Where have all the good Civic Type R's gone?
Discussion
FN2TypeR said:
I doubt a few choice modifications will damage the value too much if quality parts have been used and the car has been well cared for, getting your money back on modifications is always a tricky business of course but that's a different matter entirely.
I've seen a few of Butter Faces posts about the car and it seems to be a lovely thing so it's hardly a wreck that has been Barried, slammed and badly abused.
But the key line OP used his servicing is being done by his friend (mates rates) so service history would strictly be parts and lubeno labour costs (cash in hand or is he a limited company?) I've seen a few of Butter Faces posts about the car and it seems to be a lovely thing so it's hardly a wreck that has been Barried, slammed and badly abused.
Had my EP3 a few years now, great fun car, I started off looking at £3-4k cars which at the time got you a smart standard Premier with a few miles, missed out on what sounded like a great car, and then ended up halving the budget and got an older pre-facelift car that was played about with 'a little', mines just used, but not abused as a daily when it's raining and I don't fancy cycling to work, be amazed if it's gone up in value but happy if it's stayed level.
Welshbeef said:
But the key line OP used his servicing is being done by his friend (mates rates) so service history would strictly be parts and lubeno labour costs (cash in hand or is he a limited company?)
Is "self" servicing a car like this a bad thing? It could be if the person doing it is an abject chump but I'd take it on a case by case basis, if I turned up to buy a car privately, an EP3 being a good example of what could and the owner had an absolute wedge of invoices for good quality parts, appeared enthusiastic about the car and knew their stuff I wouldn't have much cause for concern. If I turned up and it was a case of "yeah mate serviced it my self, lost the paperwork but trust me it's done" whilst the car is sitting on four cheap, mismatched and bald tyres then that's a different kettle of fish entirely of course.
FN2TypeR said:
Welshbeef said:
But the key line OP used his servicing is being done by his friend (mates rates) so service history would strictly be parts and lubeno labour costs (cash in hand or is he a limited company?)
Is "self" servicing a car like this a bad thing? It could be if the person doing it is an abject chump but I'd take it on a case by case basis, if I turned up to buy a car privately, an EP3 being a good example of what could and the owner had an absolute wedge of invoices for good quality parts, appeared enthusiastic about the car and knew their stuff I wouldn't have much cause for concern. If I turned up and it was a case of "yeah mate serviced it my self, lost the paperwork but trust me it's done" whilst the car is sitting on four cheap, mismatched and bald tyres then that's a different kettle of fish entirely of course.
Clearly any self serviced car with loose history will never be worth much whereas this great example 1 owner FHSH could have been now clearly it will not be.
Welshbeef said:
FN2TypeR said:
Welshbeef said:
But the key line OP used his servicing is being done by his friend (mates rates) so service history would strictly be parts and lubeno labour costs (cash in hand or is he a limited company?)
Is "self" servicing a car like this a bad thing? It could be if the person doing it is an abject chump but I'd take it on a case by case basis, if I turned up to buy a car privately, an EP3 being a good example of what could and the owner had an absolute wedge of invoices for good quality parts, appeared enthusiastic about the car and knew their stuff I wouldn't have much cause for concern. If I turned up and it was a case of "yeah mate serviced it my self, lost the paperwork but trust me it's done" whilst the car is sitting on four cheap, mismatched and bald tyres then that's a different kettle of fish entirely of course.
Clearly any self serviced car with loose history will never be worth much whereas this great example 1 owner FHSH could have been now clearly it will not be.
I only bought this car because it was cheap TBH.
How much difference does it make? On a car that's selling for 6k (for a late car) is one with less history worth 5k?
I'm looking for an FN2 but prices do seem a lot higher than I expected, particularly for high mileage cars. Ideally I want one that hasn't been hacked about with too much, although that's probably more because I haven't had time to investigate which mods are genuine improvements as opposed to cosmetic or ego-based.
I bought a car from a dealer about 50 miles away once. When I picked it up they hadn't done one of the small jobs we'd agreed, but as I'd travelled all that way it was hard to reject the car. As it happened, it had to go back anyway to fix something else and getting it back there was a pain in the arse. I decided I'd have been better off buying privately, as at least you are not obliged to go back to the seller if there's a problem.
Tickle said:
Why discount the ones that are 'miles away'? You can get pretty much anywhere in the uk in a day. Make sure the seller sends all the pictures and information on the car to satisfy your expectations, the get the train and drive it home. Whats a day of travel for the car you want.
I don't disagree but it's putting a fair amount of faith in the seller's honesty. I bought a car from a dealer about 50 miles away once. When I picked it up they hadn't done one of the small jobs we'd agreed, but as I'd travelled all that way it was hard to reject the car. As it happened, it had to go back anyway to fix something else and getting it back there was a pain in the arse. I decided I'd have been better off buying privately, as at least you are not obliged to go back to the seller if there's a problem.
Butter Face said:
Welshbeef said:
FN2TypeR said:
Welshbeef said:
But the key line OP used his servicing is being done by his friend (mates rates) so service history would strictly be parts and lubeno labour costs (cash in hand or is he a limited company?)
Is "self" servicing a car like this a bad thing? It could be if the person doing it is an abject chump but I'd take it on a case by case basis, if I turned up to buy a car privately, an EP3 being a good example of what could and the owner had an absolute wedge of invoices for good quality parts, appeared enthusiastic about the car and knew their stuff I wouldn't have much cause for concern. If I turned up and it was a case of "yeah mate serviced it my self, lost the paperwork but trust me it's done" whilst the car is sitting on four cheap, mismatched and bald tyres then that's a different kettle of fish entirely of course.
Clearly any self serviced car with loose history will never be worth much whereas this great example 1 owner FHSH could have been now clearly it will not be.
I only bought this car because it was cheap TBH.
How much difference does it make? On a car that's selling for 6k (for a late car) is one with less history worth 5k?
How much difference does it make? To retain value quite a bit.
Welshbeef said:
These could be a car which increases in value in the future especially as OP posts up about where have they all gone... well trashed or the dross scrapped or those keeping them meaning prices going up. It is far superior to the model that replaced it.
How much difference does it make? To retain value quite a bit.
I think they will hit a level and stop. Some people will be willing to pay strong money for top spec/late plate/low mileage cars but they won't ever be worth fortunes (as a whole) IMO.How much difference does it make? To retain value quite a bit.
There's too many of them, they are just a Honda Civic at the end of the day and they don't have the following like Ford RS models etc.
Civics are IMO a transitional car, there's a few hardcore idiots (like me) who like them and keep coming back, but most (like me) aren't buyers of the top spec/low mileage/late plate cars as we like to mess with them too much.
Welshbeef said:
FN2TypeR said:
Welshbeef said:
But the key line OP used his servicing is being done by his friend (mates rates) so service history would strictly be parts and lubeno labour costs (cash in hand or is he a limited company?)
Is "self" servicing a car like this a bad thing? It could be if the person doing it is an abject chump but I'd take it on a case by case basis, if I turned up to buy a car privately, an EP3 being a good example of what could and the owner had an absolute wedge of invoices for good quality parts, appeared enthusiastic about the car and knew their stuff I wouldn't have much cause for concern. If I turned up and it was a case of "yeah mate serviced it my self, lost the paperwork but trust me it's done" whilst the car is sitting on four cheap, mismatched and bald tyres then that's a different kettle of fish entirely of course.
Clearly any self serviced car with loose history will never be worth much whereas this great example 1 owner FHSH could have been now clearly it will not be.
For some of us anyway.
Would I be buying an eighteen month old Volvo XC90 under such circumstances? No. But an old Type R where all the available evidence points to it being well looked after and having been given the servicing and care it needs? Yes.
Just because a car has a full service history from a main dealer doesn't mean it has been well looked after - they could have rolled it out of the garage and red lined it in every gear on the way home from cold, you're always taking a risk with buying used but if the signs are there that the car has been well looked after privately that would go a long way towards assuaging my worries.
gndr said:
Got my FN2 from a Honda Dealer around a year ago now. 1 owner at 44k miles. Was mint. Totally standard and will remain to be I think. Doubt I'll be tracking it too. Someones gonna have a very nice clean example when I get round to selling it. Won't be any time soon mind.
Mine came from a local independent, one owner prior to me, some old insurance documents were in the glove box, he was in the army! The car was a credit to the chap too in so far as I could tell, the alloys and paint were spot on, apart from one evil stone chip on the bonnet (thin FN2 paint), four matching and good quality tyres, car had been serviced on the button - couldn't complain at all!
It's bronze too, which was quite a rare colour as I believe it was a costly factory option, looks lovely when it's clean and the sun is shining (not that often up here sadly).
It had Rage alloys but I binned 'em off, they ruin the ride completely.
sbyers10 said:
http://www.kintorecarsales.co.uk/used-cars?page=3
A long way for you but I can recommend them, great garage and have an EP3
"Always looks ace in Satin Silver" - who puts that in a trade advert?!A long way for you but I can recommend them, great garage and have an EP3
giger said:
sbyers10 said:
http://www.kintorecarsales.co.uk/used-cars?page=3
A long way for you but I can recommend them, great garage and have an EP3
"Always looks ace in Satin Silver" - who puts that in a trade advert?!A long way for you but I can recommend them, great garage and have an EP3
Anyway they are wrong as it's the worst colour!
FN2TypeR said:
giger said:
sbyers10 said:
http://www.kintorecarsales.co.uk/used-cars?page=3
A long way for you but I can recommend them, great garage and have an EP3
"Always looks ace in Satin Silver" - who puts that in a trade advert?!A long way for you but I can recommend them, great garage and have an EP3
Anyway they are wrong as it's the worst colour!
Silver - Bland
Red - Fades
Black - Scratches
Grey - Meh
CW - JDM only & Just white.
The FN2 got some nicer colours, Sapphire Blue is superb.
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