Cyclist Blocked on Pedestrian Crossing

Cyclist Blocked on Pedestrian Crossing

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anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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InitialDave said:
Nah, I just maintain my position and brace if necessary. Ten-stone roadie on a relatively light bike? Be like hitting a brick wall.
Ever tried that? Kinetic energy can be a real bd.

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

169 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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The trouble is that it can be a painful collision for both the cyclist and the pedestrian, I was struggling my way over a pedestrian crossing a few years ago in Winchester (on fluorescent pink crutches!) and a cyclist collided with me.

I had a grazed arm from where his handlebar hit. He had a ruined bicycle, ruined helmet (possibly the one between his legs too), badly grazed legs and a suspected fractured arm. There wasn't much left of his racing outfit either after he had rolled a few metres down the hill.

I don't think people realise how squishy and fragile the human body can be.

InitialDave

11,900 posts

119 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Greg66 said:
Ever tried that? Kinetic energy can be a real bd.
Yes.

I am not small. If I've readied myself for being hit, the average skinny roadie or teenager playing chicken comes off worse.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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InitialDave said:
Greg66 said:
Ever tried that? Kinetic energy can be a real bd.
Yes.

I am not small. If I've readied myself for being hit, the average skinny roadie or teenager playing chicken comes off worse.
That depends on what hits you and where it hits......

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Well, good luck with it. Hope that your inbound cyclist has his bar end plugs fitted too, because those thin.gs have a nasty knack of flipping round and are *very* effective at taking core samples.

When I used to be 85+kg, I would not have fancied crashing into someone at 25+mph. Not just for my sake.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

233 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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cyclist is a nob, but pedestrian didn't seem bothered by the black cab that did the exact same thing to him from the other direction

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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delta0 said:
Cyclists or cars can not move across a pedestrian crossing whilst a pedestrian is on it. As soon as a pedestrian places 1 foot on that crossing any vehicle crossing it can be prosecuted. Once there are no pedestrians on any part of the crossing vehicles can move again.
Is that in the HC or the regs delta0?

InitialDave

11,900 posts

119 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Greg66 said:
Well, good luck with it.
Thanks!

frisbee

4,979 posts

110 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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saaby93 said:
delta0 said:
Cyclists or cars can not move across a pedestrian crossing whilst a pedestrian is on it. As soon as a pedestrian places 1 foot on that crossing any vehicle crossing it can be prosecuted. Once there are no pedestrians on any part of the crossing vehicles can move again.
Is that in the HC or the regs delta0?
I think its the official rules of the Statues game.

numtumfutunch

4,723 posts

138 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Hugo a Gogo said:
cyclist is a nob, but pedestrian didn't seem bothered by the black cab that did the exact same thing to him from the other direction
Good point

popeyewhite

19,871 posts

120 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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numtumfutunch said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
cyclist is a nob, but pedestrian didn't seem bothered by the black cab that did the exact same thing to him from the other direction
Good point
Not really, the pedestrian was x3 further from the cab than the pushbike when it passed, it also approached his blindside.

numtumfutunch

4,723 posts

138 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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popeyewhite said:
Not really, the pedestrian was x3 further from the cab than the pushbike when it passed, it also approached his blindside.
His blindside?
He did well to see it then

popeyewhite

19,871 posts

120 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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numtumfutunch said:
His blindside?
Yes, the cab approached his blindside. It's clear on the clip - it had nothing to do with him not being 'bothered'.

delta0

2,351 posts

106 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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saaby93 said:
Is that in the HC or the regs delta0?
Both. I have seen several cars stopped for ignoring a pedestrian on a crossing. Even had this experience myself as a pedestrian. 1 foot on the crossing and car failed to stop. Police car in the other side did a full u-turn and went after them.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

137 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Steve vRS said:
MarshPhantom said:
Cycling test. Let kids ride bikes but if you want to carry on after 16 you have to a rather difficult exam.
Another one. See my post above. Drivers pass one test at 17 and then proceed to ignore everything they were taught.

Steve (cyclist and IAM member)
If drivers were as bad as you say they would get they would get themselves banned, not possible with cyclists.

Riley Blue

20,955 posts

226 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Max5476 said:
plasticpig said:
The pedestrian did have a reason. His reason was to make the cyclist aware they were breaking the law. Perhaps the pedestrian has a sense of civil duty in these matters.
the pedestrian is as bad as the cyclist, definitely stayed on the crossing longer than was necessary to cross.


19. No pedestrian shall remain on the carriageway within the limits of a crossing longer than is necessary for that pedestrian to pass over the crossing with reasonable despatch.
The three other pedestrians on the crossing at the same time, one walking left to right towards the cyclist (freeze the video at 0.07secs.), were they all staying longer than necessary? If you think it is acceptable for cyclists to proceed with several people on a pedestrian crossing, quote the relevant paragraph that permits it.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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MarshPhantom said:
Steve vRS said:
MarshPhantom said:
Cycling test. Let kids ride bikes but if you want to carry on after 16 you have to a rather difficult exam.
Another one. See my post above. Drivers pass one test at 17 and then proceed to ignore everything they were taught.

Steve (cyclist and IAM member)
If drivers were as bad as you say they would get they would get themselves banned, not possible with cyclists.
Vol II
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

It's people not their mode of transport. Ped was a knobber as was the single person on a bike...

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Oilchange said:
Room maybe but the pedestrian was still on the carriageway and has right of way. Therefor, all traffic must stop.
The cyclist thought he didn't have to. He did.
Vehicles, including bikes, don't have to STOP, but they have to give precedence.

The bit of the law:-
Quote:- "25.—
(1) Every pedestrian, if he is on the carriageway within the limits of a Zebra crossing, which is not for the time being controlled by a constable in uniform or traffic warden, before any part of a vehicle has entered those limits, shall have precedence within those limits over that vehicle and the driver of the vehicle shall accord such precedence to any such pedestrian.

(2) Where there is a refuge for pedestrians or central reservation on a Zebra crossing, the parts of the crossing situated on each side of the refuge for pedestrians or central reservation shall, for the purposes of this regulation, be treated as separate crossings".End of quote.


Byker28i

59,816 posts

217 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Standard London issue isn't it?
The cyclists are trying to beat their best time, hop on and off pavements, don't stop for red lights, through zebras whilst people are crossing.
Take the big city selfishness, everyone out for themselves, then stick that person on a bike.

The cyclist was surprised as he thought London rules applied.

Well done the pedestrian, kept his hands down, stayed on the crossing. You'd hope the cyclist might think about his road craft in future, but secretly we all know thats the type who think they are right and will keep doing it.

Can't believe anyone thinks this is anything but the cyclist in the wrong and the ped pointing it out to them.

Oilchange

8,462 posts

260 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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You are correct.
I think that cyclist would have needed to stop to give precedence in that situation as he didn't even consider whether someone was entering, he just blasted through.
The Mad Monk said:
Vehicles, including bikes, don't have to STOP, but they have to give precedence.