RE: McLaren 570S vs. McLaren 570GT

[PistonBroker]

Volvov70 said:

Was lucky enough to drive a 570GT at a business show (!!) in purple (!!) for no more than a flash of my licence . . .

Blimey, I think I know the one you mean. I knew there was a reason I should leave the office and take a trek out to these things!

[suffolk009]

simonrockman said:

You've got to wonder when the 911 will move to a carbon chassis.

And put the engine in the right place...

[E65Ross]

suffolk009 said:

simonrockman said:

You've got to wonder when the 911 will move to a carbon chassis.

And put the engine in the right place...

[the_hood]

You pay £143k and you don't even get parking sensors as standard!

[Vee12V]

Dan Trent said:

IainF said:

Yes, but...there are some questions around the real ownership experience with McLaren that might not concern PistonHeads journalists, but give those fortunate enough to be faced with the same new car choices something to think about. ... The car might be fantastic (and I happen to think the 570GT looks stunning) but ownership is not just about the car, it's about the whole package.

A fair point and, aside from the fun bit of choosing spec and all the rest, something we hope to explore with the long-term loan. I'm based in Yorkshire too so out of the general hunting ground + with clearance to rack up a few miles so hopefully will be able to offer some meaningful insight into actual life with the car. And whether these scenarios you portray are the kind of thing that might make McLaren ownership beyond the M25 something more involved than with an equivalent Porsche or Audi.

Watch this space!

Thanks,

Dan

Not sure how an extended loan (what, 6 months?) can cover issues with trackdays, prices of maintenance, lack of extended warranty or any other problems for real buyers, paying with their own money over a much greater period of time. They might give you one for a year but you'll never face any of these concerns.

[Onehp]

em177 said:

If it's anything like Ferrari it's not simply as easy as buying a car with no options...

Time will tell?

I do wonder, what about just buying a 540C base spec, it seems it's never mentioned. (Bit like the non S AMG's). Will there be enough people looking for an accesible way to buy into an modern (almost) supercar, say 5 years on?

[SpeckledJim]

simonrockman said:

You've got to wonder when the 911 will move to a carbon chassis.

Why would they? The 911 costs £30-40k to build, pretty-much regardless of which version it is, sells very well, and makes a bloody fortune.

I don't think buyers have any demands at all with regard to construction materials, as long as it's fast, easy to drive, and syncs with their iPhone.

[_Leg_]

daveco said:

Overall a lovely shape but that front end doesn't look right.

[erics]

Porsche has pi$$ed me off so much with the so called limited run of 991r and gt3/gt3rs before that. My money will go to McLaren when i am done with my i8 (which is am still enjoying very much btw).

Will be a 570gt in a subtle color with sport exhaust for me.

Sincerely hope Porsche people read these forums at times. They probably don't give a fk anyway.

[hondansx]

Wait a minute, what kind of verdict is that? Was a complete waste of time reading the article.

There needs to be more differentation. The GT3 and Turbo may post similar lap times but they go about it in very different ways, and look clearly different too.

[Carl_Manchester]

em177 said:

If it's anything like Ferrari it's not simply as easy as buying a car with no options...

we have at least one poverty spec 540s on the forum and i would gladly give my right arm to own it.

you only need to spec the front lift and a could of minor extras on it.

[RRSS]

Why No Pics of the two side by side from the rear and rear 3/4 in this comparison test if that's the main visual difference between the two?

[Ollieb7]

Compared to a captial gains dodging classic this is not a sound investment. Therefore to do it justice.. use it! Unfortunately most won't.

Ps. Can we have a manual more interactive version please so those that do can have more value out if the depreciation?

Apart from that - what a fantastic machine! 😬

[Ian_C]

Onehp said:

em177 said:

If it's anything like Ferrari it's not simply as easy as buying a car with no options...

Time will tell?

I do wonder, what about just buying a 540C base spec, it seems it's never mentioned. (Bit like the non S AMG's). Will there be enough people looking for an accesible way to buy into an modern (almost) supercar, say 5 years on?

This. A base 540C is what 126k? Bargain compared to that 570S '187k as tested'.

Hypothetically speaking, let's say you ordered a 540C with paint, sport exhaust, half interior carbon pack, security pack, around 10 or 11k of options, 137k for arguements sake - 50k less than that 570S. If your 540C is the cheapest on sale when the time comes to sell it, exactly as you say, there will always be someone who will buy it. No way will that 570S be worth 50k more than a fairly plain 540C in two three four five years time etc. If you add 22.5 grand of carbon fibre trim and 5 grand of carbon seats (like that 570S) you are not going to get that back when you sell.

Edit - 137 not 127k

Edited by Ian_C on Tuesday 18th October 20:31

[exceed]

Vee12V said:

Dan Trent said:

IainF said:

Yes, but...there are some questions around the real ownership experience with McLaren that might not concern PistonHeads journalists, but give those fortunate enough to be faced with the same new car choices something to think about. ... The car might be fantastic (and I happen to think the 570GT looks stunning) but ownership is not just about the car, it's about the whole package.

A fair point and, aside from the fun bit of choosing spec and all the rest, something we hope to explore with the long-term loan. I'm based in Yorkshire too so out of the general hunting ground + with clearance to rack up a few miles so hopefully will be able to offer some meaningful insight into actual life with the car. And whether these scenarios you portray are the kind of thing that might make McLaren ownership beyond the M25 something more involved than with an equivalent Porsche or Audi.

Watch this space!

Thanks,

Dan

Not sure how an extended loan (what, 6 months?) can cover issues with trackdays, prices of maintenance, lack of extended warranty or any other problems for real buyers, paying with their own money over a much greater period of time. They might give you one for a year but you'll never face any of these concerns.

This used to be the case, but now McLaren Pure events will do the checks on the day for all owners.

In terms of track days outside of Mclaren control you are restricted to dealers unfortunately...

I don't really get why people track their road cars, when for the same price you could buy a fully fledged GT3 car (12C/650/458/488/etc) for the same price or cheaper!

Ceramics are not cheap to replace and the 570 is not a track car...

[Mogul]

Are the £900 red brake callipers on the 570GT only red when they are really hot? They appear to be silver in all of the images provided...

[Speedgirl]

Lovely cars both, but S more PH than GT methinks. However if you're sensible you'll wait for the Spider next year. The S is in a different league from a cooking 991 in terms of pace and pin sharp handling but apart from that what I remember from a test drive most was the unwelcome attention from randoms driving along, that I think was made worse by the nutter orange paint job on the demo car. The electric seat controls were a bit impossible too. So Dan get a stealth one with things like power seats to test and I'd like to know if the lifting axle is worth it. The thing that put me off was depreciation. That's what guys on the "Mac" forum seem to moan about most, before going off and buying another one! If you've got the ready cash which I haven't it's hard to fault a 488, 7 year warranty, rock solid residuals, and seems to be a decent car. Probably cheaper in the long run.

[Audemars]

Front is absolutely awful.

Ugliest Mclaren to date. Are they blind? They build the best ever looking car in the 675LT and then deliver this monstrosity.

[footsoldier]

Well, I made the choice, and GT arrived last week.
Low key colour (blade sliver), Standard exhaust, no exterior carbon, will use most days.

Amazing difference in personality when you turn the dial from normal to track. (Although I doubt mine will go on one, despite visiting Silverstone paddock in photo below)

Compared to competitors, it really is more of a GT. I have the GT pack, and the sound system is really good, and with the quieter exhaust it can be appreciated. One of the best I've heard.

Seats are comfortable and access is easy with lower sills. The slightly slower steering, noise quietening tyres, and softer springs make it much more relaxing to drive on long journeys than similar cars. I did 6hrs straight last week with no issues.

It's a mistake to think the GT is a softer S (like Evo did). It's for a different purpose and you (PH...) should buy the one which suits the intended use. If you see the de-tuning as a compromise, and you want to be on track or using it mainly for adrenaline blasts then go for the S. If you want a road car with theatre and comfort, go for the GT. (Although, as said, the GT is certainly not lacking in excitement when in track mode).

I agree that engine sound is still not the best, but that's another good reason to go for the quieter version, IMO. I drove an early 12C and it gave me a headache!

Mine is currently with the Heathrow valet parking team - hope they're not appreciating it too much...

[mikEsprit]

hondansx said:

Wait a minute, what kind of verdict is that? Was a complete waste of time reading the article.

There needs to be more differentation. The GT3 and Turbo may post similar lap times but they go about it in very different ways, and look clearly different too.

Edit: I see I misread your last sentence. I'm referring to the McLarens, not the P cars.

Look clearly different? I feel like it's one of the comparison puzzles where you have to look very hard to find any differences.

One of them has more black on that side dent and...

They are basically twins with one a little heavier.

Edited by mikEsprit on Wednesday 19th October 02:12