BMW m140i

[pmr01]

How do pistonheads massive. I currently have a 125d on lease until April next year. Having been around the houses with golfs, focus rs, meganes etc I have decided that the old skool formula offered by the above is the one for me. Interesting observation that despite most of the magazine based sites having reviews which I have pored over but....when the hell is ph going to have a review / 200 comment page?

[dave1409]

There are quite a few on Youtube, also lots of the M135i, including some by Chris Harris and EVO

[pmr01]

Chris Harris on the m140i would be good :-)

[pmr01]

Just to add....I fancy cashing in on the money in a 996 turbo in advance of brexit hell :-)

[QuattroDave]

pmr01 said:

How do pistonheads massive. I currently have a 125d on lease until April next year. Having been around the houses with golfs, focus rs, meganes etc I have decided that the old skool formula offered by the above is the one for me. Interesting observation that despite most of the magazine based sites having reviews which I have pored over but....when the hell is ph going to have a review / 200 comment page?

Had my M140i for two weeks now and love it. Just found out today how much it pops and crackles when it's in sport and you ease off the pedal. It's a proper jekyll and hyde car, in comfort and eco pro it's docile and easy to handle. In sport ti's an absolute animal and the switch is seamless.

Moved from an A8 V8 petrol and an alfa 147 to the m140i and don't think I've short changed myself at all. Daughter still fits in the back of the three door no problems (she's 5) it's amazing on fuel - first tank I got 32.4mpg on a brim to brim calc.

Pace wise it's not too much slower than my old V10 RS6 and that's saying something as it had 700bhp!

Ask me what you want to know and I'll tell you.

Edited by QuattroDave on Sunday 23 October 20:52

[kpb]

I've had a 125d and a M135i.

I appreciate the M140i has some revisions to the suspension over its predecessor, but by all accounts they are subtle.

So it really depends on what brief you expect the M140i to fulfill. If you're after a very fast GT car with a characterful engine, then you're on to a winner. Especially as it can return 42mpg on a run @ 70 mph.

If you want a car you can push hard on a B-road, then think twice, as it has a pretty limited chassis set up that struggles to handle the power. Its a "7/10ths" kind of car.

Over the 125d expect heavier steering (but no more feel) and much better brakes, slightly firmer suspension but not firm enough.

This review really nails it for me in the section "How does the M140i handle?"

https://recombu.com/cars/article/bmw-m140i-review-...

I miss the engine and the seats in mine, but nothing else (not even the RWD)

[Mike335i]

Interesting. I read that the M140i is now far more like the M240i, which itself hasn't changed much from the M235i bar the engine. The game between the 1 and the 2 was quite noticeable at first with the 2 being all round a better drivers car.

Given the endless praise for the M235i I would imagine the M140i to be pretty good now!

[BRR]

Driven my Dad's 140 a bit and his 135 prior to that, the 135 was quick but the 140 is noticeably quicker, especially in the mid range and it's now even better on fuel. still though when giving it some over typical undulating B-roads with rough surfaces it seems to bounce a bit to much and never really settles which makes it difficulty to get confidence in fully extracting its performance. As a daily car though it's superb

[Welshbeef]

QuattroDave said:

Had my M140i for two weeks now and love it. Just found out today how much it pops and crackles when it's in sport and you ease off the pedal. It's a proper jekyll and hyde car, in comfort and eco pro it's docile and easy to handle. In sport ti's an absolute animal and the switch is seamless.

Moved from an A8 V8 petrol and an alfa 147 to the m140i and don't think I've short changed myself at all. Daughter still fits in the back of the three door no problems (she's 5) it's amazing on fuel - first tank I got 32.4mpg on a brim to brim calc.

Pace wise it's not too much slower than my old V10 RS6 and that's saying something as it had 700bhp!

Ask me what you want to know and I'll tell you.

Edited by QuattroDave on Sunday 23 October 20:52

Really?
The V10 RS6 700bhp is a 7.5 second car to 100mph the M140i 11.5seconds which is just a nudge behind the C5 RS6.
11.5 seconds is fast but cannot be compared to the 700bhp RS6 - power to weight must be 100-150bhp/tonne MORE.

[J4CKO]

Welshbeef said:

QuattroDave said:

Had my M140i for two weeks now and love it. Just found out today how much it pops and crackles when it's in sport and you ease off the pedal. It's a proper jekyll and hyde car, in comfort and eco pro it's docile and easy to handle. In sport ti's an absolute animal and the switch is seamless.

Moved from an A8 V8 petrol and an alfa 147 to the m140i and don't think I've short changed myself at all. Daughter still fits in the back of the three door no problems (she's 5) it's amazing on fuel - first tank I got 32.4mpg on a brim to brim calc.

Pace wise it's not too much slower than my old V10 RS6 and that's saying something as it had 700bhp!

Ask me what you want to know and I'll tell you.

Edited by QuattroDave on Sunday 23 October 20:52

Really?
The V10 RS6 700bhp is a 7.5 second car to 100mph the M140i 11.5seconds which is just a nudge behind the C5 RS6.
11.5 seconds is fast but cannot be compared to the 700bhp RS6 - power to weight must be 100-150bhp/tonne MORE.

I thought that but he has owned both and said it's not too much slower, probably down to size, refinement, gearing and power delivery so that there feels less in it than there perhaps actually is.

I cant run to a 140i but a 135i might be my next car, one to develop a little, LSD, remap and try and make it look more mundane.

[Welshbeef]

J4CKO said:

Welshbeef said:

QuattroDave said:

Had my M140i for two weeks now and love it. Just found out today how much it pops and crackles when it's in sport and you ease off the pedal. It's a proper jekyll and hyde car, in comfort and eco pro it's docile and easy to handle. In sport ti's an absolute animal and the switch is seamless.

Moved from an A8 V8 petrol and an alfa 147 to the m140i and don't think I've short changed myself at all. Daughter still fits in the back of the three door no problems (she's 5) it's amazing on fuel - first tank I got 32.4mpg on a brim to brim calc.

Pace wise it's not too much slower than my old V10 RS6 and that's saying something as it had 700bhp!

Ask me what you want to know and I'll tell you.

Edited by QuattroDave on Sunday 23 October 20:52

Really?
The V10 RS6 700bhp is a 7.5 second car to 100mph the M140i 11.5seconds which is just a nudge behind the C5 RS6.
11.5 seconds is fast but cannot be compared to the 700bhp RS6 - power to weight must be 100-150bhp/tonne MORE.

I thought that but he has owned both and said it's not too much slower, probably down to size, refinement, gearing and power delivery so that there feels less in it than there perhaps actually is.

I cant run to a 140i but a 135i might be my next car, one to develop a little, LSD, remap and try and make it look more mundane.

http://fastestlaps.com/models/audi-rs6-c6

Standard the RS6 is 288bhp/tonne. But a 700bhp version would have 353bhp/tonne.

M135i has 219bhp/tonne

http://fastestlaps.com/models/bmw-m135i

That difference is not far off a whole Renault Clio Sport 182. That puts it into perspective.

[QuattroDave]

Welshbeef said:

J4CKO said:

Welshbeef said:

QuattroDave said:

Had my M140i for two weeks now and love it. Just found out today how much it pops and crackles when it's in sport and you ease off the pedal. It's a proper jekyll and hyde car, in comfort and eco pro it's docile and easy to handle. In sport ti's an absolute animal and the switch is seamless.

Moved from an A8 V8 petrol and an alfa 147 to the m140i and don't think I've short changed myself at all. Daughter still fits in the back of the three door no problems (she's 5) it's amazing on fuel - first tank I got 32.4mpg on a brim to brim calc.

Pace wise it's not too much slower than my old V10 RS6 and that's saying something as it had 700bhp!

Ask me what you want to know and I'll tell you.

Edited by QuattroDave on Sunday 23 October 20:52

Really?
The V10 RS6 700bhp is a 7.5 second car to 100mph the M140i 11.5seconds which is just a nudge behind the C5 RS6.
11.5 seconds is fast but cannot be compared to the 700bhp RS6 - power to weight must be 100-150bhp/tonne MORE.

I thought that but he has owned both and said it's not too much slower, probably down to size, refinement, gearing and power delivery so that there feels less in it than there perhaps actually is.

I cant run to a 140i but a 135i might be my next car, one to develop a little, LSD, remap and try and make it look more mundane.

http://fastestlaps.com/models/audi-rs6-c6

Standard the RS6 is 288bhp/tonne. But a 700bhp version would have 353bhp/tonne.

M135i has 219bhp/tonne

http://fastestlaps.com/models/bmw-m135i

That difference is not far off a whole Renault Clio Sport 182. That puts it into perspective.

You seem to have read one thing and taken away something different!

Yes of course my M140 isn't as fast as my old RS6, I thought I made that clear in my post but clearly not! However it doesn't feel too much slower in reality.

My RS6 clocked 60 in 3.7 and 100 in 7.7 but the car was 2.2 tonnes and felt rock steady at any speed which made it feel slightly less frantic which will also feed into my comparison.

I had a little fun against an M135 when I had my RS6 and even with the power deficit it put up a decent fight but it was never going to win.

Also bhp/tonne doesn't count for everything. I had an old URquattro that had north of 300bhp and weighed less than 1.3 tonnes which gives it a power to weight around the M135 but the beemer would spank the quattro every day of the week, newer tech, better transmission, etc etc

[J4CKO]

Cheers for the clarification !

I do fancy one next and then get it up to 400 bhp.

[Welshbeef]

QuattroDave said:

You seem to have read one thing and taken away something different!

Yes of course my M140 isn't as fast as my old RS6, I thought I made that clear in my post but clearly not! However it doesn't feel too much slower in reality.

My RS6 clocked 60 in 3.7 and 100 in 7.7 but the car was 2.2 tonnes and felt rock steady at any speed which made it feel slightly less frantic which will also feed into my comparison.

I had a little fun against an M135 when I had my RS6 and even with the power deficit it put up a decent fight but it was never going to win.

Also bhp/tonne doesn't count for everything. I had an old URquattro that had north of 300bhp and weighed less than 1.3 tonnes which gives it a power to weight around the M135 but the beemer would spank the quattro every day of the week, newer tech, better transmission, etc etc

Fair enough. I'm hankering after a v10 C6 and monster power fun

[QuattroDave]

Welshbeef said:

Fair enough. I'm hankering after a v10 C6 and monster power fun

This is my 46th car and to this day the RS6 is the only car that's made me laugh out loud when I floored it for the first time but for me it didn't engage me on anything but long straight wide roads (it is a wide car!), it wasn't interested in going round corners and it gave very little feedback.

But definitely own one even if only for a short time. Normal running costs like insurance (£300) and fuel (19.2mpg over my life with it) are acceptable but the cost of parts is eyewatering (discs and pads especially!).

Time will tell if I made the right decision going for a new M140 but so far I'm loving it

[Welshbeef]

QuattroDave said:

This is my 46th car and to this day the RS6 is the only car that's made me laugh out loud when I floored it for the first time but for me it didn't engage me on anything but long straight wide roads (it is a wide car!), it wasn't interested in going round corners and it gave very little feedback.

But definitely own one even if only for a short time. Normal running costs like insurance (£300) and fuel (19.2mpg over my life with it) are acceptable but the cost of parts is eyewatering (discs and pads especially!).

Time will tell if I made the right decision going for a new M140 but so far I'm loving it

I took a risk with a C5 RS6 3 years ago with the strict rule I was going to run it as a daily for 1 year and crucial to that was between any big work. I came away with barely 18mpg average when super unleaded was best part of £1.50/Ltr and a new Michelin pilot sport all round. It was an epic car as you say fk me fast /too fast on narrow roads for me. Every morning starting it up was a pleasure /not for the neighbours - but the constant worry about things going wrong was foremost in my mind.

When I sold it it needed discs and pads all round, timing belt and tensioners, gearbox oil change, full line and filter service, bi annual brake fluid change and it did need all 4 alloys to be refurbished. Oh and the passenger window runner had broken plus the rear wash wipe leaked water to the rear footwell. A big list and probably would cost more to do than the car was worth - however do it and then it's like a new car again for 5 years.

[QuattroDave]

Welshbeef said:

I took a risk with a C5 RS6 3 years ago with the strict rule I was going to run it as a daily for 1 year and crucial to that was between any big work. I came away with barely 18mpg average when super unleaded was best part of £1.50/Ltr and a new Michelin pilot sport all round. It was an epic car as you say fk me fast /too fast on narrow roads for me. Every morning starting it up was a pleasure /not for the neighbours - but the constant worry about things going wrong was foremost in my mind.

When I sold it it needed discs and pads all round, timing belt and tensioners, gearbox oil change, full line and filter service, bi annual brake fluid change and it did need all 4 alloys to be refurbished. Oh and the passenger window runner had broken plus the rear wash wipe leaked water to the rear footwell. A big list and probably would cost more to do than the car was worth - however do it and then it's like a new car again for 5 years.

C6 is considerably better built than the C5, it's only the consumables that you need to spend on that and the DRC. If you can live with C5 running costs then you can easily live with a C6!

[Welshbeef]

QuattroDave said:

C6 is considerably better built than the C5, it's only the consumables that you need to spend on that and the DRC. If you can live with C5 running costs then you can easily live with a C6!

I guess many people ditch DRC for coilovers? But a working DRC is superb.

I now need an estate as today proved F10 535d cannot take the stuff we need it to take RS6 C6 Avant well that would . I'd probably keep it totally standard as I like OEM

[pmr01]

Thanks all for your responses. None from ph advising when though :-) for those that have one, do you think I am daydreaming when I think that the 140i will get me circa 35mpg - to be clear, I am not talking about when I kick it. To the guy who has had a 125d and a 140i. I am generally getting 50mpg in the diesel. Apologies in asking a fuel economy question in relation to this car. I realise that this incenses the multi millionaires / company car drivers on here. To some self funders, it's quite an appropriate question :-)

[Welshbeef]

pmr01 said:

Thanks all for your responses. None from ph advising when though :-) for those that have one, do you think I am daydreaming when I think that the 140i will get me circa 35mpg - to be clear, I am not talking about when I kick it. To the guy who has had a 125d and a 140i. I am generally getting 50mpg in the diesel. Apologies in asking a fuel economy question in relation to this car. I realise that this incenses the multi millionaires / company car drivers on here. To some self funders, it's quite an appropriate question :-)

How many miles do you actually do? If it 20k a year then your probably looking towards £350-500per year fuel saving. Does that pass your sniff test?