RE: New BMW 5 Series - full details
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Bladedancer said:
And while it hasn't quite happened yet, you can certainly see this looming on the horizon.
As an exercise, take, say, a 10 year old 3 liter diesel powered German exec that needs a set of injectors, turbo refurbed/replaced and DPF replaced.
People were saying the same about K-Jetronic, then KE and L Jetronic. When we got MPi systems appearing, all hell was going to break loose - the prospect of replacing 4 - 6 - 8 - 12 injectors filled people with dread. What actually happened was that a whole load of specialists popped up who could refurb. this stuff - and the irony now is that K Jetronic, which is the most simple of systems is the one nobody wants to fix these days! Many injector issues are caused by dirt in the fuel / tanks clogging the nozzles - these can be cheaply cleaned using ultrasonics.As an exercise, take, say, a 10 year old 3 liter diesel powered German exec that needs a set of injectors, turbo refurbed/replaced and DPF replaced.
Same with turbos - specialists can recondition, replacing bearings etc.
People can re-flow circuit boards, replace LED / LCD panels, recondition expensive to replace gearbox actuators and air-assisted computerised suspension.
Back in the 70s, most cars were worn out by 100k miles. Today, we will see 200k, 300k or more before engines are worn and need attention.
wistec said:
I place my advanced deposit for the new 5 series last week on the understanding that they would be making both a 535 & 540d. No mention of either in this article. I was assured this model designation was going to be available. Any further news?
Your first post in 104 months?! That's unbelievable lurking!Apologies that I don't actually know the answer to your question
wistec said:
I place my advanced deposit for the new 5 series last week on the understanding that they would be making both a 535 & 540d. No mention of either in this article. I was assured this model designation was going to be available. Any further news?
These are the launch models here in Germany....no 535d/540d on the horizon. The 530d looks fairly respectable...BMW 530i • Motor: Vierzylinder-Benziner • Hubraum: 1998 ccm • Leistung: 185 kW (252 PS) bei 5200 bis 6500 U/min • max. Drehmoment: 350 Nm bei 1450 bis 4800 U/min • Beschleunigung: 0-100 km/h in 6,2 s (6,0 s mit xDrive) • Verbrauch: 5,4 l/100 km (5,7 l/100 km mit xDrive). Preis 49.800 Euro; mit xDrive; 52.400 Euro.
BMW 540i • Motor: Sechszylinder-Benziner • Hubraum: 2998 ccm • Leistung: 250 kW (340 PS) bei 5500 bis 6500 U/min • max. Drehmoment: 450 Nm bei 1380 bis 5200 U/min • Beschleunigung: 0-100 km/h in 5,1 s (4,8 s mit xDrive) • Verbrauch: 6,5 l/100 km (6,7 l/100 km mit xDrive). Preis 57.700 Euro; mit xDrive 60.300 Euro.
BMW 520d • Motor: Vierzylinder-Diesel • Hubraum: 1995 ccm • Leistung: 140 kW (190 PS) bei 4000 U/min • max. Drehmoment: 400 Nm bei 1750 bis 2500 U/min • Beschleunigung: 0-100 km/h in 7,7 s (7,6 s mit xDrive und Achtgang-Steptronic) • Verbrauch: 4,1 l/100 km (4,2 l/100 km mit xDrive und Achtgang-Steptronic). Preis 45.200 Euro mit Handschaltung; 47.450 Euro mit 8-Gang-Steptronic; 50.000 Euro mit xDrive.
BMW 530d • Motor: Sechszylinder-Diesel • Hubraum: 2993 ccm • Leistung: 195 kW (265 PS) bei 4000 U/min • max. Drehmoment: 620 Nm bei 2000 bis 2500 U/min • Beschleunigung: 0-100 km/h in 5,7 s (5,4 s mit xDrive) • Verbrauch: 4,5 l/100 km (4,7 l/100 km mit xDrive). Preis 54.300 Euro; mit xDrive 56.900 Euro.
The new 5 looks like the old 5
The old 7 looks like the old 7 and even worse, it's quite similar to the one before that
Lazy work from BMW
Inevitably the poverty spec 520d M-Sport will be the best seller.
Get a 640d GC with HUD and VDC instead. Much better looking and a true example of what BMW can do.
The old 7 looks like the old 7 and even worse, it's quite similar to the one before that
Lazy work from BMW
Inevitably the poverty spec 520d M-Sport will be the best seller.
Get a 640d GC with HUD and VDC instead. Much better looking and a true example of what BMW can do.
TopgunNS said:
i8 and a RR. But the biggest leap in quality was going from a 520d to a 640d GC.
This is the first 5 that is not at all exciting compared to the old model.
What a shocker - a £65k car feels nicer than a £38k car!This is the first 5 that is not at all exciting compared to the old model.
The outgoing 5 is a quality bit of kit - yes, the 640d is 'better', but it's diminishing returns, really - you don't get that much more quality for a silly amount of extra cash.
No that last point is not fair. The 640d leases for 299 a month compared to the 520d at 230 but feels three times the price of the 5.
And if you want to buy one, the 6 has massive 20k discounts
The 640GC (soon to be old) is better looking, quicker and better equipped than the upcoming 520d. And when released, the lease prices are likely to be the same...
And if you want to buy one, the 6 has massive 20k discounts
The 640GC (soon to be old) is better looking, quicker and better equipped than the upcoming 520d. And when released, the lease prices are likely to be the same...
TopgunNS said:
No that last point is not fair. The 640d leases for 299 a month compared to the 520d at 230 but feels three times the price of the 5.
And if you want to buy one, the 6 has massive 20k discounts
The 640GC (soon to be old) is better looking, quicker and better equipped than the upcoming 520d. And when released, the lease prices are likely to be the same...
But the lease prices won't be the same. Car with more powerful engine which costs more is quicker than cheaper car with less powerful engine shocker.And if you want to buy one, the 6 has massive 20k discounts
The 640GC (soon to be old) is better looking, quicker and better equipped than the upcoming 520d. And when released, the lease prices are likely to be the same...
Did you know a 550i is faster than a 640d?
Actually he 640d is cheaper to lease than the current 530d..... Which one would you rather have? I'm only comparing it to the 520d M-sport as this is the most popular 5 series
The 6GC a four year old model but still better in every way than this new and rather dull 5 series. That's the problem.
At least the new E looks a lot better than the old one. This new 5 may have problems. And if you don't believe it, look at how BMW messed up the latest x5 by not differentiating it enough from its predecessor. Now they are considering releasing the new version of that early.
The 6GC a four year old model but still better in every way than this new and rather dull 5 series. That's the problem.
At least the new E looks a lot better than the old one. This new 5 may have problems. And if you don't believe it, look at how BMW messed up the latest x5 by not differentiating it enough from its predecessor. Now they are considering releasing the new version of that early.
Wills2 said:
LOL, VDC is a £1000 pissed down the drain it does bugger all that you can feel from the drivers seat, you do realise that a 640dGC is 535d in drag don't you?
But they stuck some Dakota leather to the dash, instantly making it several times the car the 5-series is! 
I do like the style of the 6GC, and it's the car I'd buy myself once they've depreciated to my liking. But I can't see why anyone would think they're significantly better than an F10 / F11.
(Acutally, my favourite BMW right now is the X6 M50d. On a slippery Goodwood, Eric van de Poele in a BMW 2-series 'hot laps' track car couldn't get close enough to pass me)
Bladedancer said:
And while it hasn't quite happened yet, you can certainly see this looming on the horizon.
As an exercise, take, say, a 10 year old 3 liter diesel powered German exec that needs a set of injectors, turbo refurbed/replaced and DPF replaced.
I've owned a BMW from new for the last 9 years hasn't wanted for anything bar a service every now and then, in that time I've also owned another 9 along side it and done 300-400k in them they didn't need anything else either. As an exercise, take, say, a 10 year old 3 liter diesel powered German exec that needs a set of injectors, turbo refurbed/replaced and DPF replaced.
The internet proving that opinion is better and experience since 1990.
Trabi601 said:
Wills2 said:
LOL, VDC is a £1000 pissed down the drain it does bugger all that you can feel from the drivers seat, you do realise that a 640dGC is 535d in drag don't you?
But they stuck some Dakota leather to the dash, instantly making it several times the car the 5-series is! I do like the style of the 6GC, and it's the car I'd buy myself once they've depreciated to my liking. But I can't see why anyone would think they're significantly better than an F10 / F11.
(Acutally, my favourite BMW right now is the X6 M50d. On a slippery Goodwood, Eric van de Poele in a BMW 2-series 'hot laps' track car couldn't get close enough to pass me)
Having run an F10 for a couple of years there is no way I'd ever have a 3 series again.
Trabi601 said:
TopgunNS said:
Inevitably the poverty spec 520d M-Sport will be the best seller.
That's not poverty spec.518d SE would poverty.
Edited by SWoll on Saturday 22 October 23:06
How many of those 21 colours will be different shades of grey? No 535d or M550d either, at least for now.
You can't blame BMW for being cautious with the styling though. When they tried to be adventurous with the E60 everybody was up in arms about how ugly it was and BMW were ridiculed.
You can't blame BMW for being cautious with the styling though. When they tried to be adventurous with the E60 everybody was up in arms about how ugly it was and BMW were ridiculed.
SWoll said:
Poverty spec in that class of vehicles no longer exists. All come with leather, auto, bluetooth, DAB, Climate, cruise, satnav etc. It's the same with MB and Audi. Unless you really must have a panoramic sunroof, HUD or radar cruise control the basic spec would happily suit 99% of owners IMHO.
One BMW tradition remains, though - awful stereos in base models! - although they do provide a stereo these days, the base spec. is awful. You really do have to spend money on this - it's inexcusable, really.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff