RE: Honda Civic Type R (EK9): PH Heroes
Discussion
Loplop said:
Pardon?
An EK4 to an EK9 is night and day, even an EK4 SiR is considerably different to a UK EK, think the SiR has 176 ish HP?
Not mentioned in the article is the EK9 race base which doesn't have a Type R steering wheel, airbags, electric Windows, recaros etc... Because it was sold on the assumption that all of the interior would be stripped.
Let's not forget the Spoon tuned EK9 that saw a 13000 rpm (Yes, 13 THOUSAND) redline and around 240 bhp from the 1.6
love them.An EK4 to an EK9 is night and day, even an EK4 SiR is considerably different to a UK EK, think the SiR has 176 ish HP?
Not mentioned in the article is the EK9 race base which doesn't have a Type R steering wheel, airbags, electric Windows, recaros etc... Because it was sold on the assumption that all of the interior would be stripped.
Let's not forget the Spoon tuned EK9 that saw a 13000 rpm (Yes, 13 THOUSAND) redline and around 240 bhp from the 1.6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLbzrtPaMVM
Have to agree that Honda have lost their way- 95-00 was the golden period for the true type R's. Lightweight, excellent handling, revvy, slip-diff & able to humble some far more exotic machinery. Just watch the Best Motoribg vids...
The EK9's are fantastic little cars- only disadvantage compared to the DC2 Integra is having under 120lbs/ft of peak torque. Very little in it on the road however!
B18C (straight swap) or K20 conversions are thus popular.
Definite PH Hero status
The EK9's are fantastic little cars- only disadvantage compared to the DC2 Integra is having under 120lbs/ft of peak torque. Very little in it on the road however!
B18C (straight swap) or K20 conversions are thus popular.
Definite PH Hero status
Composite Guru said:
Pity Honda didn't stick to this philosophy on the new generation Type R's they sell here.
They seem to have thrown everything out of the window since the EP3 and just turned it into a fast Repmobile with all the toys.
Sad times Honda, you really screwed up here!!
Do you think a back to basics motor would sell better than the current crop of hot hatches? It might appeal to a few petrol heads but the audience for such a car is incredibly limited these days.They seem to have thrown everything out of the window since the EP3 and just turned it into a fast Repmobile with all the toys.
Sad times Honda, you really screwed up here!!
Sadly!
The problem is Honda are in the business of making money so if they want to sell more than a handful to hardcore enthusiasts then they need to give the Type R wider appeal. Plus the war on emissions has basically put an end to interesting engines. Sad I know but in these times of chasing every last percentage of profit margin, no company can really afford to spend money developing a car\engine that won't sell.
FN2TypeR said:
Composite Guru said:
Pity Honda didn't stick to this philosophy on the new generation Type R's they sell here.
They seem to have thrown everything out of the window since the EP3 and just turned it into a fast Repmobile with all the toys.
Sad times Honda, you really screwed up here!!
Do you think a back to basics motor would sell better than the current crop of hot hatches? It might appeal to a few petrol heads but the audience for such a car is incredibly limited these days.They seem to have thrown everything out of the window since the EP3 and just turned it into a fast Repmobile with all the toys.
Sad times Honda, you really screwed up here!!
Sadly!
If they bought out something barebones like the EK again I would by one like a shot. I don't need all that rubbish for a proper drive.
FN2TypeR said:
Do you think a back to basics motor would sell better than the current crop of hot hatches? It might appeal to a few petrol heads but the audience for such a car is incredibly limited these days.
Sadly!
The day when people shout about the weight of their cars down the pub instead of how many BHP they have, is the day when back to basics cars will sell...Sadly!
Composite Guru said:
FN2TypeR said:
Composite Guru said:
Pity Honda didn't stick to this philosophy on the new generation Type R's they sell here.
They seem to have thrown everything out of the window since the EP3 and just turned it into a fast Repmobile with all the toys.
Sad times Honda, you really screwed up here!!
Do you think a back to basics motor would sell better than the current crop of hot hatches? It might appeal to a few petrol heads but the audience for such a car is incredibly limited these days.They seem to have thrown everything out of the window since the EP3 and just turned it into a fast Repmobile with all the toys.
Sad times Honda, you really screwed up here!!
Sadly!
If they bought out something barebones like the EK again I would by one like a shot. I don't need all that rubbish for a proper drive.
But being serious, I too would like such things in honesty, alas, the manufacturers clearly aren't interested for whatever reason - I'd hedge a bet that there isn't much of a market for such things being the primary motivator.
The Mugen FN2 was an interesting idea but the cost was pretty prohibitive, shedding weight can be a costly business once you get into the engineering nitty gritty, as in, beyond ripping the interior out, for example
The Megan R26.R was the last serious attempt at a proper hardcore hatchback that I can remember. Proper weight saving, hi revving NA engine, trick suspension, rave reviews in all the magazines and yet they sold about 2. You have to realise that what some PH'ers want and what the general public want in a car are often 2 very different things and there are a lot more of them then there are of us.
crashley said:
Interesting little cars, worth noting they weren't that much quicker than the 168bhp VTI. Indeed my mum had a Civic Jordan from new that she ran until about 130k miles, when i (stupidly) sold it to some guys from Birmingham for a song.
V927 MJN- where are you now!?
http://www.ukvehicle.com/V927MJN/V927 MJN- where are you now!?
Seems like it's still around
Guvernator said:
The Megan R26.R was the last serious attempt at a proper hardcore hatchback that I can remember. Proper weight saving, hi revving NA engine, trick suspension, rave reviews in all the magazines and yet they sold about 2. You have to realise that what some PH'ers want and what the general public want in a car are often 2 very different things and there are a lot more of them then there are of us.
You do know the r26r was turbocharged There was also the fd2
Guvernator said:
The Megan R26.R was the last serious attempt at a proper hardcore hatchback that I can remember. Proper weight saving, hi revving NA engine, trick suspension, rave reviews in all the magazines and yet they sold about 2. You have to realise that what some PH'ers want and what the general public want in a car are often 2 very different things and there are a lot more of them then there are of us.
The Megane R26.R didn't have a hi revving NA engine? But yes it's strange how they struggled to sell them when new, then within only a few years everyone wanted one and the prices headed north again.Guvernator said:
dollyboy said:
The Megane R26.R didn't have a hi revving NA engine? But yes it's strange how they struggled to sell them when new, then within only a few years everyone wanted one and the prices headed north again.
Opps my mistake, for some reason I had it in my head it had an N\A. 
I'll have to take a look at the EK9's some more I think, I'm considering getting something basic and fun, probably 90's so it's fairly cheap, to use for weekend blasts and a few trackdays. Was considering a DC2, so maybe I should be looking at the EK9 Type R as well. Not sure whether to go rwd though.
dollyboy said:
I'd love to own an R26.R, if only the prices were a bit closer to a normal R26. I don't think I could justify the paying the prices they're going for, not when you can get a nice E90 M3 for the same money.
I'll have to take a look at the EK9's some more I think, I'm considering getting something basic and fun, probably 90's so it's fairly cheap, to use for weekend blasts and a few trackdays. Was considering a DC2, so maybe I should be looking at the EK9 Type R as well. Not sure whether to go rwd though.
As the feature says EK9's start at about £6K now (thats mine in the feature and I paid £7K 3 years ago) so prices in my opinion for a track day car are a little expensive. You'd maybe better off (financially) if you went for something like a Clio 172 or if you wanted to go Jap a Glanza VI'll have to take a look at the EK9's some more I think, I'm considering getting something basic and fun, probably 90's so it's fairly cheap, to use for weekend blasts and a few trackdays. Was considering a DC2, so maybe I should be looking at the EK9 Type R as well. Not sure whether to go rwd though.
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