RE: Audi RS6 Avant vs. Nissan GT-R: PH Video
Discussion
We paid a lot 'south' of 100k for ours, and yes I've an Exige V6 in the garage too.
The videos fun and not sure why so many get bent of of shape over it. I'm impressed it held onto the GTR for so long! Had a drive of the BiT Avant and sure it would do 90% of the job the RS6 would do. But that other 10% is important to some of us.
The videos fun and not sure why so many get bent of of shape over it. I'm impressed it held onto the GTR for so long! Had a drive of the BiT Avant and sure it would do 90% of the job the RS6 would do. But that other 10% is important to some of us.
ZesPak said:
Price, as tested, stated 99k though. Probably loaded with options but still...
It's a press car, I suspect it has options that very few owners will actually select. Also, that £99k will be the list price, which is irrelevant if you're actually buying one, all that matters is the price after the discount. chris watton said:
Matt100HP said:
chris watton said:
In fairness, it's a factory estate car that costs well north of £100k....
Except it doesn't cost anywhere near £100k, never mind "well north" of £100k. I have no doubt that you could option an RS6 Performance up to £100k and beyond, but the base car (if you can describe any RS6 Performance as a base car...) can be had brand new for less than £75k. Sure, it isn't cheap, but nor is it this £100k+ figure people seem to be throwing around.
I know little about these cars, I was basing my post on this:
ogrodz said:
The RS6 is probably the best all-rounder on the market at the moment. But the £100K (including radio) price tag is just bonkers. My RS4 B7 cab - at circa £20K - is not quite as fast but using the "bang for buck algorithm", I think it wins over the RS6.
Broadspeed can get you one for £73k if you lay off the options list: https://broadspeed.com/main/search_results/Audi/RS...
Lord_Howit_Hertz said:
These £100k quotes need to be taken with a pinch of salt, 5 seconds on broadspeed and you can get a base spec Performance Estate for £73k before even getting a dealer offer.
Beaten to it!!
Which makes it quite good value for money... Beaten to it!!
Edited by Lord_Howit_Hertz on Friday 21st October 13:21
oh and if your into modding a £1500 spent on one would make it a 0-100 in 6s car....
to get a GTR to 700 bhp it takes quite a bit more £££
Onehp said:
565 litres in the boot...
I know I should be reading What Car if I'm going to make comments like this, but this is the part I cannot understand. How do these massive two ton estates have such small boots? It's the same with massive SUVs. They all have very poor packaging. An Octavia estate has a 610 litre boot.drmark said:
SWoll said:
I don't get the appeal of the RS6 at all in the UK. Looked horrible on track, lurching from corner to corner with understeer between, almost no sound from the engine and just not special enough to warrant the pricetag.
On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
Watch again. It doesn't lurch - but it's no hot hatch as Dan points out - and it feels like a car half its weight simply because of effortless power, powerful brakes and DRC flattening out lean. On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
Epic car though. Really shouldn't be possible to do what it can do. With a mower in the back...
DanielSan said:
Don't know on the new one but I borrowed the old V8 RS6 from a mate for a few weeks over winter while my Subaru was in for its rebuild. 18-19mpg is just about doable so it's not all bad 
It drops onto 4 cylinders when pottering on a motorway. Leeds to Southampton I saw 25mpg or so. Daily around town...about 6 - 8 mpg..
SWoll said:
I suppose it depends on your definition of 'does everything'. Very practical and super quick in a straight line but I imagine unless you are regularly moving wardrobes about or travelling 5 up the GTR covers more bases from an enthusiasts point of view? Good on track, more involving on road and just as quick? They are both compromised by being too big for the average road though IMHO.
I know it's a pretty pointless comparison, but for the money I'd be more tempted by a 3.0 BiTDi Avant and an Exige V6. Then you really do have all of the bases covered.
Mine is a free perk. If it was my own money I would agree with you and said as much on here before. An S-line/black edition 3 litre TD A6 would accomplish most of the drives that you would want your daily to undertake and then leave your driving pleasure to something with more feedback such as an Exige. The RS6 is a bonkers car and it does make me laugh as it is so utterly unnecessary. Thank God such things exits and its pointlessness actually forms part of its charm. I know it's a pretty pointless comparison, but for the money I'd be more tempted by a 3.0 BiTDi Avant and an Exige V6. Then you really do have all of the bases covered.
I have had my RS6 Performance since March. It has done everything, taken the dog a few thousand miles, been to the tip and provided very civilised even reasonably riding every day transport. A motorway cruise will return 30 mpg, half the engine cuts off.
AND it puts just the most amazing smile on my face when i exercise it. The sports exhaust pops and crackles, and is just balistically quick and as the test proved there is very little thats faster. And it will be tracked in a few weeks. it has ceramic brakes so hopefully the brakes will last even if the tyres don't!! I know its all pretty stupid but if you are on a PH forum you probably love this stuff too.
AND it puts just the most amazing smile on my face when i exercise it. The sports exhaust pops and crackles, and is just balistically quick and as the test proved there is very little thats faster. And it will be tracked in a few weeks. it has ceramic brakes so hopefully the brakes will last even if the tyres don't!! I know its all pretty stupid but if you are on a PH forum you probably love this stuff too.
tinnes said:
I have had my RS6 Performance since March. It has done everything, taken the dog a few thousand miles, been to the tip and provided very civilised even reasonably riding every day transport. A motorway cruise will return 30 mpg, half the engine cuts off.
AND it puts just the most amazing smile on my face when i exercise it. The sports exhaust pops and crackles, and is just balistically quick and as the test proved there is very little thats faster. And it will be tracked in a few weeks. it has ceramic brakes so hopefully the brakes will last even if the tyres don't!! I know its all pretty stupid but if you are on a PH forum you probably love this stuff too.
I'm very jealous ! Pics please and when are you taking to MRC AND it puts just the most amazing smile on my face when i exercise it. The sports exhaust pops and crackles, and is just balistically quick and as the test proved there is very little thats faster. And it will be tracked in a few weeks. it has ceramic brakes so hopefully the brakes will last even if the tyres don't!! I know its all pretty stupid but if you are on a PH forum you probably love this stuff too.
alock said:
I know I should be reading What Car if I'm going to make comments like this, but this is the part I cannot understand. How do these massive two ton estates have such small boots? It's the same with massive SUVs. They all have very poor packaging. An Octavia estate has a 610 litre boot.
Perhaps you get some more rear space for the passengers but again, no massive difference. So no defence for it needing to be so big/heavy. Even an AWD Golf R estate has over 600l and is 500kg down. As for do it all comfort, I would really hope the weight would offer some wafting comfort. But also here from a driving enthusiast perspective, I already think the 'mini RS6' Golf R estate/ Leon Cupra ST/Octavia VRS are plenty comfy to the degree that they isolate you from the driving almost too much already!
I do think an RS6 is cool, and think I would prefer a RS7 hatchback as a uberfast drivers limousine, but as a do it all fast drivers car without regular access to German autobahns, you have already noticed I think the 'mini RS6' versions make a better case for the driving enthusiast...
Sorry but am I missing something here?
If you actually compared these two car's track times on a like-for-like basis, they wouldn't be close at all.
I appreciate the RS6 is an incredibly fast car, and for what it is I'm sure it's a lot of fun, but it really isn't comparable in performance terms to the GT-R.
If you actually compared these two car's track times on a like-for-like basis, they wouldn't be close at all.
I appreciate the RS6 is an incredibly fast car, and for what it is I'm sure it's a lot of fun, but it really isn't comparable in performance terms to the GT-R.
Currently own an new RS6 performance like in the video (blue mind you)
Previous to this was arguably one the best drivers car at any price a Porsche Cayman GTS.
Previous to this a first edition GTR
And before that another iconic drivers car a BMW M3 comp package (e92)
So I have had my fair share of 'drivers' cars and loved them all for there own reasons, except the GTR we just didn't get on and sold it after 8 months but that's another story.
I simply love the RS6 for my time in life, petrol head, love a decent turn of pace, can take the kids and wife on a day trip in comfort and safety with 2 prams/bags and the dog and the wife permitting exterimate all but anything you might see on the A10 on a Saturday afternoon with real genuine all weather usability.
Looks good, goes well, well built, hugely practical, easy to live with, people mention its size it's long but manageable it ticks most boxes for me.
All round a fantastic unrivalled (for what it offers) package.
Would I pay 100k for it? No, and I didn't, but you can spec a 'basic' 911 to near 100k these days.......
Flaws - Cayman and other vehicles I have owned we're/are far more engaging and 'fun' to drive but I can forgive this, but would hope Audi bring that extra dimension to the package.
Yes this was a track battle but very few RS6 owners buy this car to tear round a race track, most buy it for the reasons above and for those reasons it's a truly great thing that all car nuts should enjoy because in modern times, a 600+Bhp family estate car is a bonkers concept!
Previous to this was arguably one the best drivers car at any price a Porsche Cayman GTS.
Previous to this a first edition GTR
And before that another iconic drivers car a BMW M3 comp package (e92)
So I have had my fair share of 'drivers' cars and loved them all for there own reasons, except the GTR we just didn't get on and sold it after 8 months but that's another story.
I simply love the RS6 for my time in life, petrol head, love a decent turn of pace, can take the kids and wife on a day trip in comfort and safety with 2 prams/bags and the dog and the wife permitting exterimate all but anything you might see on the A10 on a Saturday afternoon with real genuine all weather usability.
Looks good, goes well, well built, hugely practical, easy to live with, people mention its size it's long but manageable it ticks most boxes for me.
All round a fantastic unrivalled (for what it offers) package.
Would I pay 100k for it? No, and I didn't, but you can spec a 'basic' 911 to near 100k these days.......
Flaws - Cayman and other vehicles I have owned we're/are far more engaging and 'fun' to drive but I can forgive this, but would hope Audi bring that extra dimension to the package.
Yes this was a track battle but very few RS6 owners buy this car to tear round a race track, most buy it for the reasons above and for those reasons it's a truly great thing that all car nuts should enjoy because in modern times, a 600+Bhp family estate car is a bonkers concept!
cerb4.5lee said:
DoubleSix said:
Scottie - NW said:
I am sure the Nissan driver described 300kg as an insignificant weight difference, or similar words.
That is a lot, huge amounts when you consider one 80kg passenger forces you to alter braking points.
In fact it's like having four passengers, so I can only conclude the Nissan driver has not a lot of idea about driving based on that statement.
Please take him outside and drop 300kg on him to show him how significant that is
Enjoyed the video.
Thought the same; "only 300kgs" lolThat is a lot, huge amounts when you consider one 80kg passenger forces you to alter braking points.
In fact it's like having four passengers, so I can only conclude the Nissan driver has not a lot of idea about driving based on that statement.
Please take him outside and drop 300kg on him to show him how significant that is
Enjoyed the video.
Even on cars this size that's a huge amount of extra weight.
Whereas both my Cerbera/200sx were around 1200kgs and you can tell the difference in weight for sure.
When I jump out of the 640d at 1800kgs and into the 330i the difference in weight is noticeable straight away regards nimbleness.
Bottom line is weight ruins the driving experience and the lighter the better I think, I can really understand why people love Lotus/caterhams etc.
I suggest the Nissan driver heads to his nearest gym, racks up 300kg and attempts to lift it. 300kg is a massive amount of weight in a car with sporting pretensions, no matter how well the RS6 hides it.
rich12 said:
chris watton said:
To put that into perspective, most people would not be able to lift 150kg off the floor! That is 4 average weight passengers!
The average weight of a human is less than 40kgs??I must be proper obese then.
Motormatt said:
Others have beaten me to it: "only a 300kg difference"!!
I suggest the Nissan driver heads to his nearest gym, racks up 300kg and attempts to lift it. 300kg is a massive amount of weight in a car with sporting pretensions, no matter how well the RS6 hides it.
Not to mention, the gtr isn't exactly known as a lightweight. I suggest the Nissan driver heads to his nearest gym, racks up 300kg and attempts to lift it. 300kg is a massive amount of weight in a car with sporting pretensions, no matter how well the RS6 hides it.
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