Is this a thing now? (always on indicators)
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I have a theory on the lights, bear with me on this.
In America, where having a car is pretty much a necessity, the 'MOT' standard is (I think) a lot less, er, strict than in the UK. In fact, is there an MOT ?
Anyway, without said strictness, cars more often travel about the place with defective head/tail lights. Cue the car companies deciding, I know we'll have the sidelights and indicators on permanently so that in low light conditions cars will be less likely to be missed as they have 'some' lights on. Thus reducing accidents overall.
In America, where having a car is pretty much a necessity, the 'MOT' standard is (I think) a lot less, er, strict than in the UK. In fact, is there an MOT ?
Anyway, without said strictness, cars more often travel about the place with defective head/tail lights. Cue the car companies deciding, I know we'll have the sidelights and indicators on permanently so that in low light conditions cars will be less likely to be missed as they have 'some' lights on. Thus reducing accidents overall.
Oilchange said:
I have a theory on the lights, bear with me on this.
In America, where having a car is pretty much a necessity, the 'MOT' standard is (I think) a lot less, er, strict than in the UK. In fact, is there an MOT ?
It depends on the individual states.In America, where having a car is pretty much a necessity, the 'MOT' standard is (I think) a lot less, er, strict than in the UK. In fact, is there an MOT ?
In some it's strict, others not so and some don't have it at all.
The orange indicator always on (although only 5w, the indicator is still 21w) is just an early version of the DRL.
Cold said:
Don't some models of the LR Discovery do this straight out of the box too?
Yes. - Pre-facelift Discovery 2s have an orange LED in the top corner of the indicator that comes on with the sidelights. The facelift cars have an orange reflector strip on the side of the front headlight. Mine has the LED connected behind that. If anyone "gets confused", bless them, between that and an indicator, they should't have a driving licence. 
Also, cars like the E60 5-Series have an amber strip within the headlights on UK models.
Having driven quite a lot in the States, where orange running lights are very common, it's a total non-issue.
HD Adam said:
Everybody should shrug when certain dog owners can't be bothered to clean up after their pets
Answer one question for me. Have you ever been walking somewhere, got where you needed to be - maybe sat in the driving seat of your car - and noticed that unmistakable stench? Realised that because of somebody else's lazy, arrogant, somebody-else-will-sort-this-out world view, you've got to scrub dogs
t off your boots and wherever else you've walked it? Of course you have, everybody has. Your moral compass needs recalibrating. Is it up there with rapes and murders? Of course not. It's just the drip, drip, drip of people not giving a damn about other people.bitcrusher said:
HD Adam said:
Everybody should shrug when certain dog owners can't be bothered to clean up after their pets
Answer one question for me. Have you ever been walking somewhere, got where you needed to be - maybe sat in the driving seat of your car - and noticed that unmistakable stench? Realised that because of somebody else's lazy, arrogant, somebody-else-will-sort-this-out world view, you've got to scrub dogst off your boots and wherever else you've walked it? Of course you have, everybody has. Your moral compass needs recalibrating. Is it up there with rapes and murders? Of course not. It's just the drip, drip, drip of people not giving a damn about other people.t as an adult. I generally look where I'm going.But, I genuinely don't care. People don't clear up horse s
t or follow their cat to see where it's done a jobbie.I'ts not about the poop though. It's about people policing other people. I don't do that in general.
HD Adam said:
I don't think I've ever stepped in dog st as an adult. I generally look where I'm going.
But, I genuinely don't care. People don't clear up horse st or follow their cat to see where it's done a jobbie.
I'ts not about the poop though. It's about people policing other people. I don't do that in general.
Easier said than done. I walked across the park near where I live in the dark the other day and sure enough trod in some somewhere along the way.t as an adult. I generally look where I'm going.But, I genuinely don't care. People don't clear up horse s
t or follow their cat to see where it's done a jobbie.I'ts not about the poop though. It's about people policing other people. I don't do that in general.
Have you ever heard of Robert Peel's principle of policing by consent? Our Police Force *are* people policing people. Our society depends upon it.
The horse and cat examples are specious - cats tend to bury it and/or go in the undergrowth and horses are herbivores - their manure doesn't cause the catalogue of issues dog poo can to humans. Plus they tend to crap where they live i.e. in fields.
If you're walking your dog in the woods off the beaten track and it goes in the undergrowth, fair enough, it'll decompose and cause no issue to anybody. If it's on a pavement or in a park you're the human equivalent of what your dog just deposited if you don't clean it up. You're just making excuses for your lack of knowledge and laziness.
ukaskew said:
Twice this week I've had cars behind me that have their indicator bulbs on permanently, and no other lights. When reaching a turning/roundabout they then use them as conventional indicators (i.e. they flash).
I know this has been fairly common in the US for a long time, but these were right hand drive European cars (a BMW and an Audi), so presumably modified intentionally to do it. Neither car was completely standard, so is it a 'scene' thing?
For clarity, definitely not side lights or DRLS, these are proper yellow/orange repeater bulbs/LEDs.
Incidently, yellow headlights seem to be 'in' again as well.
Oh no! Now it will be headlights, fog lights and indicator lights.All at once. (driver insecure, wants to be noticed?)I know this has been fairly common in the US for a long time, but these were right hand drive European cars (a BMW and an Audi), so presumably modified intentionally to do it. Neither car was completely standard, so is it a 'scene' thing?
For clarity, definitely not side lights or DRLS, these are proper yellow/orange repeater bulbs/LEDs.
Incidently, yellow headlights seem to be 'in' again as well.
I coded this onto my e39 along with a few other coded mods last night. It's very dim in comparison to the indicator flash and illuminates with the standard sidelights on too, both at the same brightness.
I'd not been sure about them but thought I'll give them a go and see what I think, it's very easy to code them on and off again. I'm going to leave them for a few days and see what I think.
FWIW, people who don't pick up their dog's poop annoy my head!!
I'd not been sure about them but thought I'll give them a go and see what I think, it's very easy to code them on and off again. I'm going to leave them for a few days and see what I think.
FWIW, people who don't pick up their dog's poop annoy my head!!
Bought a Mini Cooper S R56. It has failed it's MOT because the indicators are always on when the headlights/sidelights are on. They are not as bright but otherwise work normally. There are no obvious signs of a mod kit. Seems a bit too controlled to be a problem with the footwell unit.
Has this been done via the ECU?
If so can I buy a code reader to reset it?
Has this been done via the ECU?
If so can I buy a code reader to reset it?
Jaguar Steve - I like your style.
I like it enough that I've collected your posts in one place so the bellends can read them again.
I like it enough that I've collected your posts in one place so the bellends can read them again.
Jaguar steve said:
It's the all about me thing again isn't it.
It's the hard of thinking placing a higher priority on creating a persona for themselves by adopting whatever is the current craze among the vain and dull witted rather than using vehicle lighting for its proper purpose which is to assist other road users to make better decisions and progress by informing them of your presence and intentions.
Retards.
It's the hard of thinking placing a higher priority on creating a persona for themselves by adopting whatever is the current craze among the vain and dull witted rather than using vehicle lighting for its proper purpose which is to assist other road users to make better decisions and progress by informing them of your presence and intentions.
Retards.
Jaguar steve said:
Point is indicators aren't on your car to make you look good, they are on your car to assist other road users. They're about working in a accepted and expected manner which in turn helps everybody else to anticipate and plan and make better progress and never in a million years are they a fashion statement.
So why force everybody else to hesitate and have a WTF is that retard about to do double take moment on a busy junction because your indicators aren't working properly and been permanently lit instead, and all for nothing more than you've fallen victim to the latest craze among the self centered and hard of thinking?
It's all about Meeeeee really isn't it? Hey - look at Meeeeee everybody! Check those liiiights Guys, aren't I a coooool Dude!
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So why force everybody else to hesitate and have a WTF is that retard about to do double take moment on a busy junction because your indicators aren't working properly and been permanently lit instead, and all for nothing more than you've fallen victim to the latest craze among the self centered and hard of thinking?
It's all about Meeeeee really isn't it? Hey - look at Meeeeee everybody! Check those liiiights Guys, aren't I a coooool Dude!
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t Jaguar steve said:
Whats wrong with that attitude is not actually the missing plate but the general fkuc the law mindset that permits it. That self centered attitude affects everybody else so yes, it's very much everybody else's business.
If you deliberately choose to not display a front number plate or deliberately tint windows beyond legality then either you're entirely ignorant of the law or breathtakingly arrogant in assuming the law doesn't apply to you. And for what exactly? It can't be anything more important than identifying and conforming with a sub set of humanity who thinks their own personal weirdo needs and desires to make some sort of trendy fashion statement are a much more important priority to them than any obligation to conform with the requirements in place for the benefit of everybody else.
Ignorance and arrogance. Nothing appealing about either. Nor is there anything remotely appealing about strutting about like a self important Cockwhisk telling everybody else to mind their own business when by your own admission it's clearly you that's out of order.
I'll wager you're exactly the type of sanctimonious little tosser whom should you become involved in a situation that required you to positively identify another vehicle but you couldn't because it had a missing number plate or you got T boned at a junction because the other driver couldn't see you through excessively tinted windows syou'd be absolutely outraged at the injustice of it and cry loudest and longest of all.
If you deliberately choose to not display a front number plate or deliberately tint windows beyond legality then either you're entirely ignorant of the law or breathtakingly arrogant in assuming the law doesn't apply to you. And for what exactly? It can't be anything more important than identifying and conforming with a sub set of humanity who thinks their own personal weirdo needs and desires to make some sort of trendy fashion statement are a much more important priority to them than any obligation to conform with the requirements in place for the benefit of everybody else.
Ignorance and arrogance. Nothing appealing about either. Nor is there anything remotely appealing about strutting about like a self important Cockwhisk telling everybody else to mind their own business when by your own admission it's clearly you that's out of order.
I'll wager you're exactly the type of sanctimonious little tosser whom should you become involved in a situation that required you to positively identify another vehicle but you couldn't because it had a missing number plate or you got T boned at a junction because the other driver couldn't see you through excessively tinted windows syou'd be absolutely outraged at the injustice of it and cry loudest and longest of all.
Jaguar steve said:
I make an effort to exactly that because I place value on the advantages of doing so. Not for any sense of smug moral superiority but rather I'm of the mind that the law protects the common good of everybody and only the excessively stupid or terminally self centered willfully ignore it. I don't always agree with it but nevertheless show it the respect it deserves because it's just a fact if you pay the law the attention it requires it'll work for you and not against you.
I'd quite willingly break the law for a genuinely worthwhile cause such as stealing food for a starving child or medicine for somebody in real need or to prevent anybody coming to serious harm, but really? Just to conform with whatever the latest fad mouth breathers and the hard of thinking have adopted to identify themselves to each other?
Nah. Not me, thanks.
Nice ranting!I'd quite willingly break the law for a genuinely worthwhile cause such as stealing food for a starving child or medicine for somebody in real need or to prevent anybody coming to serious harm, but really? Just to conform with whatever the latest fad mouth breathers and the hard of thinking have adopted to identify themselves to each other?
Nah. Not me, thanks.
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