RE: Aston Martin DB11 vs. Porsche 911 Turbo S

[TooMany2cvs]

anonymous said:

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About £50k, probably.

[av185]

anonymous said:

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Not much and about the same as a cheap Aston and expensive Ford look.

[r129sl]

TooMany2cvs said:

r129sl said:

I would still prefer to see it without that naff vent behind the front wheel and without the black strip under the rear quarter windows.

The vents ain't going to happen, any more than the grille's likely to change shape in a hurry. But I don't mind either them or the black strip. TBH, without the strip, I think the r3q might look a bit heavy - it helps to break the line up the side.

I feel a bit stupid about the vents, I had forgotten how they are an Aston staple. However, I really don't like the way they join with the wheel arch. Too fiddly and gimmicky.

You're right about the rear end. It is a bit top heavy over the rear wheels. It is like the rear deck and hips are a but too high.

It's not organically beautiful, is it? Unlike the DB9 (or the slightly bitsa DB7 above).

[Cold]

The detailing around the side vents harks back to the centenary celebration logo of a few years ago.

[potamus]

Was this Aston the one that they couldn't sell so gave to the reviewers to wreck? What an appalling colour choice. Looks much better darker and with the proper grille.

[Carl_Manchester]

anonymous said:

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Just for balance here is a brand spanking 991.2 Turbo S with OEM factory additions (aerokit, painted bits in gloss black).








and here is one in a dodgy colour, this is a real car and is in display in one of the Porsche centres.

[Digga]

To my eyes, both of those 991 turbos look okay - the Jewish Racing Green one is a bit garish, but I can see it appealing to a certain, probably Middle Eastern audience, but is relatively inoffensive.

The white car looks superb - almost like a GT2 - and certainly shows off the vents and spoilers of the car better than the all black turbo S I was in recently.

[anonymous-user]

That White and black Turbo looks lovely to me.

I used to really dislike 911s but have grown to love that iconic and fluid outline. The turbo just adds some extra meat to a gorgeous body IMO.

[Digga]

Interestingly divisive car the 911 turbo, especially the water cooled variants; the car seems to draw admiration and reverence as much as resentment and misunderstanding. It often fares poorly in erroneous comparison with (almost universally acclaimed) GT variants. It's almost on message to hate on the 'boring, predictable' turbo.

The truth's much more complicated. Yes the numbers are crushingly competent, yes the keenness of handling cedes much to other 911s, not least GTs, but that is to miss the overall package and use ability. They are gorgeous, thuggish performers, but also incredibly versatile.

[av185]

Yes I think the 911 Turbo S is too often wrongly compared with Porsche GTs i.e. sports cars and always comes a poor second due to lack of driver involvement....which clearly misses the point, as it is, and always has been a GT .....few cars having come anywhere near approaching its overall ability.

[kambites]

With the Carreras heading more and more down the "GT" route, it's the GT3 which increasingly looks the odd one out.

[RobM77]

Does anyone have any idea what options the Aston had to add £45k to its price?!

I think the colour and spec are rather unfair on it; the other press car I've read reviews of (Evo & Autocar) looks far nicer. I still desire the DB9 more though - a normally aspirated V12 and far more attractive, to my eyes at least.

[Digga]

RobM77 said:

I still desire the DB9 more though - a normally aspirated V12 and far more attractive, to my eyes at least.

Me too and therein lies the issue.

If someone says do you like the 996 I'd say, generally, yes. I'd add that IMHO, more of the variants of the 997 look right IMHO. Asked about the 991 I'd say most of them look very good, albeit a bit large compared to their forebears - but this is the modern way will all cars and, if anything, the 911 is late to the game and might have suffered had they not expanded its dimensions - but it represents the newest and most up-to date iteration of the design.

The DB 11 on the other hand doesn't seem to bring as much to the party as the DB9, it merely looks different.

[RobM77]

Digga said:

RobM77 said:

I still desire the DB9 more though - a normally aspirated V12 and far more attractive, to my eyes at least.

Me too and therein lies the issue.

If someone says do you like the 996 I'd say, generally, yes. I'd add that IMHO, more of the variants of the 997 look right IMHO. Asked about the 991 I'd say most of them look very good, albeit a bit large compared to their forebears - but this is the modern way will all cars and, if anything, the 911 is late to the game and might have suffered had they not expanded its dimensions - but it represents the newest and most up-to date iteration of the design.

The DB 11 on the other hand doesn't seem to bring as much to the party as the DB9, it merely looks different.

Did Matt Becker do the ride and handling? If so, I'm sure it's a marked improvement and to be fair, I may prefer it if I drove both back to back. I'm really not keen on the latest trend to add turbos to get more power though - who wants more power in a GT car once you already have 400bhp+? If it means adding turbos, imho it's not worth it.

[pete1212]

I have the nausee when i look at a porsche, I wander if its possibe to use a same design for 250 years like this,,,when i looked at these 2 round headlights, I want vomit, i do not acre if the porsche is 10% quicker at slow speed, i do not need this, or this is for these idiots playboys late back.....i never thought a car brand could use this same design for so long, its a rippoff.

[Digga]

That's as maybe, but I've saw my second DB11, passing my office on Friday and it was in this dreadful 70's bathroom suite colour scheme - possibly the same car - and even second time around, it looks horrifying.

I need to see one in another colour, but it still looks ungainly IMHO.

[ChilliWhizz]

The DB11 in last Sunday's TG didn't look half bad... Even with some American bloke driving it Slightly biased but I think the Vantage is the better looking car, it's just beautiful without even trying hard... purity sums it up for me....

[leglessAlex]

pete1212 said:

I have the nausee when i look at a porsche, I wander if its possibe to use a same design for 250 years like this,,,when i looked at these 2 round headlights, I want vomit, i do not acre if the porsche is 10% quicker at slow speed, i do not need this, or this is for these idiots playboys late back.....i never thought a car brand could use this same design for so long, its a rippoff.

Two round headlights make you want to vomit? Bit extreme, no?

I've seen a few more DB11s on the road now and actually I'm rather coming around to them, particularly with a body-coloured roof.

[anonymous-user]

leglessAlex said:

pete1212 said:

I have the nausee when i look at a porsche, I wander if its possibe to use a same design for 250 years like this,,,when i looked at these 2 round headlights, I want vomit, i do not acre if the porsche is 10% quicker at slow speed, i do not need this, or this is for these idiots playboys late back.....i never thought a car brand could use this same design for so long, its a rippoff.

Two round headlights make you want to vomit? Bit extreme, no?

I've seen a few more DB11s on the road now and actually I'm rather coming around to them, particularly with a body-coloured roof.

I assume the word is nausea?

Anyways - I can only imagine that people who want an Aston above anything will choose the DB11. It fails in its looks in every department that the Vantage/DB9/DBS succeeds imho.

[Digga]

garyhun said:

I assume the word is nausea?

Anyways - I can only imagine that people who want an Aston above anything will choose the DB11. It fails in its looks in every department that the Vantage/DB9/DBS succeeds imho.

You mean mid-life-crisissers who want to believe they're Bond?