The end of cruising at 85 mph on the motorway?

[frankenstein12]

caelite said:

Mike_Mac said:

caelite said:

AH33 said:

Sorry officer, my number plate fell off

Thats pretty much the A9 between perth and dunblaine now. Every 2nd van you see is either missing a plate or is mysteriously obscured with st.

Oh dear... Maybe if there were more marked Police cars on the roads looking for and pulling people for actual bad driving etc, rather than cameras purely focused on speed, such naughtiness would be picked up on. But then the revenue would drop. Can't have that.

Or just modify the law so that the majority dont see the need to break it.
Increase the limits for DCs and Motorways (80 would bring us inline with most of the EU, personally Id say fk it and go straight to 90)EDIT: Maybe keeping the DC at 70 and increasing Mway to 80/90* Just thought about the condition of a lot of the countries dual carriageways.
Remove pointless 40 and 50mph restrictions previously NSL roads
Bring B class (<3.5ton) vans in line with cars speed limit wise, the lower limits are archaic and easily circumvented
Remove pointless 20mph limits from towns, reserving them only for schools zones and other areas where they are REALLY needed

If a large portion of the public dont follow the law then the law is wrong not the public.

Edited by caelite on Friday 30th September 16:03

Unfortunately this wont work....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/it-...

he driver of a damaged van, who declined to give his name, said: “It was so foggy, you couldn’t see anything in front of you. By the time there was a problem, it was too late. The bridge shouldn’t have been open.”

I remember reading about it at the time and people involved were saying they would not have crashed if there had been signs warning them it was foggy and to slow down.

Most people in this country are uncapable of driving a car and as such I dont think speed limits are unreasonable.

That being said there was a trial in the northern territories where they removed speed limits on an open freeway/motorway and accidents went down so there is something to be said for not applying speed limits at all.

[speedking31]

In the fog is the only time to speed now because the cameras can't see you

[boxedin]

frankenstein12 said:

When passing onramps quick mirror glance shoulder check to see if plod are sat up the ramp waiting for someone to whizz on by. (This is a favourite trick on the M11/A14 between Bishops Stortford and Cambridgeshire.

A variant on this is where its possible to leave the road and rejoin a few 000metres further on. A prime example was a marked car who was behind me shot up an off ramp on the A13 ( where one the of flyovers used to be ) so I slowed down to around 15 mph and crawled along the few hundred metres to the next down ramp. I'd timed it well as he re-joined the road in front of me. I resisted the urge to wave, I was on a bike.

I've seen it done at suitable motorway junctions before too.

[Riley Blue]

A) They do indeed flash as has already been stated.

B) By this time next month they should all be painted yellow.

C) They can be used to enforce any speed limit.

[Mike_Mac]

frankenstein12 said:

caelite said:

Mike_Mac said:

caelite said:

AH33 said:

Sorry officer, my number plate fell off

Thats pretty much the A9 between perth and dunblaine now. Every 2nd van you see is either missing a plate or is mysteriously obscured with st.

Oh dear... Maybe if there were more marked Police cars on the roads looking for and pulling people for actual bad driving etc, rather than cameras purely focused on speed, such naughtiness would be picked up on. But then the revenue would drop. Can't have that.

Or just modify the law so that the majority dont see the need to break it.
Increase the limits for DCs and Motorways (80 would bring us inline with most of the EU, personally Id say fk it and go straight to 90)EDIT: Maybe keeping the DC at 70 and increasing Mway to 80/90* Just thought about the condition of a lot of the countries dual carriageways.
Remove pointless 40 and 50mph restrictions previously NSL roads
Bring B class (<3.5ton) vans in line with cars speed limit wise, the lower limits are archaic and easily circumvented
Remove pointless 20mph limits from towns, reserving them only for schools zones and other areas where they are REALLY needed

If a large portion of the public dont follow the law then the law is wrong not the public.

Edited by caelite on Friday 30th September 16:03

Unfortunately this wont work....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/it-...

he driver of a damaged van, who declined to give his name, said: “It was so foggy, you couldn’t see anything in front of you. By the time there was a problem, it was too late. The bridge shouldn’t have been open.”

I remember reading about it at the time and people involved were saying they would not have crashed if there had been signs warning them it was foggy and to slow down.

Most people in this country are incapable of driving a car and as such I don't think speed limits are unreasonable.

That being said there was a trial in the northern territories where they removed speed limits on an open freeway/motorway and accidents went down so there is something to be said for not applying speed limits at all.

And if it was foggy then 70 wasn't an appropriate speed either, so the limit was irrelevant.

Personally I agree totally with caelite, especially about being selective in applying lower limits like 20 etc. I was particularly struck with this when I was in Kansas afew years back. All the limits in/around towns were constantly varying depending on the environment, in a really obvious and understandable way. Same with schools - at certain times (when kids were likely to be around) the limit was lowered, otherwise it was higher, but still lower than the surroundings. Made perfect sense. Likewise I've driven across Europe loads of times and 80 was, strangely enough, perfectly safe.

Saying that, the condition of our roads, with the exception of Belgium, is shocking, but motorways are among the best maintained, so again, why still 70?

[Otispunkmeyer]

Chris Stott said:

These are on the M1 and on the M25 at various points... I've been through them at high 80's and no NIP's so far.

Never seen them flash other traffic so far either.

I've seen a few go... but there were reduced limits in place at the time. Pretty harsh mind, they got one guy basically on the first gantry saying 60. I guess you could argue he should have been at 60 before he got there, but I know many coast down a bit late and are still above when they get there.

[Otispunkmeyer]

caelite said:

Mike_Mac said:

caelite said:

AH33 said:

Sorry officer, my number plate fell off

Thats pretty much the A9 between perth and dunblaine now. Every 2nd van you see is either missing a plate or is mysteriously obscured with st.

Oh dear... Maybe if there were more marked Police cars on the roads looking for and pulling people for actual bad driving etc, rather than cameras purely focused on speed, such naughtiness would be picked up on. But then the revenue would drop. Can't have that.

Or just modify the law so that the majority dont see the need to break it.
Increase the limits for DCs and Motorways (80 would bring us inline with most of the EU, personally Id say fk it and go straight to 90)EDIT: Maybe keeping the DC at 70 and increasing Mway to 80/90* Just thought about the condition of a lot of the countries dual carriageways.
Remove pointless 40 and 50mph restrictions previously NSL roads
Bring B class (<3.5ton) vans in line with cars speed limit wise, the lower limits are archaic and easily circumvented
Remove pointless 20mph limits from towns, reserving them only for schools zones and other areas where they are REALLY needed

If a large portion of the public dont follow the law then the law is wrong not the public.

Edited by caelite on Friday 30th September 16:03

You could make DC's 100mph and it wouldn't matter. Every one I've been on recently (bar the A19 from the M1 to Middlesbrough) has had too many HGVs doing their rolling road block routine to get much above 60 mph.

[ZX10R NIN]

Get yourselves one of these:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...

Also a tell tale of when they're coming up is that there are 3 white CCTV Cameras side by side about the height of a 7.5 ton truck that are around 300 yards before the cameras.

[bodhi]

I drive up and down this section of road at least 3 times a week to get to work, and can tell you if it's flowing and you're doing 85, you may want to stay out of the outside lane as stuff WILL be going faster than you - and I am still yet to see a camera flash.

In fact I'd go as far as to say that between 13 and 11 speeds have actually gone UP since they added the extra lanes and installed cameras.

[CoolHands]

Do what I do and brake for each one to about 80, then floor it back up to a hundred. Its great for road safety too!

[Chris Stott]

Otispunkmeyer said:

I've seen a few go... but there were reduced limits in place at the time. Pretty harsh mind, they got one guy basically on the first gantry saying 60. I guess you could argue he should have been at 60 before he got there, but I know many coast down a bit late and are still above when they get there.

With reduced limits in place, I stay within 10mph of the posted limit. Otherwise I continue at whatever pace I feel comfortable with. If I get pinged, I'll take the 3pts and be more circumspect in future!

[WJNB]

You are NEVER going to beat the system so set the cruise to 75mph & relax. You sure 'ain't going to get anywhere much quicker by driving an extra few mph & then what are you going to do with the extra minutes saved?

[fr 150 boy]

AH33 said:

Quite right, These days you can sit on a runway blocking planes all day with your ridiculous name, smelly dreads and equally sad mates and get away with a 200 quid fine, I don't see why your number plate falling off couldn't be classed as "protest"

TOO RIGHT MATE, I'm ripping my plates off

[Petrolhead_Rich]

frankenstein12 said:

Most people in this country are uncapable of driving a car and as such I dont think speed limits are unreasonable.

PH Spelling Police

[OwenK]

WJNB said:

You are NEVER going to beat the system so set the cruise to 75mph & relax. You sure 'ain't going to get anywhere much quicker by driving an extra few mph & then what are you going to do with the extra minutes saved?

It's not about saving time. It's about driving at a speed that keeps you fully engaged with the task at hand, observant and focused. Yes you SHOULD be fully observant and focused at any speed, but the reality is that human beings just don't work like that.

[rich888]

OwenK said:

WJNB said:

You are NEVER going to beat the system so set the cruise to 75mph & relax. You sure 'ain't going to get anywhere much quicker by driving an extra few mph & then what are you going to do with the extra minutes saved?

It's not about saving time. It's about driving at a speed that keeps you fully engaged with the task at hand, observant and focused. Yes you SHOULD be fully observant and focused at any speed, but the reality is that human beings just don't work like that.

Unfortunately speed limits are the new window tax and have nothing to do with saving lives, it's just very convenient for government to spout off about saving lives when they are defending silly speed limits. Now if they were really serious about saving lives they would introduce speed limiters, but that would reduce the number of speeding fines and also reduce fuel consumption, which would result in less tax revenue per given mile, basically they want us to speed like they want us to smoke... for better or worse governments need tax revenue and motorists are currently a pretty juicy cash cow.

[pollysmate]

I've seen these flash on the M25 many times, seems to catch a lot of people out

[2stis]

All that jazz said:

DIW35 said:

I recently got a NIP for doing 80 in a 70

Just south of Ipswich DIW35? I recently got my first ever NIP for going through there too fast earlier in the month... 79mph in a 70!

[Gary C]

Christ, 80 being off limits ! what is the world coming too

80's and cruising at 100 in light traffic was the norm and no-one really got wound up.

Now we are so tightly regulated, people seem to get so angry when they loose 1-2 minutes as it cant be made up.

Cross country driving is no fun as your always on the lookout for sneaky 40 limits with cameras on open roads. A blast across wales was always fun, but i bet its a nightmare now.

Can only enjoy a nice progressive drive on local, known roads now.

[Z06George]

Well the M4 will be screwed if they ever get them. You get stuck with the trucks/coaches if you do less than 80 on there.