Cyclist Blocked on Pedestrian Crossing
Discussion
RichB said:
Devil2575 said:
RichB said:
I think that by and large motor enthusiasts tend to be the better drivers on the road because they take an interest on driving, doing track days and generally maintaining their cars leads to better driving standards.
I'd be amazed if this was actually the case to be honest.Back OT.
Bike rider was a knob for going through when the ped was there. I wouldn't do it. And seemingly in that vid no one else on a bike did either. But as ever one person being a knob means all people who like bikes are knobs to the mentally challenged people.
But I've often wondered if the people that scream the most about "all bike riders jump red lights" "must have number plates" "must have fully comp insurance" (for the handful of times a bike rider actually hits another person or their vehicle with enough force to actually injure or damage) are actually just pissed off that they can't do the same in their car. They feel that the bike riders are exploiting a rule (or requirements) they also want to exploit. It's not about road safety. In their feeble minds. Its not fair and if they cant break the rules easily. No one else must either!
the pips said:
First of all the taxi had a perfectly clear view of the crossing and could see that it was safe to proceed. I bet most of us that drive in town would do exactly the same.
The cyclist couldn't possibly have had a clear view of the crossing, he didn't slow down and was relying on everyone staying out of his way. Unfortunately for him, the pedestrian didn't! What if he had seen the cyclist bearing down on him and stepped back? Not all pedestrian actions are predictable!
Do I think the cyclist was in the wrong? Absolutely!
Did I think the pedestrian was out of order. No I don't, I wish I had the strength of character to remonstrate with a thoughtless road-user.
How is it safe for the taxi to proceed if it's not safe for the cyclist to proceed? The pedestrian could have stepped back in front of the taxi just as easily as in front of the cyclist. I doubt he would have done it in front of the taxi though, if he had seen him closely passing behind him, because trying to confront the taxi would have posed more danger.. The cyclist couldn't possibly have had a clear view of the crossing, he didn't slow down and was relying on everyone staying out of his way. Unfortunately for him, the pedestrian didn't! What if he had seen the cyclist bearing down on him and stepped back? Not all pedestrian actions are predictable!
Do I think the cyclist was in the wrong? Absolutely!
Did I think the pedestrian was out of order. No I don't, I wish I had the strength of character to remonstrate with a thoughtless road-user.
TheInternet said:
thecremeegg said:
And as usual the pro-cyclist lot trot out the same nonsense about car driving standards being worse etc etc.
Most of the cyclists on this thread and others have stated they think the one in the clip was a dick. Don't lump all cyclists in together.Around cities like London these people use bicycles because it's fashionable and the fastest way to travel, especially if they flout all the traffic laws. They might grow hip beards, spend £20.00 on a bowl of cornflakes in a trendy breakfast cafe and join in with shouting at evil motorists taking their cars into the city, but at the weekend and on longer work journeys they'll still be two inches off your rear bumper in their Audis.
A guy who lived nextdoor to me played golf for a while, got bored with it and went through a cycling phase. He was a t
t on a bicycle for a while until he got bored with it, hung it up in his garage and went back to being a tt in his Audi.funkyrobot said:
As a considerate cyclist, I despair at what the idiots do to give us a bad name.
Its the same with everything though. There are idiots who drive, walk and ride.
Likewise, but, as you say, you get idiots who drive, walk and ride. I ride across the crossing in the video every day and saw a car this morning on a crossing very near to it do exactly the same as the cyclist did. As long as the cyclist is crossing behind with a large enough gap for error and not at full pelt, I don't really see a problem with it to be honest.Its the same with everything though. There are idiots who drive, walk and ride.
Rich_W said:
Nah I think you're right. Take 100 car enthusiasts. Take 100 non car people who use them purely for function. School Runs, commuting, shopping. The Car enthusiasts cars will be in better shape maintenance wise. The latter view the MOT as a service, only do the bare minimum if they DO have a service.
Firstly I think your wrong on that. Plenty of non car people get their cars serviced correctly. Your view of how non car people view the MOT is simply wrong IMHO.Secondly how has that got anything to do with a whether or not they behave like a knob when driving?
Devil2575 said:
Rich_W said:
Nah I think you're right. Take 100 car enthusiasts. Take 100 non car people who use them purely for function. School Runs, commuting, shopping. The Car enthusiasts cars will be in better shape maintenance wise. The latter view the MOT as a service, only do the bare minimum if they DO have a service.
Firstly I think your wrong on that. Plenty of non car people get their cars serviced correctly. Your view of how non car people view the MOT is simply wrong IMHO.Secondly how has that got anything to do with a whether or not they behave like a knob when driving?
Secondly, he has a strong point, just poorly argued.
Car enthusiasts will, on the whole, be better and more attentive drivers with better maintained cars than Mr/Mrs couldn't-give-a-s
t/cars are just transport. Ergo, they will be less likely to be knobs around build-up areas/traffic etc.Ditto cyclists. Cycle enthusiast (i.e. leisure cyclists) will typically have better maintained bikes with more courteous riders than commuting Mr/Ms couldn't-give-a-s
t/bikes are just transport.Devil2575 said:
funkyrobot said:
As a considerate cyclist, I despair at what the idiots do to give us a bad name.
Its the same with everything though. There are idiots who drive, walk and ride.
I despair that poeple are so keen to stereotype a whole group on the behaviour of a few. Its the same with everything though. There are idiots who drive, walk and ride.
Ares said:
Devil2575 said:
Rich_W said:
Nah I think you're right. Take 100 car enthusiasts. Take 100 non car people who use them purely for function. School Runs, commuting, shopping. The Car enthusiasts cars will be in better shape maintenance wise. The latter view the MOT as a service, only do the bare minimum if they DO have a service.
Firstly I think your wrong on that. Plenty of non car people get their cars serviced correctly. Your view of how non car people view the MOT is simply wrong IMHO.Secondly how has that got anything to do with a whether or not they behave like a knob when driving?
Secondly, he has a strong point, just poorly argued.
Car enthusiasts will, on the whole, be better and more attentive drivers with better maintained cars than Mr/Mrs couldn't-give-a-s
t/cars are just transport. Ergo, they will be less likely to be knobs around build-up areas/traffic etc.Ditto cyclists. Cycle enthusiast (i.e. leisure cyclists) will typically have better maintained bikes with more courteous riders than commuting Mr/Ms couldn't-give-a-s
t/bikes are just transport.I don't agree with the point no matter how it's argued or at least it is at best a hypothesis without any evidence to back it up.
Just read some of the threads where people have been caught speeding in 30 limits to get a feel for just how attentive some of the enthusiasts on this site are. I also think you have created a false dichotomy, where there are only enthusiasts with superbly maintained cars and then the "Couldn't give a s
t" types. I think the majority of drivers don't fit either of these two extremes. I know plenty of people who aren't into cars but who maintain them just fine. I also know some enthusiasts who aren't as attentive as you make out. I think that a non enthusiast may well be less likely to want to 'make progress', be more likely to obey the posted limit, be less competetive etc etc. My father couldn't give a crap about cars however he gets it serviced on the button every time it needs it, he isn't a fabulous driver but he always leaves a big gap and he is completely emotionally detached from driving. He never gets angry or irritated. In short how good or bad someones driving is will be a lot more complicated than simply trying to separate it based on how into cars you are. There are plenty of aspects to being an enthusiast that may well make you a worse driver. After all I'm sure that everyone at a Max Power cruise would regard themselves as a motoring enthusiast but I'd wager that there is a surplus of tttish behaviour.The point you make about cyclists is the exact opposite of the point that was made earlier.
http://www.motordefenceteam.co.uk/offence-guide/pe...
..."2.no vehicle should overtake in the "controlled area" of the crossing (usually indicated by zig-zag lines);... "
shouldn't be filtering through traffic either
..."2.no vehicle should overtake in the "controlled area" of the crossing (usually indicated by zig-zag lines);... "
shouldn't be filtering through traffic either
Devil2575 said:
Ares said:
Devil2575 said:
Rich_W said:
Nah I think you're right. Take 100 car enthusiasts. Take 100 non car people who use them purely for function. School Runs, commuting, shopping. The Car enthusiasts cars will be in better shape maintenance wise. The latter view the MOT as a service, only do the bare minimum if they DO have a service.
Firstly I think your wrong on that. Plenty of non car people get their cars serviced correctly. Your view of how non car people view the MOT is simply wrong IMHO.Secondly how has that got anything to do with a whether or not they behave like a knob when driving?
Secondly, he has a strong point, just poorly argued.
Car enthusiasts will, on the whole, be better and more attentive drivers with better maintained cars than Mr/Mrs couldn't-give-a-s
t/cars are just transport. Ergo, they will be less likely to be knobs around build-up areas/traffic etc.Ditto cyclists. Cycle enthusiast (i.e. leisure cyclists) will typically have better maintained bikes with more courteous riders than commuting Mr/Ms couldn't-give-a-s
t/bikes are just transport.I don't agree with the point no matter how it's argued or at least it is at best a hypothesis without any evidence to back it up.
Just read some of the threads where people have been caught speeding in 30 limits to get a feel for just how attentive some of the enthusiasts on this site are. I also think you have created a false dichotomy, where there are only enthusiasts with superbly maintained cars and then the "Couldn't give a s
t" types. I think the majority of drivers don't fit either of these two extremes. I know plenty of people who aren't into cars but who maintain them just fine. I also know some enthusiasts who aren't as attentive as you make out. I think that a non enthusiast may well be less likely to want to 'make progress', be more likely to obey the posted limit, be less competetive etc etc. My father couldn't give a crap about cars however he gets it serviced on the button every time it needs it, he isn't a fabulous driver but he always leaves a big gap and he is completely emotionally detached from driving. He never gets angry or irritated. In short how good or bad someones driving is will be a lot more complicated than simply trying to separate it based on how into cars you are. There are plenty of aspects to being an enthusiast that may well make you a worse driver. After all I'm sure that everyone at a Max Power cruise would regard themselves as a motoring enthusiast but I'd wager that there is a surplus of tttish behaviour.The point you make about cyclists is the exact opposite of the point that was made earlier.
And I don't say only enthusiasts have well maintained cars, but from personal experience, majority of enthusiasts will be more aware on the roads, and more aware of their cars. Three of my neighbours who have no interest in driving, have no idea when their service is due, when their MOT is due and never check tyres/oil etc. My wife also falls into that category. Majority of enthusiasts I know do check these things.
As for the cyclist point/opposite - I CBA reading 9 pages of anti-bike diatribe, so forgive me. I'm right, they are wrong. Lesuire cyclists are far far far better on the road than commuters. ;-)
cootuk said:
http://www.motordefenceteam.co.uk/offence-guide/pe...
..."2.no vehicle should overtake in the "controlled area" of the crossing (usually indicated by zig-zag lines);... "
shouldn't be filtering through traffic either
Wrong on both counts...."2.no vehicle should overtake in the "controlled area" of the crossing (usually indicated by zig-zag lines);... "
shouldn't be filtering through traffic either
Ares said:
Most people speeding is nothing to do with awareness. Most know fine well they are going more than 30. Making progress is nothing to do with awareness!....those emotionally detached from driving however are often the ones who inadvertently knock over the cyclist (two friends in the last 12 months knocked off their bikes by absent minded drivers, both quite clearly not enthusiasts given their choice of car ;-) )
And I don't say only enthusiasts have well maintained cars, but from personal experience, majority of enthusiasts will be more aware on the roads, and more aware of their cars. Three of my neighbours who have no interest in driving, have no idea when their service is due, when their MOT is due and never check tyres/oil etc. My wife also falls into that category. Majority of enthusiasts I know do check these things.
As for the cyclist point/opposite - I CBA reading 9 pages of anti-bike diatribe, so forgive me. I'm right, they are wrong. Lesuire cyclists are far far far better on the road than commuters. ;-)
The reality is that this is just what you think and I'm going to wager that you think it because it fits your world view. However the reality is that neither you nor I know the answer we are only guessing based on what we think sounds plausible.And I don't say only enthusiasts have well maintained cars, but from personal experience, majority of enthusiasts will be more aware on the roads, and more aware of their cars. Three of my neighbours who have no interest in driving, have no idea when their service is due, when their MOT is due and never check tyres/oil etc. My wife also falls into that category. Majority of enthusiasts I know do check these things.
As for the cyclist point/opposite - I CBA reading 9 pages of anti-bike diatribe, so forgive me. I'm right, they are wrong. Lesuire cyclists are far far far better on the road than commuters. ;-)
You have come up with reasons why motoring enthusiasts would be better drivers, I can come up with reasons why they wouldn't. I suspect that the answer is that it makes very little difference. By making progress I mean wanting to drive fast. If one of your main interests is having a spirited drive in your sports car then having someone in front who you cannot easily pass who is driving a lower than the speed limit is going to cause immense frustration. It's not like all that is at stake is the time you will reach your destination, it's the fact that this driver is spoiling your enjoyment of the drive.
I think that one of the bigest factors in how good a driver you are is attitude and temperament. neither of these have any connection to whether you are a motoring enthusiast or not. An enthusiast can just as easily have an over inflated view of his own self importance and think that other drivers should get out of his way.
I think you're confusing emotional detachment from not caring.
heebeegeetee said:
If Pistonheads is in any way indicative of motoring enthusiasm, then I'm going to say that given the sheer number of cycling threads and given the views contained therein, there is no way that motoring enthusiasts can be thought to be better drivers.
A dhead paying attention to what they're doing is probably better than a nice-but-dim type sleepwalking their way through everything because they don't know any better.InitialDave said:
A dhead paying attention to what they're doing is probably better than a nice-but-dim type sleepwalking their way through everything because they don't know any better.
But I do wonder if it ever occurred to the nice-but-dim type sleepwalking driver that there is anything particularly challenging about cyclists, cos the song-and-dance the enthusiasts make... jeez. head paying attention to what they're doing is probably better than a nice-but-dim type sleepwalking their way through everything because they don't know any better.heebeegeetee said:
If Pistonheads is in any way indicative of motoring enthusiasm, then I'm going to say that given the sheer number of cycling threads and given the views contained therein, there is no way that motoring enthusiasts can be thought to be better drivers.
Could be easily argued motoring enthusiasm and 'motoring enthusiasts' are separate concepts. Just saying.heebeegeetee said:
If Pistonheads is in any way indicative of motoring enthusiasm, then I'm going to say that given the sheer number of cycling threads and given the views contained therein, there is no way that motoring enthusiasts can be thought to be better drivers.
I agree. People suggesting that what that cyclist did is OK is rather scary.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff