RE: New BMW 5 Series - full details

[Crusoe]

Bladedancer said:

70 mpg? Suuure.
Why not make it a nice round number like 100? Just as realistic.

At this rate diesels will be just filled in once at the factory and never refilled :P

Had over 80mpg actual in my 320ed on my 80 mile commute, would expect the new one to be even better.

[Trabi601]

Crusoe said:

Bladedancer said:

70 mpg? Suuure.
Why not make it a nice round number like 100? Just as realistic.

At this rate diesels will be just filled in once at the factory and never refilled :P

Had over 80mpg actual in my 320ed on my 80 mile commute, would expect the new one to be even better.

I have absolutely no idea how people get these kinds of figures - on my 2nd car with the 184bhp engine and 8 speed box - neither would get above 50mpg even when driving for economy.

[E65Ross]

Trabi601 said:

Crusoe said:

Bladedancer said:

70 mpg? Suuure.
Why not make it a nice round number like 100? Just as realistic.

At this rate diesels will be just filled in once at the factory and never refilled :P

Had over 80mpg actual in my 320ed on my 80 mile commute, would expect the new one to be even better.

I have absolutely no idea how people get these kinds of figures - on my 2nd car with the 184bhp engine and 8 speed box - neither would get above 50mpg even when driving for economy.

I find that very hard to believe, my dads old E46 330d 6speed manual would get that on a long run if driven carefully.

I can't see how 70mpg as a motorway figure isn't too unbelievable to be honest.

[mfp4073]

Roma101 said:

Point 1 - agreed
Point 2 - maybe, subjective
Point 3 - why is someone who buys a 5 series a clueless tosser? And no, I am not a 'clueless tosser', just intrigued by your conclusion.

Point 3.....please accept my apologies....we all know it never pays to generalise.

[Holmsfree]

Beware the autonomous tools.......my Golf R has Autonomous Cruise Control that is woeful and front assist that has so many false alarms it is dangerous! I would think carefully about buying any car where these driver aids are not optional or possible to turn off.
Beyond that, I like the new 5 series. Would love M5 X Drive Touring with Tesla style jump seats in the boot. Perfect......

[aspirated]

520d M Sport xDrive would make a decent all rounder...future purchase maybe in 5/6 years if i need to do megamiles

[Pumpsmynads]

E65Ross said:

blademansw said:

pits said:

It was like reading a tragedy
530i is a 4 cylinder turbo and the base model near enough

I shed a tear. The only reason to buy a 530i was that sublime straight six. I still miss the 6 pot from my old 528i E39 which incidentally was in SE trim but had M-tec III suspension so you had the best of both worlds, better handling, but the ride was improved due to the non low-profile tyres.

Whilst not naturally aspirated, BMW do still do a straight 6, you know? they also offer a V8 still. I don't see what the fuss is about? Or is it literally just your sentimental about a few numbers? If so, as I mentioned earlier, you wouldn't have liked the E23 745i, which was....only a 3.2 litre straight 6, and not a 4.4 V8 that the later 745i was.

Just out of curiosity, what do you find upsetting about the 530i being a 4 cylinder engine? If you want a 6 cylinder engine they still offer that, so I'm not sure why you'd get upset about it?

Just wondering really

"Shed a tear?" Really?

If it was called the 525i or 528i that'd be ok would it? Buy the 540i if you want the six.

[Oakman]

With the amazing economy claims for large heavy diesel vehicles (I drive a Transporter V5 Diesel Kombi daily), are the respective owners quoting the on board computer figures or doing actual brim to brim fill ups, converting litres to gallons and dividing the gallons into the miles done ?

Even after a remap of +50 lbs ft torque and + 5o bhp & at 147,000 miles my van still returns 34 mpg in 'real time' usage / coincidentally just what VW claimed as its midpoint real world figure (even allowing for their 'clean figures') ;-) before the remap.

Based on my experience with this and other trip computer mpg figures, they are all slightly optimistic to say the least.

[E65Ross]

Oakman said:

With the amazing economy claims for large heavy diesel vehicles (I drive a Transporter V5 Diesel Kombi daily), are the respective owners quoting the on board computer figures or doing actual brim to brim fill ups, converting litres to gallons and dividing the gallons into the miles done ?

Even after a remap of +50 lbs ft torque and + 5o bhp & at 147,000 miles my van still returns 34 mpg in 'real time' usage / coincidentally just what VW claimed as its midpoint real world figure (even allowing for their 'clean figures') ;-) before the remap.

Based on my experience with this and other trip computer mpg figures, they are all slightly optimistic to say the least.

Some are, some aren't. My Toyota, for example, actually does more mpg than what the trip computer says, admittedly only by a couple of percent.

[rayyan171]

Good to know that the 550i is still keeping the V8, with 480hp in X-drive form. Will now be known as the M550i.

530d is 6 cylinders and 265hp with 6 seconds to 60! There will be a 550d or 540d, not sure which one, but the 550d will have 400hp and 4 turbos, like in the 750d.

Rumours of the new M5 being in two forms, with a more powerful 600hp+ engine in X-drive format.

[sparks_E39]

I think it looks great!

[Wills2]

I think it looks lovely, 540i with full leather and adaptive drive (what they are going to call it) would be great.

I'd love the M550i but it's going to be close to 70k apparently the new M5 will be pushed up in price to create the gap for the M550i to fit into.

[Burwood]

Wills2 said:

I think it looks lovely, 540i with full leather and adaptive drive (what they are going to call it) would be great.

I'd love the M550i but it's going to be close to 70k apparently the new M5 will be pushed up in price to create the gap for the M550i to fit into.

Yeah, they can ask what they want but no one will be paying £70k for a 550. Same goes for the M5. The first few buyers who must have it 'first' will pay whatever it costs but soon enough they'll be discounting them. Can you imagine the depreciation on a 70k 550. it will lose 40k in 24 months

[Wills2]

Burwood said:

Wills2 said:

I think it looks lovely, 540i with full leather and adaptive drive (what they are going to call it) would be great.

I'd love the M550i but it's going to be close to 70k apparently the new M5 will be pushed up in price to create the gap for the M550i to fit into.

Yeah, they can ask what they want but no one will be paying £70k for a 550. Same goes for the M5. The first few buyers who must have it 'first' will pay whatever it costs but soon enough they'll be discounting them. Can you imagine the depreciation on a 70k 550. it will lose 40k in 24 months

Whilst that's true, the discount will come off the higher price, for instance my old F10 M5 was 67k invoice from a list price with options of 82k, if the new one is 92k with a few options it'll be....Well you get the point.

If they offer the same discounts/deals on the M550i as they did on the F10 M5, I'll get one but as you say better to let the early adopters have the first full up cars.

[Burwood]

Wills2 said:

Burwood said:

Wills2 said:

I think it looks lovely, 540i with full leather and adaptive drive (what they are going to call it) would be great.

I'd love the M550i but it's going to be close to 70k apparently the new M5 will be pushed up in price to create the gap for the M550i to fit into.

Yeah, they can ask what they want but no one will be paying £70k for a 550. Same goes for the M5. The first few buyers who must have it 'first' will pay whatever it costs but soon enough they'll be discounting them. Can you imagine the depreciation on a 70k 550. it will lose 40k in 24 months

Whilst that's true, the discount will come off the higher price, for instance my old F10 M5 was 67k invoice from a list price with options of 82k, if the new one is 92k with a few options it'll be....Well you get the point.

If they offer the same discounts/deals on the M550i as they did on the F10 M5, I'll get one but as you say better to let the early adopters have the first full up cars.

The 550 will have to compete with the E43(?) albeit the 550 has the legs on it. Naturally a 550 would be 55k (60k with some tasty options) and the M5 closer to 70k. It it's 80k they won't sell many in my opinion. Fantastic cars though. But I think you know that

[E65Ross]

Burwood said:

Wills2 said:

Burwood said:

Wills2 said:

I think it looks lovely, 540i with full leather and adaptive drive (what they are going to call it) would be great.

I'd love the M550i but it's going to be close to 70k apparently the new M5 will be pushed up in price to create the gap for the M550i to fit into.

Yeah, they can ask what they want but no one will be paying £70k for a 550. Same goes for the M5. The first few buyers who must have it 'first' will pay whatever it costs but soon enough they'll be discounting them. Can you imagine the depreciation on a 70k 550. it will lose 40k in 24 months

Whilst that's true, the discount will come off the higher price, for instance my old F10 M5 was 67k invoice from a list price with options of 82k, if the new one is 92k with a few options it'll be....Well you get the point.

If they offer the same discounts/deals on the M550i as they did on the F10 M5, I'll get one but as you say better to let the early adopters have the first full up cars.

The 550 will have to compete with the E43(?) albeit the 550 has the legs on it. Naturally a 550 would be 55k (60k with some tasty options) and the M5 closer to 70k. It it's 80k they won't sell many in my opinion. Fantastic cars though. But I think you know that

You say that if it's £80k they wouldn't sell many, but the Merc E63 AMG has been over £80k....the M5 being quite a bit cheaper, and so this new price would bring it more in line with Merc. The Audi RS6, admittedly in estate-only, also starts at £80k.

[philmots]

Regiment said:

Burwood said:

The interior looks exactly the same as the old model.

So does the exterior.

You're both wrong.

[DuckDuck]

I hope this new one is a better driver than the last one. I have the F11 with rear steer and adaptive drive, including the active antiroll bar amongst many other options. I specced it this way believing the hype as my last, much loved, passively suspened msport touring was such well sorted and great car.

I'm very likely in the minority when I say that when they mention "even greater precision and agility that makes for exciting nimble handling" when they talk of the active anti roll bars, I don't believe them, in my view it's more to do with comfort than sport. They do a great job of killing feel and that sensation of "driving" that we all love.

I admire the tech but it's just taking over the whole driving experience.

[E65Ross]

Jellyfish said:

Can someone tell me what this 'lci' I keeep reading about on BMW's is please?

Life cycle impulse. Basically, facelift.

[biffy98]

I am concerned that the electronics in these will be so complex that the car will be scrapped after the warrany runs out