Is there such a thing as a desirable diesel?

Is there such a thing as a desirable diesel?

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Ahbefive

11,657 posts

171 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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So the slower car that is slower in every gear etc felt faster on your bummometer?

Well if there was ever a reason to desire a diesel eh?... rolleyes

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

160 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Ahbefive said:
So the slower car that is slower in every gear etc felt faster on your bummometer?

Well if there was ever a reason to desire a diesel eh?... rolleyes
It's slower because you have to rev the nuts off it to drive it fast, something which I and 99% of other traffic on the roads, don't do.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

171 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Rev the nuts off a car thats given all its power between 2.5k & 6k revs? So a whole 3.5k of revving the nuts off it? Really?

The diesel is the slower car in every situation, it just feels faster to you as you have to change gear a fraction earlier and the torque surge might feel better for a split second.

Either way it doesn't make it desirable.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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How can you possibly say that he doesn't desire his car?!

Mr Tidy

22,065 posts

126 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Leins said:
I went the other way i.e. 325ti -> 335d. Whilst they're not really comparable cars, and the 335d was "superior" in so many ways, it's only the former that I still miss to this day
That seems to say it all! thumbup

white_goodman

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4,042 posts

190 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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I think that these two diesels (Merc G350 Blutec and Jaguar F-Pace 3.0d S) are both pretty darn desirable! smile






coppice

8,564 posts

143 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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DonkeyApple said:
That's quite an obtuse view. There are clearly many petrol engines with great character, sound and feel from 4 pots, 5, 6, 8 upwards and across a spectrum of costs. Many a mundane car has been made great in character by its power plant.
You forgot Threes, which sound better than most Fours. The Ecoboost Three in my daily driver is a lovely thing .

Pan Pan Pan

9,777 posts

110 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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DoubleD said:
How can you possibly say that he doesn't desire his car?!
Exactly. Whether a type of vehicle is desirable to its owner or not, must surely be down to an individual owners reasons for buying that type of car.
These are likely to different in each persons case, so trying to apply ones own set of requirements onto those of another driver is virtually pointless.

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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white_goodman said:
I think that these two diesels (Merc G350 Blutec and Jaguar F-Pace 3.0d S) are both pretty darn desirable! smile





nope

but they are if you fit the V8 petrol engines (or the V12 in the G Wagon) biggrin


p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Dave Hedgehog said:
white_goodman said:
I think that these two diesels (Merc G350 Blutec and Jaguar F-Pace 3.0d S) are both pretty darn desirable! smile





nope

but they are if you fit the V8 petrol engines (or the V12 in the G Wagon) biggrin
In your opinion. The diesels are pretty desireable to me too.

Pointless thread is pointless.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Ahbefive said:
T16OLE said:
What I like about a decent diesel lump is where in the rev range the power is produced.

I.e. most of the power is produced where I spend most of the rev range, as opposed to my previous car, TT V6, of which it sounded great, but you have to really rev it to get it going, whereas my 640d `feels` quicker because the power is so much more accessible.
You are describing liking a turbocharged power delivery rather than a diesel power delivery.
Nope, a diesel power curve has what's called torque backup...

white_goodman

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4,042 posts

190 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Dave Hedgehog said:
nope

but they are if you fit the V8 petrol engines (or the V12 in the G Wagon) biggrin
I agree that the V8 petrols are nicer engines but in a Mercedes saloon or an F-Type. A complete waste of time in these two vehicles. The diesels seem like a better match for the cars. That doesn't make them undesirable though.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

171 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Nope, a diesel power curve has what's called torque backup...
Not heard of that one before. Is that what creates the diesel desire?

Fastdruid

8,623 posts

151 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Ahbefive said:
WinstonWolf said:
Nope, a diesel power curve has what's called torque backup...
Not heard of that one before. Is that what creates the diesel desire?
I thought it was like when you're creating a backup of your computer. At first it *appears* to be going quickly but then it takes ages and goes really slowly. wink

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Ahbefive said:
WinstonWolf said:
Nope, a diesel power curve has what's called torque backup...
Not heard of that one before. Is that what creates the diesel desire?
You've learned something about engines then smile

briang9

3,262 posts

159 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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coppice said:
You forgot Threes, which sound better than most Fours. The Ecoboost Three in my daily driver is a lovely thing .
no it's notlaugh

DonkeyApple

54,932 posts

168 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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white_goodman said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
nope

but they are if you fit the V8 petrol engines (or the V12 in the G Wagon) biggrin
I agree that the V8 petrols are nicer engines but in a Mercedes saloon or an F-Type. A complete waste of time in these two vehicles. The diesels seem like a better match for the cars. That doesn't make them undesirable though.
Sorry but I've driven both the diesel G Wagon and the AMG. There is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. The AMG is on a different planet. I simply cannot conceive of any way to think that the minicab unit is more desirable than what AMG have done to a fridge on wheels.

And the F Pace? Well, I've been passed by a few now and the V6 ones sound lovely whereas the diesels give nothing, absolutely nothing.

It's like the bloke on holiday in Thailand faced with two pretty hookers but chooses the one with the willy because she's cheaper. wink

Equilibrium25

653 posts

133 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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DonkeyApple said:
It's like the bloke on holiday in Thailand faced with two pretty hookers but chooses the one with the willy because she's cheaper. wink
laughlaugh

Brilliant summing up!

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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Desirable doesn't have to mean sexy. Desirable can mean low costs or good economy. You could say that "the petrol car is undesirable because it uses more fuel"

Just to add I have a petrol car

vrod

961 posts

189 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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I was converted from a diesel hater when my wife got an Audi TDI, which she kindly donated to me when she decided I should buy her a newer car.
Yes I wish it sounded sportier, I have to change gear more often, and it doesn't have the driver thrill of the RX8 it replaced, but would I have had a desire to have bought it?
Yes, having lived with it I would. With s-line sporty handling, 170 bhp and buckets of torque, its quiet once initially warmed up and with an average of 52 mpg I can get to and from work for a whole week without having to detour for fuel (unlike the RX8).

I think they are now a desirable option for most who enjoy driving.