Is there such a thing as a desirable diesel?
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Ahbefive said:
So the slower car that is slower in every gear etc felt faster on your bummometer?
Well if there was ever a reason to desire a diesel eh?...
It's slower because you have to rev the nuts off it to drive it fast, something which I and 99% of other traffic on the roads, don't do.Well if there was ever a reason to desire a diesel eh?...
Rev the nuts off a car thats given all its power between 2.5k & 6k revs? So a whole 3.5k of revving the nuts off it? Really?
The diesel is the slower car in every situation, it just feels faster to you as you have to change gear a fraction earlier and the torque surge might feel better for a split second.
Either way it doesn't make it desirable.
The diesel is the slower car in every situation, it just feels faster to you as you have to change gear a fraction earlier and the torque surge might feel better for a split second.
Either way it doesn't make it desirable.
DonkeyApple said:
That's quite an obtuse view. There are clearly many petrol engines with great character, sound and feel from 4 pots, 5, 6, 8 upwards and across a spectrum of costs. Many a mundane car has been made great in character by its power plant.
You forgot Threes, which sound better than most Fours. The Ecoboost Three in my daily driver is a lovely thing . DoubleD said:
How can you possibly say that he doesn't desire his car?!
Exactly. Whether a type of vehicle is desirable to its owner or not, must surely be down to an individual owners reasons for buying that type of car.These are likely to different in each persons case, so trying to apply ones own set of requirements onto those of another driver is virtually pointless.
Dave Hedgehog said:
white_goodman said:
I think that these two diesels (Merc G350 Blutec and Jaguar F-Pace 3.0d S) are both pretty darn desirable!
nopebut they are if you fit the V8 petrol engines (or the V12 in the G Wagon)
Pointless thread is pointless.
Ahbefive said:
T16OLE said:
What I like about a decent diesel lump is where in the rev range the power is produced.
I.e. most of the power is produced where I spend most of the rev range, as opposed to my previous car, TT V6, of which it sounded great, but you have to really rev it to get it going, whereas my 640d `feels` quicker because the power is so much more accessible.
You are describing liking a turbocharged power delivery rather than a diesel power delivery.I.e. most of the power is produced where I spend most of the rev range, as opposed to my previous car, TT V6, of which it sounded great, but you have to really rev it to get it going, whereas my 640d `feels` quicker because the power is so much more accessible.
Dave Hedgehog said:
nope
but they are if you fit the V8 petrol engines (or the V12 in the G Wagon)
I agree that the V8 petrols are nicer engines but in a Mercedes saloon or an F-Type. A complete waste of time in these two vehicles. The diesels seem like a better match for the cars. That doesn't make them undesirable though.but they are if you fit the V8 petrol engines (or the V12 in the G Wagon)
Ahbefive said:
WinstonWolf said:
Nope, a diesel power curve has what's called torque backup...
Not heard of that one before. Is that what creates the diesel desire?white_goodman said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
nope
but they are if you fit the V8 petrol engines (or the V12 in the G Wagon)
I agree that the V8 petrols are nicer engines but in a Mercedes saloon or an F-Type. A complete waste of time in these two vehicles. The diesels seem like a better match for the cars. That doesn't make them undesirable though.but they are if you fit the V8 petrol engines (or the V12 in the G Wagon)
And the F Pace? Well, I've been passed by a few now and the V6 ones sound lovely whereas the diesels give nothing, absolutely nothing.
It's like the bloke on holiday in Thailand faced with two pretty hookers but chooses the one with the willy because she's cheaper.
I was converted from a diesel hater when my wife got an Audi TDI, which she kindly donated to me when she decided I should buy her a newer car.
Yes I wish it sounded sportier, I have to change gear more often, and it doesn't have the driver thrill of the RX8 it replaced, but would I have had a desire to have bought it?
Yes, having lived with it I would. With s-line sporty handling, 170 bhp and buckets of torque, its quiet once initially warmed up and with an average of 52 mpg I can get to and from work for a whole week without having to detour for fuel (unlike the RX8).
I think they are now a desirable option for most who enjoy driving.
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