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Gary C said:
Iva Barchetta said:
Welshbeef said:
Why does the T16 straios etc all get so much more glory than what is the real daddy? is it purely due to the fact it is this car which sadly ended GroupB
However, it was bound to happen regardless of being group b. The Portuguese were mental, some would even try to touch the cars, as the legend goes. They would stand across the road and move at the last minute. I remember some drivers refusing to drive at speed due to the lack of crowd control.
This was 1985 and gives an idea of what the drivers faced.
Gary C said:
Iva Barchetta said:
Welshbeef said:
Why does the T16 straios etc all get so much more glory than what is the real daddy? is it purely due to the fact it is this car which sadly ended GroupB
However, it was bound to happen regardless of being group b. The Portuguese were mental, some would even try to touch the cars, as the legend goes. They would stand across the road and move at the last minute. I remember some drivers refusing to drive at speed due to the lack of crowd control.
Lunatics.
aeropilot said:
Gary C said:
Iva Barchetta said:
Welshbeef said:
Why does the T16 straios etc all get so much more glory than what is the real daddy? is it purely due to the fact it is this car which sadly ended GroupB
However, it was bound to happen regardless of being group b. The Portuguese were mental, some would even try to touch the cars, as the legend goes. They would stand across the road and move at the last minute. I remember some drivers refusing to drive at speed due to the lack of crowd control.
This was 1985 and gives an idea of what the drivers faced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-bpeREC4RA
I think it's Walter Röhrl driving?
RobM77 said:
Why did the spectators do it? Did hey stop after the RS200 incident or still play billy big balls/retarded rosking your life to try to touch a full on attack Group B car on a competition stage. Welshbeef said:
RobM77 said:
Why did the spectators do it? Did hey stop after the RS200 incident or still play billy big balls/retarded rosking your life to try to touch a full on attack Group B car on a competition stage. These older cars were slower than the latest WRC machines, but in my opinion way more exciting to watch. Motorsport often seems too obsessed with speed and less so with the spectacle. F1 has gone down the same road - I'd far rather watch the old V10s or the mix of engines in the early 90s than the turbos we have now - as a spectator I don't really see the performance difference that much, but I hear and feel the differences in the engines far more vividly.
RobM77 said:
I guess it was a combination of an adrenaline rush and that effect you get with big groups of people where they get collectively excited.
These older cars were slower than the latest WRC machines, but in my opinion way more exciting to watch. Motorsport often seems too obsessed with speed and less so with the spectacle. F1 has gone down the same road - I'd far rather watch the old V10s or the mix of engines in the early 90s than the turbos we have now - as a spectator I don't really see the performance difference that much, but I hear and feel the differences in the engines far more vividly.
I'm not sure they were slower in a straight line ? These older cars were slower than the latest WRC machines, but in my opinion way more exciting to watch. Motorsport often seems too obsessed with speed and less so with the spectacle. F1 has gone down the same road - I'd far rather watch the old V10s or the mix of engines in the early 90s than the turbos we have now - as a spectator I don't really see the performance difference that much, but I hear and feel the differences in the engines far more vividly.
I think DTM is also struggling now as they are so fast but the racing is inferior.
I think the FIA need to start to realise motorsport is first and foremost a form of entertainment
Welshbeef said:
RobM77 said:
I guess it was a combination of an adrenaline rush and that effect you get with big groups of people where they get collectively excited.
These older cars were slower than the latest WRC machines, but in my opinion way more exciting to watch. Motorsport often seems too obsessed with speed and less so with the spectacle. F1 has gone down the same road - I'd far rather watch the old V10s or the mix of engines in the early 90s than the turbos we have now - as a spectator I don't really see the performance difference that much, but I hear and feel the differences in the engines far more vividly.
I'm not sure they were slower in a straight line ? These older cars were slower than the latest WRC machines, but in my opinion way more exciting to watch. Motorsport often seems too obsessed with speed and less so with the spectacle. F1 has gone down the same road - I'd far rather watch the old V10s or the mix of engines in the early 90s than the turbos we have now - as a spectator I don't really see the performance difference that much, but I hear and feel the differences in the engines far more vividly.
I think DTM is also struggling now as they are so fast but the racing is inferior.
I think the FIA need to start to realise motorsport is first and foremost a form of entertainment
Welshbeef said:
RobM77 said:
Why did the spectators do it? 
k knows..... but it wasn't confined to Portugal, but they did have the worst reputation.I guess it was no different to why do children play chicken on railway lines for example?
The problem was made worse by the fact that the car speeds and acceleration had massively jumped within the space of just a few seasons between the old Group 4 days and the Group B monsters, so perception of how much they had playing chicken in front of a rally car was way off of what these people had been used to....
RobM77 said:
Welshbeef said:
RobM77 said:
Why did the spectators do it? Did hey stop after the RS200 incident or still play billy big balls/retarded rosking your life to try to touch a full on attack Group B car on a competition stage. These older cars were slower than the latest WRC machines, but in my opinion way more exciting to watch. Motorsport often seems too obsessed with speed and less so with the spectacle. F1 has gone down the same road - I'd far rather watch the old V10s or the mix of engines in the early 90s than the turbos we have now - as a spectator I don't really see the performance difference that much, but I hear and feel the differences in the engines far more vividly.
)Gary C said:
The drivers staged a revolt and refused to drive until the organisers dealt with it. Not sure how successful it was as I didn't watch much rallying after 86 until the McRae era (apart from Carlos in the Toyota )
Didn't he smash his helmet through the back doors in South Wales close to the finish line? )Welshbeef said:
I think the FIA need to start to realise motorsport is first and foremost a form of entertainment
No it isn't.It's first and foremost a competition where being the fastest means being the best.
The fact that it's occasionally interesting is a bi-product of a human beings' appreciation of speed, skill and also their lust for competition.
Welshbeef said:
Gary C said:
The drivers staged a revolt and refused to drive until the organisers dealt with it. Not sure how successful it was as I didn't watch much rallying after 86 until the McRae era (apart from Carlos in the Toyota )
Didn't he smash his helmet through the back doors in South Wales close to the finish line? )F1GTRUeno said:
Welshbeef said:
I think the FIA need to start to realise motorsport is first and foremost a form of entertainment
No it isn't.It's first and foremost a competition where being the fastest means being the best.
The fact that it's occasionally interesting is a bi-product of a human beings' appreciation of speed, skill and also their lust for competition.
All motor sport is played within rules and criteria and what class of competition. There are no unlimited classes anymore.
What you want to see is close exciting racing all within the same rules. If there is no overtaking or there is more grip than power it doesn't let the best talent shine through. More power than grip is where it is at balancing power delivery tyre wear more opportunity to overtake.
Personally I dispose the DRS zones instead cut aero drasticallyand have narrower slick tyres & more power and a screaming power unit
F1GTRUeno said:
Welshbeef said:
I think the FIA need to start to realise motorsport is first and foremost a form of entertainment
No it isn't.It's first and foremost a competition where being the fastest means being the best.
The fact that it's occasionally interesting is a bi-product of a human beings' appreciation of speed, skill and also their lust for competition.
SteveSteveson said:
The Range Rover Sport, because that's the car you mentioned. Which is not the same as the RR V8 Supercharged.
So what your now saying is a 503 Bhp car with a drag coefficient of 0.34 has a top speed of 155mph proves that a car with a drag coefficient of at least 0.41 and 450bhp can have a top speed of 185mph?
Top speed will be affected by the drag of the car - the drag coefficient is only part of the make-up of drag.So what your now saying is a 503 Bhp car with a drag coefficient of 0.34 has a top speed of 155mph proves that a car with a drag coefficient of at least 0.41 and 450bhp can have a top speed of 185mph?
Drag is the drag coefficient times the frontal area of the vehicle (CdA).
A RR has a huge frontal Area, so just looking at the Cd, doesn't give a fair realistic view of how fast it can go.
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