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Dusty964 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
You do realise this thread is about chauffeur driven cars, not F1 rocketships, right?
Or perhaps your idea of a chauffeur driven car is something unsafe and unreliable?
You are right. Its about chauffer driven cars, not F1 or rocketships.Or perhaps your idea of a chauffeur driven car is something unsafe and unreliable?
Nor reliabilty. The best to be a passenger in, and the best to drive.
Having read the article, it mentions 7 series, Rolls Royce and several others.
But not the winner of the JD survey.
The flip side of your comment is, the cars you mention are JD powers losers. The Lexus LS won it 15 times straight against all comers, and was world car of the year. Tell me, what degree of quality can any of those other cars claim?
Don't waste your time answering. The answer is either zero, or close to zero. Better luck next time with a tangential attempt.
big_rob_sydney said:
I'm not sure what chauffer is (chauffeur?), nor reliabilty (reliability?), but either way, you won't be going far if your engine fails. I would suggest reliability and quality would be rather important in this segment. Imagine the embarrassment of being in an expensive car waiting for the AA to save you...
The flip side of your comment is, the cars you mention are JD powers losers. The Lexus LS won it 15 times straight against all comers, and was world car of the year. Tell me, what degree of quality can any of those other cars claim?
Don't waste your time answering. The answer is either zero, or close to zero. Better luck next time with a tangential attempt.
Well done on picking up on a couple of typos. Fingers crossed they helped you crack one out.The flip side of your comment is, the cars you mention are JD powers losers. The Lexus LS won it 15 times straight against all comers, and was world car of the year. Tell me, what degree of quality can any of those other cars claim?
Don't waste your time answering. The answer is either zero, or close to zero. Better luck next time with a tangential attempt.
I dont consider it a waste of time answering- if the beloved Lexus won the JD survey, every other car is by definition a loser.
That said, I still see plenty of mercs, 7 series BMW and even Volvo used for the very purpose being discussed.
The only Lexus used are for slightly higher quality taxis than the government run cars. Further, the hard shoulders of the various roads are far from festooned with discarded cars from the list above.
Having been in 7 series, S classes, Various Bentley models, and several Rolls Royce, A8 Audis, Range Rovers of several types and on the odd occasion a couple of Quattroportes I have never once wished that I was in Lexus, nor been overly concerned with breaking down.
As much as they are reliable, there are many more comfortable, better specced and roomier places to be transported about in.
Dusty964 said:
Well done on picking up on a couple of typos. Fingers crossed they helped you crack one out.
I dont consider it a waste of time answering- if the beloved Lexus won the JD survey, every other car is by definition a loser.
That said, I still see plenty of mercs, 7 series BMW and even Volvo used for the very purpose being discussed.
The only Lexus used are for slightly higher quality taxis than the government run cars. Further, the hard shoulders of the various roads are far from festooned with discarded cars from the list above.
Having been in 7 series, S classes, Various Bentley models, and several Rolls Royce, A8 Audis, Range Rovers of several types and on the odd occasion a couple of Quattroportes I have never once wished that I was in Lexus, nor been overly concerned with breaking down.
As much as they are reliable, there are many more comfortable, better specced and roomier places to be transported about in.
At least we agree on something; yes, every other car is by definition a loser.I dont consider it a waste of time answering- if the beloved Lexus won the JD survey, every other car is by definition a loser.
That said, I still see plenty of mercs, 7 series BMW and even Volvo used for the very purpose being discussed.
The only Lexus used are for slightly higher quality taxis than the government run cars. Further, the hard shoulders of the various roads are far from festooned with discarded cars from the list above.
Having been in 7 series, S classes, Various Bentley models, and several Rolls Royce, A8 Audis, Range Rovers of several types and on the odd occasion a couple of Quattroportes I have never once wished that I was in Lexus, nor been overly concerned with breaking down.
As much as they are reliable, there are many more comfortable, better specced and roomier places to be transported about in.
Whilst we're on the subject of these other cars, if, as you claim, these other (loser) cars are so good, then how come they haven't picked up any quality awards as per the Lexus LS?
I can't wait to hear this one.
After two weeks buckarooing dangerously round a Greek island in a Jimny a W221 E Class turned up to take me and the family to their airport. Bliss.
The ride was sublime. Helped, as the driver pointed out, by the povvo-spec wheels and pillow-y tyres.
It was astonishingly smooth.
The least limo-like limo I can remember was a Bangle era 7 Series with those cotton reel wheels. Utterly appalling ride in the back.
From a passengering perspective Mercedes have traditionally been extremely good at this sort of thing.
The ride was sublime. Helped, as the driver pointed out, by the povvo-spec wheels and pillow-y tyres.
It was astonishingly smooth.
The least limo-like limo I can remember was a Bangle era 7 Series with those cotton reel wheels. Utterly appalling ride in the back.
From a passengering perspective Mercedes have traditionally been extremely good at this sort of thing.
[quote] Little wonder JLR is exploring the options for making the full fat Range Rover longer, more expensive and more luxurious. That comes at a cost to operators and clients alike though, money appearing to be more of an object than you might expect.
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Is exploring a different word for actually available as a product to buy?
http://www.landrover.co.uk/vehicles/range-rover/sv...
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Is exploring a different word for actually available as a product to buy?
http://www.landrover.co.uk/vehicles/range-rover/sv...
big_rob_sydney said:
Dusty964 said:
Well done on picking up on a couple of typos. Fingers crossed they helped you crack one out.
I dont consider it a waste of time answering- if the beloved Lexus won the JD survey, every other car is by definition a loser.
That said, I still see plenty of mercs, 7 series BMW and even Volvo used for the very purpose being discussed.
The only Lexus used are for slightly higher quality taxis than the government run cars. Further, the hard shoulders of the various roads are far from festooned with discarded cars from the list above.
Having been in 7 series, S classes, Various Bentley models, and several Rolls Royce, A8 Audis, Range Rovers of several types and on the odd occasion a couple of Quattroportes I have never once wished that I was in Lexus, nor been overly concerned with breaking down.
As much as they are reliable, there are many more comfortable, better specced and roomier places to be transported about in.
At least we agree on something; yes, every other car is by definition a loser.I dont consider it a waste of time answering- if the beloved Lexus won the JD survey, every other car is by definition a loser.
That said, I still see plenty of mercs, 7 series BMW and even Volvo used for the very purpose being discussed.
The only Lexus used are for slightly higher quality taxis than the government run cars. Further, the hard shoulders of the various roads are far from festooned with discarded cars from the list above.
Having been in 7 series, S classes, Various Bentley models, and several Rolls Royce, A8 Audis, Range Rovers of several types and on the odd occasion a couple of Quattroportes I have never once wished that I was in Lexus, nor been overly concerned with breaking down.
As much as they are reliable, there are many more comfortable, better specced and roomier places to be transported about in.
Whilst we're on the subject of these other cars, if, as you claim, these other (loser) cars are so good, then how come they haven't picked up any quality awards as per the Lexus LS?
I can't wait to hear this one.
How many people buy a car based solely on the results of a JD survey?
Since they are such amazing vehicles, how is it that I havent seen a single example used for the purpose being discussed?
Im sure they are wonderfully reliable, but that doesnt make them the best car for the purpose. If it did, surely I would see some- even one- being used in this role.
I havent.
big_rob_sydney said:
Dusty964 said:
Well done on picking up on a couple of typos. Fingers crossed they helped you crack one out.
I dont consider it a waste of time answering- if the beloved Lexus won the JD survey, every other car is by definition a loser.
That said, I still see plenty of mercs, 7 series BMW and even Volvo used for the very purpose being discussed.
The only Lexus used are for slightly higher quality taxis than the government run cars. Further, the hard shoulders of the various roads are far from festooned with discarded cars from the list above.
Having been in 7 series, S classes, Various Bentley models, and several Rolls Royce, A8 Audis, Range Rovers of several types and on the odd occasion a couple of Quattroportes I have never once wished that I was in Lexus, nor been overly concerned with breaking down.
As much as they are reliable, there are many more comfortable, better specced and roomier places to be transported about in.
At least we agree on something; yes, every other car is by definition a loser.I dont consider it a waste of time answering- if the beloved Lexus won the JD survey, every other car is by definition a loser.
That said, I still see plenty of mercs, 7 series BMW and even Volvo used for the very purpose being discussed.
The only Lexus used are for slightly higher quality taxis than the government run cars. Further, the hard shoulders of the various roads are far from festooned with discarded cars from the list above.
Having been in 7 series, S classes, Various Bentley models, and several Rolls Royce, A8 Audis, Range Rovers of several types and on the odd occasion a couple of Quattroportes I have never once wished that I was in Lexus, nor been overly concerned with breaking down.
As much as they are reliable, there are many more comfortable, better specced and roomier places to be transported about in.
Whilst we're on the subject of these other cars, if, as you claim, these other (loser) cars are so good, then how come they haven't picked up any quality awards as per the Lexus LS?
I can't wait to hear this one.
How many people buy a car based solely on the results of a JD survey?
Since they are such amazing vehicles, how is it that I havent seen a single example used for the purpose being discussed?
Im sure they are wonderfully reliable, but that doesnt make them the best car for the purpose. If it did, surely I would see some- even one- being used in this role.
I havent.
Dusty964 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Dusty964 said:
Well done on picking up on a couple of typos. Fingers crossed they helped you crack one out.
I dont consider it a waste of time answering- if the beloved Lexus won the JD survey, every other car is by definition a loser.
That said, I still see plenty of mercs, 7 series BMW and even Volvo used for the very purpose being discussed.
The only Lexus used are for slightly higher quality taxis than the government run cars. Further, the hard shoulders of the various roads are far from festooned with discarded cars from the list above.
Having been in 7 series, S classes, Various Bentley models, and several Rolls Royce, A8 Audis, Range Rovers of several types and on the odd occasion a couple of Quattroportes I have never once wished that I was in Lexus, nor been overly concerned with breaking down.
As much as they are reliable, there are many more comfortable, better specced and roomier places to be transported about in.
At least we agree on something; yes, every other car is by definition a loser.I dont consider it a waste of time answering- if the beloved Lexus won the JD survey, every other car is by definition a loser.
That said, I still see plenty of mercs, 7 series BMW and even Volvo used for the very purpose being discussed.
The only Lexus used are for slightly higher quality taxis than the government run cars. Further, the hard shoulders of the various roads are far from festooned with discarded cars from the list above.
Having been in 7 series, S classes, Various Bentley models, and several Rolls Royce, A8 Audis, Range Rovers of several types and on the odd occasion a couple of Quattroportes I have never once wished that I was in Lexus, nor been overly concerned with breaking down.
As much as they are reliable, there are many more comfortable, better specced and roomier places to be transported about in.
Whilst we're on the subject of these other cars, if, as you claim, these other (loser) cars are so good, then how come they haven't picked up any quality awards as per the Lexus LS?
I can't wait to hear this one.
How many people buy a car based solely on the results of a JD survey?
Since they are such amazing vehicles, how is it that I havent seen a single example used for the purpose being discussed?
Im sure they are wonderfully reliable, but that doesnt make them the best car for the purpose. If it did, surely I would see some- even one- being used in this role.
I havent.
Come back when one of your cars can exhibit an even remotely close semblance of quality. Until then, keep the AA number handy.
big_rob_sydney said:
Nice one. You have not answered the question because you know you've run into a brick wall, and can't make a credible response. Instead, you're making a pretty shallow attempt there. You haven't seen one, eh? I guess you've traveled the entire country, and know every single person then?
Come back when one of your cars can exhibit an even remotely close semblance of quality. Until then, keep the AA number handy.
Again- the fact that a car wins awards for reliability doesnt mean its the best to travel in.Come back when one of your cars can exhibit an even remotely close semblance of quality. Until then, keep the AA number handy.
Whilst I havent 'travelled the entire country, and know every single person' I have been resident here in Dubai for nearly 6 years. In that time I have never had a Lexus for anything other than Uber- a taxi. I have been picked up and dropped off in 7 series,A8 Audis, Bentleys, the occasional Rolls Royce, numerous S class Mercedes and the odd Volvo.
The 'credible response' is again that winning an award doesnt mean its the best car for the purposes of luxury transport.
Regarding 'Come back when one of your cars can exhibit an even remotely close semblance of quality. Until then, keep the AA number handy'. I drive an old S class- a 500L. Its never let me down, but the nappa leather and dvd screens along with the electric adjustment, heating and cooling and masses of legroom have never made a rear seat passenger mention Lexus.
Finally, for the terminally hard of thinking- a reliability award does not make your beloved Lexus the most comfortable, the best equipped nor the most refined for rear seat passengers.
I will take on board your points and go and educate the various high end hotel chains here that Big Rob reckons they are ALL wrong.
Dusty964 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Nice one. You have not answered the question because you know you've run into a brick wall, and can't make a credible response. Instead, you're making a pretty shallow attempt there. You haven't seen one, eh? I guess you've traveled the entire country, and know every single person then?
Come back when one of your cars can exhibit an even remotely close semblance of quality. Until then, keep the AA number handy.
Again- the fact that a car wins awards for reliability doesnt mean its the best to travel in.Come back when one of your cars can exhibit an even remotely close semblance of quality. Until then, keep the AA number handy.
Whilst I havent 'travelled the entire country, and know every single person' I have been resident here in Dubai for nearly 6 years. In that time I have never had a Lexus for anything other than Uber- a taxi. I have been picked up and dropped off in 7 series,A8 Audis, Bentleys, the occasional Rolls Royce, numerous S class Mercedes and the odd Volvo.
The 'credible response' is again that winning an award doesnt mean its the best car for the purposes of luxury transport.
Regarding 'Come back when one of your cars can exhibit an even remotely close semblance of quality. Until then, keep the AA number handy'. I drive an old S class- a 500L. Its never let me down, but the nappa leather and dvd screens along with the electric adjustment, heating and cooling and masses of legroom have never made a rear seat passenger mention Lexus.
Finally, for the terminally hard of thinking- a reliability award does not make your beloved Lexus the most comfortable, the best equipped nor the most refined for rear seat passengers.
I will take on board your points and go and educate the various high end hotel chains here that Big Rob reckons they are ALL wrong.
You have not addressed the issues of quality at all (yet, strangely, you attempt to mention the alleged quality of your own marque...), which have been independently collated, by thousands of owners. Instead, you make an assertion, based on a limited slice of anecdote, and then proceed to insult when you fail in your argument, disregarding the experiences of thousands of owners, taking into consideration repair rates through manufacturer service departments, over a period reported across the better part of two decades.
Seems like situation normal around here then. As you were.
big_rob_sydney said:
So finally we see it; when an argument is lost, the personal insults are forthcoming ... "for the terminally hard of thinking."
You have not addressed the issues of quality at all (yet, strangely, you attempt to mention the alleged quality of your own marque...), which have been independently collated, by thousands of owners. Instead, you make an assertion, based on a limited slice of anecdote, and then proceed to insult when you fail in your argument, disregarding the experiences of thousands of owners, taking into consideration repair rates through manufacturer service departments, over a period reported across the better part of two decades.
Seems like situation normal around here then. As you were.
Bid Rob. The issues of quality, the disregarding the experiences of thousands of owners, the taking into consideration of repair rates through manufacturer service departments over a period reported across the best part of two decades.You have not addressed the issues of quality at all (yet, strangely, you attempt to mention the alleged quality of your own marque...), which have been independently collated, by thousands of owners. Instead, you make an assertion, based on a limited slice of anecdote, and then proceed to insult when you fail in your argument, disregarding the experiences of thousands of owners, taking into consideration repair rates through manufacturer service departments, over a period reported across the better part of two decades.
Seems like situation normal around here then. As you were.
Great. It is reliable.
Sadly, as I think I may have stated previously, not everyone buys with the JD power survey at the top of their priority list.
As also stated previously, the hard shoulders of many roads here simply aren't scattered with the remains of broken down 7 series, A8 or any of the comparible vehicles.
As per the original thread- the Lexus simply isnt as good as its competitors for space, comfort and luxury.
If they were, im sure I would see more.
I dont see any.
Simple as that.
You will have to excuse me now, I am having afternoon tea at the Burj al Arab.
I will be sure to show the relevant party this thread so they can immediately sell the fleet of Rollers and obtain something more reliable- passenger comfort, space, refinement and entertainment be damned.
Maxus said:
I get driven in an A8 and 7 series, both LWB versions. Whilst I am a BMW fan I must say that the A8 is preferable in the back. Reclining massage seats and double glazed. Very quiet and very comfortable.
The 7 does have double glazing, reclining rear seats etc etc as options, as usual with BMW very little comes as standard, but everything and then some can be specced as an optional extra. I win. Brabus B900 Maybach. 900BHP
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Edited by Aaron_W on Tuesday 11th October 13:58
Dusty964 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
So finally we see it; when an argument is lost, the personal insults are forthcoming ... "for the terminally hard of thinking."
You have not addressed the issues of quality at all (yet, strangely, you attempt to mention the alleged quality of your own marque...), which have been independently collated, by thousands of owners. Instead, you make an assertion, based on a limited slice of anecdote, and then proceed to insult when you fail in your argument, disregarding the experiences of thousands of owners, taking into consideration repair rates through manufacturer service departments, over a period reported across the better part of two decades.
Seems like situation normal around here then. As you were.
Bid Rob. The issues of quality, the disregarding the experiences of thousands of owners, the taking into consideration of repair rates through manufacturer service departments over a period reported across the best part of two decades.You have not addressed the issues of quality at all (yet, strangely, you attempt to mention the alleged quality of your own marque...), which have been independently collated, by thousands of owners. Instead, you make an assertion, based on a limited slice of anecdote, and then proceed to insult when you fail in your argument, disregarding the experiences of thousands of owners, taking into consideration repair rates through manufacturer service departments, over a period reported across the better part of two decades.
Seems like situation normal around here then. As you were.
Great. It is reliable.
Sadly, as I think I may have stated previously, not everyone buys with the JD power survey at the top of their priority list.
As also stated previously, the hard shoulders of many roads here simply aren't scattered with the remains of broken down 7 series, A8 or any of the comparible vehicles.
As per the original thread- the Lexus simply isnt as good as its competitors for space, comfort and luxury.
If they were, im sure I would see more.
I dont see any.
Simple as that.
You will have to excuse me now, I am having afternoon tea at the Burj al Arab.
I will be sure to show the relevant party this thread so they can immediately sell the fleet of Rollers and obtain something more reliable- passenger comfort, space, refinement and entertainment be damned.
You are making an assertion, with nothing to back you up. Cite your source please; empirical evidence, with statistics to back up your argument.
big_rob_sydney said:
I am making my case, backed up with thousands of statistics.
You are making an assertion, with nothing to back you up. Cite your source please; empirical evidence, with statistics to back up your argument.
Afternoon tea was brilliant. Thank you. You are making an assertion, with nothing to back you up. Cite your source please; empirical evidence, with statistics to back up your argument.
As was the journey home in a........7 series.
As per the original article- the one that these responses all stem from.....
But, given the choice, what car would you choose to be chauffeured in? Answers below please!
Choose. A choice of car to be chauffeured in.
Quite simply- again- not the one that is most reliable. Not the one that has the most JD power survey wins behind it.
I would choose the most comfortable. The best equipped. The one with the most legroom and the best AC.
Whilst this could go on for ages, I really cant be bothered to reply again.
I realise that you love a Lexus, god knows I realise how many JD surveys they have won, but no one- no one here uses them. They use 7 series, A8......I think you get the idea.
Lexus- an amazingly reliable car with fantastic, repeated wins in reliabilty.
The one I would choose.
No.
Good night big rob. Sweet Lexus dreams.
k what JD power had to say on the matter as long as it got me where I wanted to go and I was suitably pampered!"A dinosaur from the masters of hybrid tech. Beautifully built, but feels old hat alongside newer, more economical rivals" 4/10
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/lexus/ls
"Mercedes throws everything it knows into the new S-Class. The results are nothing short of astounding" 9/10
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mercedes-benz/s...
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/lexus/ls
"Mercedes throws everything it knows into the new S-Class. The results are nothing short of astounding" 9/10
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mercedes-benz/s...
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 11th October 22:19
The way this thread has devolved is why I don't get involved in forum arguments. Nobody ever wins, ends up sounding like a pair of kids arguing whilst the adults stand round watching with bemusement. Its the adult version of two chavs arguing about Nova redtops in mcdonald car park!
S class for my 2 pence worth!
S class for my 2 pence worth!
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