads in the UK where I go.
It does to me; 70mph in a modern car is too slow and can easily become mind-numbing. I much prefer 80mph for that reason. Plenty of NSL fun roads in the UK where I go.
I am one of the few who likes covering long distances if the traffic is moving well, in fact I really enjoy it sometimes.
mwstewart said:
vonhosen said:
80mph v 70mph on motorways makes little or no difference to me. They aren't fun roads, they are just to cover miles. If I want fun driving I avoid them whether they are 70mph or 80mph.
Plenty of NSL fun roads in the UK where I go.
It does to me; 70mph in a modern car is too slow and can easily become mind-numbing. I much prefer 80mph for that reason. Plenty of NSL fun roads in the UK where I go.
I am one of the few who likes covering long distances if the traffic is moving well, in fact I really enjoy it sometimes.
That's why I say 80 limit v 70 limit doesn't matter to me, it's pretty much the same thing.
vonhosen said:
mwstewart said:
vonhosen said:
80mph v 70mph on motorways makes little or no difference to me. They aren't fun roads, they are just to cover miles. If I want fun driving I avoid them whether they are 70mph or 80mph.
Plenty of NSL fun roads in the UK where I go.
It does to me; 70mph in a modern car is too slow and can easily become mind-numbing. I much prefer 80mph for that reason. Plenty of NSL fun roads in the UK where I go.
I am one of the few who likes covering long distances if the traffic is moving well, in fact I really enjoy it sometimes.
That's why I say 80 limit v 70 limit doesn't matter to me, it's pretty much the same thing.
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