Stolen Golf R & Touareg R

[kmpowell]

Grunt Futtock said:

kmpowell said:

Nothing a couple of tins of drugged dogfood can't sort. That's what happened to my friend's 3 Alsatians when thieves broke into into farmhouse to steal the keys to his 2 Defenders.

Serious question (and I like Defenders) but who the hell are they being stolen for? They aren't fast or glamorous really, are they going overseas?

The police were 99.99% sure it was travelers stealing to supply an organised gang who was breaking for parts. A few months after the burglary they found the back door (complete with the number plate!) of one of the cars on a site that had been abandoned by the travelers. So it had either been cloned or broken for parts.

[burty39]

Police reckon that is the route for many stolen vehicles, strip and sell parts. I presumed stolen to order but apparently not the norm

Anyway insurance moving fast on the Golf, released by CSI and on its way to the repairer

[Jasandjules]

burty39 said:

guess the Papillon doesn't quite cut it.....

If you put it in a little outfit they may laugh themselves to death so I guess it could work...

And as above, my dogs won't take food from strangers (ok, one will!) nor just eat whatever they find.

[Spoof]

Sorry about the cars,I had the same happen with my RS4, luckily the keys were downstairs and my dogs are useless. I found the fact they entered my house the hardest bit.

As for keeping keys by the bed/ upstairs. Screw that, If they want the car, its insured and they're bloody welcome to it, don't come near me or my family though.

Insurance didn't argue at all that they took the keys from the hallway.

[Coolbanana]

Sad times.

My sister had her car stolen last night (she lives in South Africa). Her house was burgled 2 weeks ago while she was at work and the thieves took the spare keys.

Mercedes deactivated them but obviously got that wrong! The car has however happily been found thanks to Tracker with no damage but the horrifying concern is that CCTV footage showed 3 heavily-armed men; pistols and a rifle. Fortunately her husband didn't confront them and let them take the car without letting on he was awake.

I had my home - literally across the valley from hers - burgled 3 times by a gang before I came to the UK, 16 years ago. The last time ended up with me trading bullets with them given it was broad daylight and they were not bothered I was about and saw them coming in. Not pleasant.

[eddiefara]

What do people thing of having stolen cars recovered? I think if my car was stolen I wouldn't really want it back unless it was the only option. Does it cause problems when it comes to selling it, insuring it etc

[Hitch]

Jonno02 said:

If you're referring to me. I actually graduated with honours in Forensic Science and now work in the sector.

Honours? Wow! That must be how you multitask checking the CCTV in Tesco whilst posting on here!

[twoblacklines]

I'm kind of glad we don't have anything TOO flash here, because my dog (little king charles cavalier who thinks he is a rottweiler) has free roam of the whole house when we sleep (he can open doors) if he smelt or heard a burglar I can gaurantee he would try to attack them. So if a gang were in my house, well I am not going to let them kill my dog, so I guess I would have to kill or seriously hurt them?

We live in a world where a burglar can trip in your house and sue you for it, so I am not sure if it would be more efficient to bury them under the patio and forget about it or phone the police (who don't come out to burglaries, and lately, pin the blame on the homeowner for having nice things in the first place)???

I believe the best detterrent is one or more PPD's (personal protection dog) these are like bodygaurds on an off switch, won't eat food given to them by strangers, basically as close to a pair of tigers as you could get for your territory.

Edited by twoblacklines on Tuesday 25th October 16:16

[br d]

Sorry to hear this burty, hopefully it won't be too much hassle going forward.

Do you have the place belled up? You said the dog yapping alerted you so no alarm going off? Do you have an alarm box on the wall and they just ignored it?

Sorry for so many Q's, just trying to get an angle on their thought processes.

[Tryke3]

eddiefara said:

What do people thing of having stolen cars recovered? I think if my car was stolen I wouldn't really want it back unless it was the only option. Does it cause problems when it comes to selling it, insuring it etc

Think everyone lease their cars now days, even if you buy it with cash how many people keep cars longer than 4 years ?

[jamoor]

Durzel said:

What this guy said.

They are insured risks. As much as it sucks to have it stolen, you simply report it as such and get another one (or not). Anyone determined enough to remove CCTV etc probably isn't someone you want to frustrate.

Have to say though that if that happened to me I'd be seriously thinking about moving before replacing cars.

Another way of thinking is that they want to take the cars as quietly as possible and would rather avoid a confrontation and disappear rather than fight for some keys...

[Gary C]

MDMA . said:

Main thing is you are ok.

Would a 50k motor not have a tracker fitted? If not, might be on its way to Eastern Europe by now. Normally stolen to order

My STi had a tracker, but only useful if you know immediately when they are stolen, otherwise they load them up into a container where it can't be tracked.

On the other hand, my tracker did what i really wanted it to do, reduced premiums.

[nottyash]

Moonpie21 said:

Not much use now and a little off topic... I have just installed one of these:



Half a day to install and £150 all in. It sits in the mouth of the driveway as a visual deterrent and nothing can get off the driveway when up. I sleep a little better at night.

Because they wont break into your house for the keys will they?

[Hungrymc]

jamoor said:

Another way of thinking is that they want to take the cars as quietly as possible and would rather avoid a confrontation and disappear rather than fight for some keys...

I kind of go along with this. But I think making it hard to get into the house is a far better deterrent than wanting to get into a brawl with 3 or 4 thugs in your bedroom while your kids are in bed etc.... no thank you.

I go with good security on the house, and keys downstairs, but not too hard to find.

[Dracoro]

eddiefara said:

What do people thing of having stolen cars recovered? I think if my car was stolen I wouldn't really want it back unless it was the only option. Does it cause problems when it comes to selling it, insuring it etc

Why would it be a problem selling it? No-one is going to know if it was stolen and then recovered back to you.

I also doubt if insurers even ask if a car has been stolen/recovered to owner

[burty39]

br d said:

Sorry to hear this burty, hopefully it won't be too much hassle going forward.

Do you have the place belled up? You said the dog yapping alerted you so no alarm going off? Do you have an alarm box on the wall and they just ignored it?

Sorry for so many Q's, just trying to get an angle on their thought processes.

Thanks, there is a sensor on the doors but it didn't go off

All the locks were upgraded yesterday and I have someone coming today to look at better options for cctv and alarm, thinking of a monitor alert system as we are at the end of a quiet lane and its pitch black at night so no reason for anyone to be around unless they are up to no good

Thankfully both cars are leased with Gap insurance otherwise it would have been even more costly

[Evolved]

Jonno02 said:

Ouch. Screw the cars, it's the sense of invasion that's the bugger.

How did they drill without being heard? Not having a go, but there's so many of these threads, do people leave their keys downstairs or in plain view? I keep all my keys in the bedroom with me and have a floor lifter under the bed (not for intruders, that's just 'where it lives'). Stairs are so creaky nobody is getting close without my hearing them.

Seriously? You'd risk being beaten and possibly worse for an insured lump of metal?

I was car jcked so know how the beatings feel and then the second time, they came in by throwing a paving slab through the patio doors for the keys, they were all heavily armed too so thank my stars they could see the keys!

Just not worth it IMHO.

Both cars were Evo's and both times they were caught. The gang that did the second car are doing 10+ years for armed robbery, my car was a decoy/getaway car.

[Adz The Rat]

Just up the road in Blackburn so will keep eyes out.

Can you say where the Golf was found?

[burty39]

Adz The Rat said:

Just up the road in Blackburn so will keep eyes out.

Can you say where the Golf was found?

Yes in Harwood after being stinged in Read!, police are saying there is a major gang based in Harwood / Rishton with links to Manchester and they have been very active for 9 months now

[giger]

Jonno02 said:

giger said:

That's not how it typically works. From the MO this is organised crime. They know the police and forensics will have been around, advised on security precautions and locks beefed up accordingly. These guys want in and out, they don't want to be caught and linked to 50 other thefts. They rarely come back in these cases - it's on to the next house.

It has happened to a few people near me. They even left wallets, handbags, mac books etc that were next to the keys - just wanted the car

So what other precautions other than CCTV and security lights can they advise on? Locks beefed up? Most, if not all doors these days are multi point locking. It doesn't matter how many locks you have, each one can be picked.

I think a lot of people like to believe that these cars are stolen to order and shipped away. In reality, most of them are stolen to joy ride and burnt out because they're faster than the usual cars on the road. They get a good 10 hours out of the car, then before the owner is awake, the car is destroyed along with the evidence, so no alarm is raised.

Edited by Jonno02 on Tuesday 25th October 10:36

Anti bump locks with cylinders that are difficult to drill and pick. Most multipoint locks are weak due to the key cylinder and/or handle. don't assume that just because you have a multipoint lock on your door that it is actually very good. Upgrade the cylinder.

Cars stolen by gangs are generally not stolen to a specific order - the gangs know the desirable cars and what they will get for them and steal to break or export. Some high performance cars will also be used for other crime. I think you have painted a view of how things were 10-15 years ago.

CCTV is generally pointless - all you get is the video of the person breaking in to your house. It might deter opportunists, but not criminal gangs.