RE: Ford Focus RS: PH Fleet
Discussion
Fuldhat said:
It is a very valid reason as fanboys will disregard any fault of their car, and say the ones that says that are noobs, hillbillys ect. Even they cleary have much more experience with a lot of different cars than people here.
I tested one for 1 hour on twisty backroads in sweden, where there is alot of room to go fast and came the same conclusion. It is overhyped, only fast from a stand still. once you are up to speed any 300 hp car will walk it Regarding the handling, then you could feel the weight of the car and understeer came when pushed. (The head of development of the RS at Ford stood there like a tool, saying all other cars in this bracket understeered and his RS was perfect. What a load of bulls
t, The RS understeers just a much as the next overweight FWD car.
The problems with overheating, I have heard from several people at the ring, and read alot of about it. You dont have to personal experience to know stuff. That is the reason books are invented and why people go to school. So just because you test drove one, is not the same as have tracked it multiple times. Thats when a car shows it true colors. Any car can go down a normal road and be fine.
Everyone is so overhyped about 4WD, as people think they are launched it full throttle at every greenlight on normal roads.
Interesting though that you had already formed that opinion in February when the first press releases came out..I tested one for 1 hour on twisty backroads in sweden, where there is alot of room to go fast and came the same conclusion. It is overhyped, only fast from a stand still. once you are up to speed any 300 hp car will walk it Regarding the handling, then you could feel the weight of the car and understeer came when pushed. (The head of development of the RS at Ford stood there like a tool, saying all other cars in this bracket understeered and his RS was perfect. What a load of bulls
t, The RS understeers just a much as the next overweight FWD car.The problems with overheating, I have heard from several people at the ring, and read alot of about it. You dont have to personal experience to know stuff. That is the reason books are invented and why people go to school. So just because you test drove one, is not the same as have tracked it multiple times. Thats when a car shows it true colors. Any car can go down a normal road and be fine.
Everyone is so overhyped about 4WD, as people think they are launched it full throttle at every greenlight on normal roads.
Edited by Fuldhat on Monday 17th October 14:55
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I honestly have no idea how you got significant understeer unless you went in twice as fast as the limit cornering speed. It doesn't understeer anything like it's competition. I'd pretty much agreee with Tyrone Johnsons comments...
C7 JFW said:
I'll wait to draw opinion until I've driven it.
I'll agree with other that the interior doesn't look like a BMW, but then again I retrim virtually every car I own so it's no biggie.
Just a shame it doesn't come in black, only grey but i'd easily get over it.
Definitely does come in black. Quite a few black ones around....I'll agree with other that the interior doesn't look like a BMW, but then again I retrim virtually every car I own so it's no biggie.
Just a shame it doesn't come in black, only grey but i'd easily get over it.
So anyway....to get back on topic.... I think PH should find out if this car is terrible and massively overhyped as claimed by a couple of "contributors" to this thread, or if it is genuinely a great car as alluded to by all the reviews. That would be a test.
Also a test against the CTR and Megane in both wet and dry conditions (we already know that its more fun than the rest of the awd competition).
Also a test against the CTR and Megane in both wet and dry conditions (we already know that its more fun than the rest of the awd competition).
RacerMike said:
Interesting though that you had already formed that opinion in February when the first press releases came out..
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing....
I honestly have no idea how you got significant understeer unless you went in twice as fast as the limit cornering speed. It doesn't understeer anything like it's competition. I'd pretty much agreee with Tyrone Johnsons comments...
Yes, I already knew there before I tested it, because anyone that says a car will not understeer and more so a 4WD built on a budget is a tool. No normal car will understeer at normal roadspeeds, thats the reason the speeds are set as they are.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing....
I honestly have no idea how you got significant understeer unless you went in twice as fast as the limit cornering speed. It doesn't understeer anything like it's competition. I'd pretty much agreee with Tyrone Johnsons comments...
So that is not relevant here,
What is though when you are pushing it and on track, and there it understeers just like most other FWD cars since it is more or less a FWD car in most sitiuations and then it has a whole host of other problems, because it should have cost 4-5,000 punds more and then it could have had the proper parts to support it claims.
I would not have problem with the car if it was not so overhyped and all the fanboys crying over that is the greatest thing evermade, and more or less all other car companies could just shut down now because perfection has already been made.
Sorry guys but this is getting a bit silly! I tested one but bought an amg45 in place and lots of people slate that car but to me it was the best car and most exciting hatch available to me, I'd have liked to try an m2 but couldn't get one for anything, but basically we all have different tastes and preferences and budgets as if we didn't the world would be a boring place and this again is why we have different manufacturers as we all like different things, the focus Rs was a decent car when I tested it but just felt and looked a little bit boring in my opinion where as my feeling for the amg was different it felt a little more special and the performance was streets ahead! But as said many people hate my car choice! like wise the focus just get over it it's not the best car in the world but it is a very decent performance hatch!
Fuldhat said:
I would not have problem with the car if it was not so overhyped and all the fanboys crying over that is the greatest thing evermade, and more or less all other car companies could just shut down now because perfection has already been made.
That's a bit sad don't you think? To have a problem with something because other people like it?Fuldhat said:
Yes, I already knew there before I tested it, because anyone that says a car will not understeer and more so a 4WD built on a budget is a tool. No normal car will understeer at normal roadspeeds, thats the reason the speeds are set as they are.
So that is not relevant here,
What is though when you are pushing it and on track, and there it understeers just like most other FWD cars since it is more or less a FWD car in most sitiuations and then it has a whole host of other problems, because it should have cost 4-5,000 punds more and then it could have had the proper parts to support it claims.
I would not have problem with the car if it was not so overhyped and all the fanboys crying over that is the greatest thing evermade, and more or less all other car companies could just shut down now because perfection has already been made.
Your arguments just trip over themselves and end up as a rambling....So that is not relevant here,
What is though when you are pushing it and on track, and there it understeers just like most other FWD cars since it is more or less a FWD car in most sitiuations and then it has a whole host of other problems, because it should have cost 4-5,000 punds more and then it could have had the proper parts to support it claims.
I would not have problem with the car if it was not so overhyped and all the fanboys crying over that is the greatest thing evermade, and more or less all other car companies could just shut down now because perfection has already been made.
I'm an owner not a fanboy, I drive it on the road where it doesn't understeer - it will do pretty much everything else but understeer to be honest.
Aim for a roundabout and go round on a constant throttle and it's neutral, do the same roundabout and accelerate mid turn and the car will tighten it's line and pull you closer to the apex (power now being felt on the outer rear wheel).
Every single car is built to a budget - there isn't a single road car that isn't a compromise, the RS is no different. (Ariel and Radical are not "road" cars before anyone gets excited).
Seems a lot of people hate the car following all the positive press reports, doesn't bother me as the car is pretty much as I expected and for £32k I can't see a new car that will do this and still provide an exciting experience while still providing the sure footed handling this does, if I hadn't have bought this I would have had a 2nd hand Golf R, 2nd hand Audi S4 or possibly gone for the Ren Meg Cup S which seemed a bargain due to being discounted from new.
Justin-40y0e said:
Sorry guys but this is getting a bit silly! I tested one but bought an amg45 in place and lots of people slate that car but to me it was the best car and most exciting hatch available to me, I'd have liked to try an m2 but couldn't get one for anything, but basically we all have different tastes and preferences and budgets as if we didn't the world would be a boring place and this again is why we have different manufacturers as we all like different things, the focus Rs was a decent car when I tested it but just felt and looked a little bit boring in my opinion where as my feeling for the amg was different it felt a little more special and the performance was streets ahead! But as said many people hate my car choice! like wise the focus just get over it it's not the best car in the world but it is a very decent performance hatch!
Breathe.
Fuldhat said:
RacerMike said:
Interesting though that you had already formed that opinion in February when the first press releases came out..
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing....
I honestly have no idea how you got significant understeer unless you went in twice as fast as the limit cornering speed. It doesn't understeer anything like it's competition. I'd pretty much agreee with Tyrone Johnsons comments...
Yes, I already knew there before I tested it, because anyone that says a car will not understeer and more so a 4WD built on a budget is a tool. No normal car will understeer at normal roadspeeds, thats the reason the speeds are set as they are.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing....
I honestly have no idea how you got significant understeer unless you went in twice as fast as the limit cornering speed. It doesn't understeer anything like it's competition. I'd pretty much agreee with Tyrone Johnsons comments...
So that is not relevant here,
What is though when you are pushing it and on track, and there it understeers just like most other FWD cars since it is more or less a FWD car in most sitiuations and then it has a whole host of other problems, because it should have cost 4-5,000 punds more and then it could have had the proper parts to support it claims.
I would not have problem with the car if it was not so overhyped and all the fanboys crying over that is the greatest thing evermade, and more or less all other car companies could just shut down now because perfection has already been made.
And you only hate the car because other people love it? Really?
Not driven one yet but I've been a passenger. Felt tight, controlled and decently rapid. I would imagine you'd have to be a bit of a tool to get much understeer on the road (or just need some lessons).
And that's the point: This isn't a track car, it's a road car. Most road cars are pretty crap on track compared to machines which are designed to be there. You may as well criticise its lack of 7 seats and off-road ability. From what I can tell so far, it's a terrific car to use every day. Isn't that the main point of it? Anyone who is serious about track driving is not going to rely on a car of this type to get their thrills - anyone who just does it occasionally for a laugh will probably enjoy themselves in a FRS just fine. We should be grateful cars like this are still being made, not pull them apart just because we resent others enthusiasm.
And that's the point: This isn't a track car, it's a road car. Most road cars are pretty crap on track compared to machines which are designed to be there. You may as well criticise its lack of 7 seats and off-road ability. From what I can tell so far, it's a terrific car to use every day. Isn't that the main point of it? Anyone who is serious about track driving is not going to rely on a car of this type to get their thrills - anyone who just does it occasionally for a laugh will probably enjoy themselves in a FRS just fine. We should be grateful cars like this are still being made, not pull them apart just because we resent others enthusiasm.
macky17 said:
Not driven one yet but I've been a passenger. Felt tight, controlled and decently rapid. I would imagine you'd have to be a bit of a tool to get much understeer on the road (or just need some lessons).
And that's the point: This isn't a track car, it's a road car. Most road cars are pretty crap on track compared to machines which are designed to be there. You may as well criticise its lack of 7 seats and off-road ability. From what I can tell so far, it's a terrific car to use every day. Isn't that the main point of it? Anyone who is serious about track driving is not going to rely on a car of this type to get their thrills - anyone who just does it occasionally for a laugh will probably enjoy themselves in a FRS just fine. We should be grateful cars like this are still being made, not pull them apart just because we resent others enthusiasm.
At last some sense.And that's the point: This isn't a track car, it's a road car. Most road cars are pretty crap on track compared to machines which are designed to be there. You may as well criticise its lack of 7 seats and off-road ability. From what I can tell so far, it's a terrific car to use every day. Isn't that the main point of it? Anyone who is serious about track driving is not going to rely on a car of this type to get their thrills - anyone who just does it occasionally for a laugh will probably enjoy themselves in a FRS just fine. We should be grateful cars like this are still being made, not pull them apart just because we resent others enthusiasm.
macky17 said:
Not driven one yet but I've been a passenger. Felt tight, controlled and decently rapid. I would imagine you'd have to be a bit of a tool to get much understeer on the road (or just need some lessons).
And that's the point: This isn't a track car, it's a road car. Most road cars are pretty crap on track compared to machines which are designed to be there. You may as well criticise its lack of 7 seats and off-road ability. From what I can tell so far, it's a terrific car to use every day. Isn't that the main point of it? Anyone who is serious about track driving is not going to rely on a car of this type to get their thrills - anyone who just does it occasionally for a laugh will probably enjoy themselves in a FRS just fine. We should be grateful cars like this are still being made, not pull them apart just because we resent others enthusiasm.
At last some sense.And that's the point: This isn't a track car, it's a road car. Most road cars are pretty crap on track compared to machines which are designed to be there. You may as well criticise its lack of 7 seats and off-road ability. From what I can tell so far, it's a terrific car to use every day. Isn't that the main point of it? Anyone who is serious about track driving is not going to rely on a car of this type to get their thrills - anyone who just does it occasionally for a laugh will probably enjoy themselves in a FRS just fine. We should be grateful cars like this are still being made, not pull them apart just because we resent others enthusiasm.
macky17 said:
Not driven one yet but I've been a passenger. Felt tight, controlled and decently rapid. I would imagine you'd have to be a bit of a tool to get much understeer on the road (or just need some lessons).
And that's the point: This isn't a track car, it's a road car. Most road cars are pretty crap on track compared to machines which are designed to be there. You may as well criticise its lack of 7 seats and off-road ability. From what I can tell so far, it's a terrific car to use every day. Isn't that the main point of it? Anyone who is serious about track driving is not going to rely on a car of this type to get their thrills - anyone who just does it occasionally for a laugh will probably enjoy themselves in a FRS just fine. We should be grateful cars like this are still being made, not pull them apart just because we resent others enthusiasm.
Amen....And that's the point: This isn't a track car, it's a road car. Most road cars are pretty crap on track compared to machines which are designed to be there. You may as well criticise its lack of 7 seats and off-road ability. From what I can tell so far, it's a terrific car to use every day. Isn't that the main point of it? Anyone who is serious about track driving is not going to rely on a car of this type to get their thrills - anyone who just does it occasionally for a laugh will probably enjoy themselves in a FRS just fine. We should be grateful cars like this are still being made, not pull them apart just because we resent others enthusiasm.
scherzkeks said:
All PHDGs get understeer in this car on public roads; in fact, if you have not, you are a long way from godliness.
You still haven't told us what a driving god was ?Of course all road cars are set up to understeer : their front end will lose lat grip before their rear end. Turn a FRS in a wet tight 2nd gear roundabout off the throttle at 5mph more than it can cope with : what do you think happens? It oversteers ? It 4-wheel drifts ? No it doesn't. It understeers. But as you always confuse lat grip and traction you don't realise that perhaps the inherent understeer can be masked by dynamic weight transfer by turning in on the brakes or gentle throttle application to neutralise the car. If you think that it's really difficult or shouldn't be done on the public road then fair enough. The reality is, if you pick the time and the place it really doesn't require a lot of skill. And certainly not being a DG not that you will ever tell us what that is, as it's a meaningless expression.
Shall I dig out that thread again ?
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