Is there such a thing as a desirable diesel?
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benjijames28 said:
loads of diesels are desirable, but if you could get the same fuel economy from their petrol equivalent then I would be going for the petrol almost every time.
^^^This answers the question beautifully.They are ONLY desirable to those who cannot afford to run the equivalent petrol.
No one chooses the smell or noise of diesel - they choose the economy.
V8RX7 said:
benjijames28 said:
loads of diesels are desirable, but if you could get the same fuel economy from their petrol equivalent then I would be going for the petrol almost every time.
^^^This answers the question beautifully.They are ONLY desirable to those who cannot afford to run the equivalent petrol.
No one chooses the smell or noise of diesel - they choose the economy.
I don't think with the 3% hike over a petrol in BIK tax they are as popular as company car choose now, if your "non jobneed" car at my place, Petrols have been back on the list for about 18 months.
The new Audi A4 2.0 TSI petrol is cheaper than the 2.0 TDI in terms of BIK, also cheaper on the lease costs, i'll certainly be looking at petrol next time round as a low business miles user.
The new Audi A4 2.0 TSI petrol is cheaper than the 2.0 TDI in terms of BIK, also cheaper on the lease costs, i'll certainly be looking at petrol next time round as a low business miles user.
p1stonhead said:
V8RX7 said:
benjijames28 said:
loads of diesels are desirable, but if you could get the same fuel economy from their petrol equivalent then I would be going for the petrol almost every time.
^^^This answers the question beautifully.They are ONLY desirable to those who cannot afford to run the equivalent petrol.
No one chooses the smell or noise of diesel - they choose the economy.
Yep, my Cayenne V8 Diesel is great. The Petrol Turbo is faster and sounds better but I do high mileage and regular trips across to France and Germany, so aside from the extra cost of fuel I'd have to stop more or less twice as often at Fuel stations, particularly annoying when towing. I managed pretty much Tamworth to Magny Cours on a single tank last week and averaged nearly 130kmh.
Plus it's fast, I hit an indicated 270kmh on (an admittedly slightly downhill stretch of) the Autobahn a couple of months ago on my way to Trier and it accelerates pretty much as quick as my 928
And no it doesn't sound like a tractor, it sounds like a muted but still pleasant V8, in fact hardly anyone actually guesses its a diesel, including petrol heads.
The new V6 Turbo Petrol has closed the gap in terms of bottom end power delivery and fuel economy but it's still a way off and not really more pleasant to listen to or use IMHO. For anyone who needs/wants a Cayenne for what they're good for it's difficult to beat.
In contrast I found my 123d to be a joyless, rev shy box with massively overrated fuel consumption and an agricultural soundtrack.
Looking forward to the next gen model with the Audi SQ7/Bentley V8.
Plus it's fast, I hit an indicated 270kmh on (an admittedly slightly downhill stretch of) the Autobahn a couple of months ago on my way to Trier and it accelerates pretty much as quick as my 928
And no it doesn't sound like a tractor, it sounds like a muted but still pleasant V8, in fact hardly anyone actually guesses its a diesel, including petrol heads.
The new V6 Turbo Petrol has closed the gap in terms of bottom end power delivery and fuel economy but it's still a way off and not really more pleasant to listen to or use IMHO. For anyone who needs/wants a Cayenne for what they're good for it's difficult to beat.
In contrast I found my 123d to be a joyless, rev shy box with massively overrated fuel consumption and an agricultural soundtrack.
Looking forward to the next gen model with the Audi SQ7/Bentley V8.
V8RX7 said:
p1stonhead said:
V8RX7 said:
benjijames28 said:
loads of diesels are desirable, but if you could get the same fuel economy from their petrol equivalent then I would be going for the petrol almost every time.
^^^This answers the question beautifully.They are ONLY desirable to those who cannot afford to run the equivalent petrol.
No one chooses the smell or noise of diesel - they choose the economy.
Just because people have money, doesnt mean they want to literally waste it where there is no other benefit than the noise of the engine.
Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 13th October 10:31
The more cylinders the better.... there's only so much that you can do to disguise a 4-pot diesel sound - they all sound the same after a while. I prefer large capacity diesels in 4x4s, pickups, vans, etc - they just fit the type of vehicle better.
In a car/non-4x4, nothing diesel-powered really takes my fancy. I've never driven a petrol car and thought 'I wish this were a diesel'.
In a car/non-4x4, nothing diesel-powered really takes my fancy. I've never driven a petrol car and thought 'I wish this were a diesel'.
When I replace my current 211 V8 E Class I wouldn't mind a 212 350CDI*
My current one is off to Dorset this weekend, the following weekend it's Scotland. The other main use is for 66 mile round trip commutes out of town. All good use cases for a diesel slusher.
Will always have something small, manual and petrol for the city work.
(*265 bhp, Sport trim, in black with pano roof, privacy and alcantara please).
My current one is off to Dorset this weekend, the following weekend it's Scotland. The other main use is for 66 mile round trip commutes out of town. All good use cases for a diesel slusher.
Will always have something small, manual and petrol for the city work.
(*265 bhp, Sport trim, in black with pano roof, privacy and alcantara please).
alock said:
There are two types of desirable diesels.
Old non-turbobdiesels that will do hundreds of thousands of miles with little maintenance.
The latest batch of 1.6 turbo diesels in small cars that can average 70mpg in day to day driving.
Any attempt at a performance diesel just degrades what they are best at. It's then just a scale as to how many compromises each person is happy to accept.
390bhp. Recent 690miles round-trip without stopping for fuel.Old non-turbobdiesels that will do hundreds of thousands of miles with little maintenance.
The latest batch of 1.6 turbo diesels in small cars that can average 70mpg in day to day driving.
Any attempt at a performance diesel just degrades what they are best at. It's then just a scale as to how many compromises each person is happy to accept.
Which one of your two types does my car fit into?
And where is the compromise that I have to accept?
V8RX7 said:
benjijames28 said:
loads of diesels are desirable, but if you could get the same fuel economy from their petrol equivalent then I would be going for the petrol almost every time.
^^^This answers the question beautifully.They are ONLY desirable to those who cannot afford to run the equivalent petrol.
No one chooses the smell or noise of diesel - they choose the economy.
t. I didn't.p1stonhead said:
V8RX7 said:
p1stonhead said:
V8RX7 said:
benjijames28 said:
loads of diesels are desirable, but if you could get the same fuel economy from their petrol equivalent then I would be going for the petrol almost every time.
^^^This answers the question beautifully.They are ONLY desirable to those who cannot afford to run the equivalent petrol.
No one chooses the smell or noise of diesel - they choose the economy.
Just because people have money, doesnt mean they want to literally waste it where there is no other benefit than the noise of the engine.
Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 13th October 10:31
That said a lot of my driving is in Europe. and the ability to get over a thousand miles per fill up, can be quite confidence generating when going into places where getting fuel may not be as straightforward as it is here.
I can hardly count the times I have sailed past service areas on continental motorways rammed with drivers trying to reach the pumps, done the work and then returned to the UK on the same tank full. It is not even a question of speed, because I can travel at the various posted limits, with the engine revving only slightly above idling speed, and marking little if any noise. Not sure if the smell aspect of using a diesel is a problem either, since the only time I smell diesel fuel is when filling up, and then only briefly.
I have detected exhaust fumes from the car/s in front at times, but these could just as easily be coming from petrol cars, as diesel cars.
V8RX7 said:
^^^This answers the question beautifully.
They are ONLY desirable to those who cannot afford to run the equivalent petrol.
No one chooses the smell or noise of diesel - they choose the economy.
bThey are ONLY desirable to those who cannot afford to run the equivalent petrol.
No one chooses the smell or noise of diesel - they choose the economy.
ks. Take an Audi A3 2.0 tdi vs 2.0 petrol as example. I would choose the tdi for its torque every single time over the petrol. In normal traffic it can feel fast with a bit of grunt, where you have to work the patrol engine hard and it feels wheezy. Granted it doesn't sound great at idle, but the petrol sounds pathetic anyway., And driving them to extract similar levels of performance, the diesel has superior economy. I quite like diesels. I like mid range pull, and filling it up once a month, paying a relatively small amount of road tax and having reasonably cheap insurance. I hear a bit of a noise from the engine, and maybe I change gear more often than I would if it were a petrol, but it's not enough of an issue for me, like I dont go out of my way to decry diesels as the devils work. They're just there, doing what they do helping me do what I do
The price point where I buy cars puts the newer small petrol turbo engines out of reach for me. I probably wouldnt buy one on 5+ years time when they come down to my price bracket either, because it'll likely have 100k+ miles on it and I'm not convinced that a 1.0 turbo petrol in a Focus sized car can really face that stress and be reliable. I know most diesels can, even if they need a flywheel or a set of injectors to get going again.
But to answer the question, I'd be interested in the 4.2 TDI A8
The price point where I buy cars puts the newer small petrol turbo engines out of reach for me. I probably wouldnt buy one on 5+ years time when they come down to my price bracket either, because it'll likely have 100k+ miles on it and I'm not convinced that a 1.0 turbo petrol in a Focus sized car can really face that stress and be reliable. I know most diesels can, even if they need a flywheel or a set of injectors to get going again.
But to answer the question, I'd be interested in the 4.2 TDI A8
The Wookie said:
Yep, my Cayenne V8 Diesel is great. The Petrol Turbo is faster and sounds better but I do high mileage and regular trips across to France and Germany, so aside from the extra cost of fuel I'd have to stop more or less twice as often at Fuel stations, particularly annoying when towing. I managed pretty much Tamworth to Magny Cours on a single tank last week and averaged nearly 130kmh.
Similar here. I can drive to Germany in my MB CLS 320 CDI and do the 740 miles on one tank or I can go in my TVR and stop 3 times.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff