Stolen Golf R & Touareg R
Discussion
twoblacklines said:
I do wonder what realistically happens in this scenario though.
Theif of part of gang comes up stairs, you smash the granny out of him, if you don't get hurt from the rest of the gang and they run away leaving you with him as Police come...then what?
1. Police arrest you for assault and he sues you?
2. Police arrest him for armed robbery, you are a hero, gang comes back next week not to nick anything but you put you in a coma / kill you for their friend and dented pride?
3. You go to prison, where they have friends, and you die in prison?
Where does it end?
Does this Hollywood film you have scripted also have a Michael Bey explosion in the background? Theif of part of gang comes up stairs, you smash the granny out of him, if you don't get hurt from the rest of the gang and they run away leaving you with him as Police come...then what?
1. Police arrest you for assault and he sues you?
2. Police arrest him for armed robbery, you are a hero, gang comes back next week not to nick anything but you put you in a coma / kill you for their friend and dented pride?
3. You go to prison, where they have friends, and you die in prison?
Where does it end?
I reckon Tom Cruise would be good at playing the Golf R owner.
Hol said:
Does this Hollywood film you have scripted also have a Michael Bey explosion in the background?
I reckon Tom Cruise would be good at playing the Golf R owner.
That made me smile, think Tom is a little short for me!I reckon Tom Cruise would be good at playing the Golf R owner.
Anyway Touareg was spotted by member of public on Tues. Guy turned up in taxi and drove it away. Only 3 miles away, sounds like parked up to see if it had tracker, nothing since
burty39 said:
Hol said:
Does this Hollywood film you have scripted also have a Michael Bey explosion in the background?
I reckon Tom Cruise would be good at playing the Golf R owner.
That made me smile, think Tom is a little short for me!I reckon Tom Cruise would be good at playing the Golf R owner.
Anyway Touareg was spotted by member of public on Tues. Guy turned up in taxi and drove it away. Only 3 miles away, sounds like parked up to see if it had tracker, nothing since
.Gio G said:
Hi OP, sorry to hear about these thefts. I had my Golf R taken in a broad daylight, carjacked off the in-laws driveway. It is just the inconvenience and potential emotional stuff you have to deal with afterwards.. Mine was leased and I had GAP, however didn't really help me much, given it was quite a new agreement..
Hope it is found and you get over it..
G
my friends wife had her Golf R stolen also in broad daylight, they hid in the bushes outside her drive then when she got out assaulted her and drove off. shook them up so badly they sold the car and moved house then spent 50k on security.Hope it is found and you get over it..
G
also my friend had an evo 9 and sold it because of constant attempts of theft and people following him home clearly with the intent to find out where the car lives
There is a gang operating in south manchester at the moment targeting high spec hot hatches - seat leons, fiesta ST's etc. their must be a market for it somewhere.
Friend had their place done over, they pulled the alarm off the wall and hid it/covered it to dampen the noise, knocked the security light out and knocked another so the direction changed, they then put soil from a planter on the ground around the french door, and smashed it - and pulled the glass out onto the soil.. no noise. Car not recovered - insurance paid out in less than 7 days!!! (WTF?!)
Another was in the news recently, they disabled the alarm and dunked it into a bucket of water, spent 30 mins trying to close the dogs pen/door outside, sedated the dog, disabled the street light!!, and knocked security lights over.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
If they go to that amount of effort.. i do not think they will hesitate to come upstairs and beat the crap out of you if they deemed it necessary.
My key is on the rear nearside tyre... no need to come in the house lads.
Friend had their place done over, they pulled the alarm off the wall and hid it/covered it to dampen the noise, knocked the security light out and knocked another so the direction changed, they then put soil from a planter on the ground around the french door, and smashed it - and pulled the glass out onto the soil.. no noise. Car not recovered - insurance paid out in less than 7 days!!! (WTF?!)
Another was in the news recently, they disabled the alarm and dunked it into a bucket of water, spent 30 mins trying to close the dogs pen/door outside, sedated the dog, disabled the street light!!, and knocked security lights over.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
If they go to that amount of effort.. i do not think they will hesitate to come upstairs and beat the crap out of you if they deemed it necessary.
My key is on the rear nearside tyre... no need to come in the house lads.
BobSaunders said:
There is a gang operating in south manchester at the moment targeting high spec hot hatches - seat leons, fiesta ST's etc. their must be a market for it somewhere.
Friend had their place done over, they pulled the alarm off the wall and hid it/covered it to dampen the noise, knocked the security light out and knocked another so the direction changed, they then put soil from a planter on the ground around the french door, and smashed it - and pulled the glass out onto the soil.. no noise. Car not recovered - insurance paid out in less than 7 days!!! (WTF?!)
Another was in the news recently, they disabled the alarm and dunked it into a bucket of water, spent 30 mins trying to close the dogs pen/door outside, sedated the dog, disabled the street light!!, and knocked security lights over.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
If they go to that amount of effort.. i do not think they will hesitate to come upstairs and beat the crap out of you if they deemed it necessary.
My key is on the rear nearside tyre... no need to come in the house lads.
Maybe the insurance company is in on it too?Friend had their place done over, they pulled the alarm off the wall and hid it/covered it to dampen the noise, knocked the security light out and knocked another so the direction changed, they then put soil from a planter on the ground around the french door, and smashed it - and pulled the glass out onto the soil.. no noise. Car not recovered - insurance paid out in less than 7 days!!! (WTF?!)
Another was in the news recently, they disabled the alarm and dunked it into a bucket of water, spent 30 mins trying to close the dogs pen/door outside, sedated the dog, disabled the street light!!, and knocked security lights over.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
If they go to that amount of effort.. i do not think they will hesitate to come upstairs and beat the crap out of you if they deemed it necessary.
My key is on the rear nearside tyre... no need to come in the house lads.
twoblacklines said:
I do wonder what realistically happens in this scenario though.
Theif of part of gang comes up stairs, you smash the granny out of him, if you don't get hurt from the rest of the gang and they run away leaving you with him as Police come...then what?
1. Police arrest you for assault and he sues you?
2. Police arrest him for armed robbery, you are a hero, gang comes back next week not to nick anything but you put you in a coma / kill you for their friend and dented pride?
3. You go to prison, where they have friends, and you die in prison?
Where does it end?
I thought the law had changed regarding this? I thought you could defend yourself, your family, and your property within reason. Theif of part of gang comes up stairs, you smash the granny out of him, if you don't get hurt from the rest of the gang and they run away leaving you with him as Police come...then what?
1. Police arrest you for assault and he sues you?
2. Police arrest him for armed robbery, you are a hero, gang comes back next week not to nick anything but you put you in a coma / kill you for their friend and dented pride?
3. You go to prison, where they have friends, and you die in prison?
Where does it end?
https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/ho...
What is defined as "to hand" i am unsure... a knife next to my bed from my cheese course in bed?
Hopefully our resident police officers will be along soon to confirm.
I'm actually aghast at the posters saying they hide their keys upstairs and would take on anyone coming to get them.
You've got a rather rose tinted view of how it would likely pan out if you confronted a gang of car thieves coming to take a high value car.
You are crazy if you think that taking the keys to bed with you and having something vaguely 'weapon-like' to hand is going to end well for you. People who are prepared to smash their way into your home and come looking for the keys are unlikely to deterred by you telling them to go away.
A friend of mine was woken one night a couple of weeks back by some commotion outside and looked out of the window to see 3 x very large, masked men stood at the top of his drive. They hadn't yet broken into his house for the keys to his car as they were waiting for the rest of the gang to complete the theft of another high value car from a couple of doors up, hence the commotion of alarms going off, etc. They weren't at all deterred by the fact that the whole street was now awake and if for some reason they couldn't get the neighbour's car they were obviously going to have his.
Where would you rather the keys were in that scenario?
This was in a quiet village in a nice area.
I unfortunately know a few people who've had high value cars taken and not once have the police said it was anything other than well organised crime by gangs targeting particular makes and models. Stick-thin junky chancers they are not.
By all means don't leave keys where they can be quickly grabbed through a smashed window or a fishing rod through the letterbox but I think hiding them away is a crazy tactic.
You've got a rather rose tinted view of how it would likely pan out if you confronted a gang of car thieves coming to take a high value car.
You are crazy if you think that taking the keys to bed with you and having something vaguely 'weapon-like' to hand is going to end well for you. People who are prepared to smash their way into your home and come looking for the keys are unlikely to deterred by you telling them to go away.
A friend of mine was woken one night a couple of weeks back by some commotion outside and looked out of the window to see 3 x very large, masked men stood at the top of his drive. They hadn't yet broken into his house for the keys to his car as they were waiting for the rest of the gang to complete the theft of another high value car from a couple of doors up, hence the commotion of alarms going off, etc. They weren't at all deterred by the fact that the whole street was now awake and if for some reason they couldn't get the neighbour's car they were obviously going to have his.
Where would you rather the keys were in that scenario?
This was in a quiet village in a nice area.
I unfortunately know a few people who've had high value cars taken and not once have the police said it was anything other than well organised crime by gangs targeting particular makes and models. Stick-thin junky chancers they are not.
By all means don't leave keys where they can be quickly grabbed through a smashed window or a fishing rod through the letterbox but I think hiding them away is a crazy tactic.
burty39]obSaunders said:
Car not recovered - insurance paid out in less than 7 days!!! (WTF?!)
Yes my insurance are happy to proceed with total loss on the Touareg today and it was taken at midnight on Monday!!!
Quick question OP considering you are one of the few who have been through the experience, and not a mate of a mate who once heard something about someone.Yes my insurance are happy to proceed with total loss on the Touareg today and it was taken at midnight on Monday!!!
- Would you do anything differently next time considering the "PH Massive's" advice about keys upstairs, cheese knives and plant pots?
Or are you
- Grateful that your family are safe and the insurance process hasn't been too arduous...
PorkInsider said:
I'm actually aghast at the posters saying they hide their keys upstairs and would take on anyone coming to get them.
You've got a rather rose tinted view of how it would likely pan out if you confronted a gang of car thieves coming to take a high value car.
You are crazy if you think that taking the keys to bed with you and having something vaguely 'weapon-like' to hand is going to end well for you. People who are prepared to smash their way into your home and come looking for the keys are unlikely to deterred by you telling them to go away.
A friend of mine was woken one night a couple of weeks back by some commotion outside and looked out of the window to see 3 x very large, masked men stood at the top of his drive. They hadn't yet broken into his house for the keys to his car as they were waiting for the rest of the gang to complete the theft of another high value car from a couple of doors up, hence the commotion of alarms going off, etc. They weren't at all deterred by the fact that the whole street was now awake and if for some reason they couldn't get the neighbour's car they were obviously going to have his.
Where would you rather the keys were in that scenario?
This was in a quiet village in a nice area.
I unfortunately know a few people who've had high value cars taken and not once have the police said it was anything other than well organised crime by gangs targeting particular makes and models. Stick-thin junky chancers they are not.
By all means don't leave keys where they can be quickly grabbed through a smashed window or a fishing rod through the letterbox but I think hiding them away is a crazy tactic.
Wow, so what happened to your friend then? What a dilemma; masked men, you know it's only a few seconds before they kick the door down.....did he shepherd the family into one room and wait until they'd gone? Surely he didn't resist?You've got a rather rose tinted view of how it would likely pan out if you confronted a gang of car thieves coming to take a high value car.
You are crazy if you think that taking the keys to bed with you and having something vaguely 'weapon-like' to hand is going to end well for you. People who are prepared to smash their way into your home and come looking for the keys are unlikely to deterred by you telling them to go away.
A friend of mine was woken one night a couple of weeks back by some commotion outside and looked out of the window to see 3 x very large, masked men stood at the top of his drive. They hadn't yet broken into his house for the keys to his car as they were waiting for the rest of the gang to complete the theft of another high value car from a couple of doors up, hence the commotion of alarms going off, etc. They weren't at all deterred by the fact that the whole street was now awake and if for some reason they couldn't get the neighbour's car they were obviously going to have his.
Where would you rather the keys were in that scenario?
This was in a quiet village in a nice area.
I unfortunately know a few people who've had high value cars taken and not once have the police said it was anything other than well organised crime by gangs targeting particular makes and models. Stick-thin junky chancers they are not.
By all means don't leave keys where they can be quickly grabbed through a smashed window or a fishing rod through the letterbox but I think hiding them away is a crazy tactic.
Edited by paul789 on Thursday 27th October 18:08
Edited by paul789 on Thursday 27th October 18:09
As said earlier, multi layer security is how to do it. From visible external cctv, lights and alarms, to high security locks and using toughened glass, to even setting up a safe room upstairs with reinforced frame and (locking) door.
Forget about blunt instruments too, they won't think twice about anything that isn't big, pointy and sharp.
It helps if you're technically minded, but take a look at your house and think how you'd get in.
There's no stopping a determined person, it's about making the risk outweigh the potential reward.
Forget about blunt instruments too, they won't think twice about anything that isn't big, pointy and sharp.
It helps if you're technically minded, but take a look at your house and think how you'd get in.
There's no stopping a determined person, it's about making the risk outweigh the potential reward.
Edited by SlimJim16v on Thursday 27th October 19:56
paul789 said:
PorkInsider said:
I'm actually aghast at the posters saying they hide their keys upstairs and would take on anyone coming to get them.
You've got a rather rose tinted view of how it would likely pan out if you confronted a gang of car thieves coming to take a high value car.
You are crazy if you think that taking the keys to bed with you and having something vaguely 'weapon-like' to hand is going to end well for you. People who are prepared to smash their way into your home and come looking for the keys are unlikely to deterred by you telling them to go away.
A friend of mine was woken one night a couple of weeks back by some commotion outside and looked out of the window to see 3 x very large, masked men stood at the top of his drive. They hadn't yet broken into his house for the keys to his car as they were waiting for the rest of the gang to complete the theft of another high value car from a couple of doors up, hence the commotion of alarms going off, etc. They weren't at all deterred by the fact that the whole street was now awake and if for some reason they couldn't get the neighbour's car they were obviously going to have his.
Where would you rather the keys were in that scenario?
This was in a quiet village in a nice area.
I unfortunately know a few people who've had high value cars taken and not once have the police said it was anything other than well organised crime by gangs targeting particular makes and models. Stick-thin junky chancers they are not.
By all means don't leave keys where they can be quickly grabbed through a smashed window or a fishing rod through the letterbox but I think hiding them away is a crazy tactic.
Wow, so what happened to your friend then? What a dilemma; masked men, you know it's only a few seconds before they kick the door down.....did he shepherd the family into one room and wait until they'd gone? Surely he didn't resist?You've got a rather rose tinted view of how it would likely pan out if you confronted a gang of car thieves coming to take a high value car.
You are crazy if you think that taking the keys to bed with you and having something vaguely 'weapon-like' to hand is going to end well for you. People who are prepared to smash their way into your home and come looking for the keys are unlikely to deterred by you telling them to go away.
A friend of mine was woken one night a couple of weeks back by some commotion outside and looked out of the window to see 3 x very large, masked men stood at the top of his drive. They hadn't yet broken into his house for the keys to his car as they were waiting for the rest of the gang to complete the theft of another high value car from a couple of doors up, hence the commotion of alarms going off, etc. They weren't at all deterred by the fact that the whole street was now awake and if for some reason they couldn't get the neighbour's car they were obviously going to have his.
Where would you rather the keys were in that scenario?
This was in a quiet village in a nice area.
I unfortunately know a few people who've had high value cars taken and not once have the police said it was anything other than well organised crime by gangs targeting particular makes and models. Stick-thin junky chancers they are not.
By all means don't leave keys where they can be quickly grabbed through a smashed window or a fishing rod through the letterbox but I think hiding them away is a crazy tactic.
The car was sold within 2 weeks as his wife couldn't stand the stress and worry.
Swampy1982 said:
Quick question OP considering you are one of the few who have been through the experience, and not a mate of a mate who once heard something about someone.
- Would you do anything differently next time considering the "PH Massive's" advice about keys upstairs, cheese knives and plant pots?
Or are you
- Grateful that your family are safe and the insurance process hasn't been too arduous...
Hi Swampy. In answer to your questions. Keys will be less accessible i.e. not in view but not upstairs, I don't want to be engaging with some low life/lives whilst my family are in bed.- Would you do anything differently next time considering the "PH Massive's" advice about keys upstairs, cheese knives and plant pots?
Or are you
- Grateful that your family are safe and the insurance process hasn't been too arduous...
Actions taken are locks and door handles beefed up, increased security from alarm system, CCTV and security lights relocated higher up the walls. Internal camera at the weakest point of the house.
We are semi rural with dry stone walls so very difficult to restrict access to the garden area without removing everything and fencing us in, let alone the aesthetic effect on the property
Police reckon it is unusual for a property to be targeted twice although not unheard of. I just need to make it as difficult as possible for them to get in. I know some may view it as the wrong option ( as in they have won ) but I will be thinking more carefully about choice of cars given our location and proximity to East Lancs criminal gangs
Jonno02 said:
PH Hysteria at its best. Everybody that's coming to steal your hot hatch is ex-Serbian special forces and has done things that we can't even imagine.
99% of the time, it's a house breaker that's looking to steal a car, not some super organised blackworld gang with 30k of equipment in their van to break in like the latest Mission Impossible movie.
Of course you won't charge into a group of 4 men wielding crowbars, take the car and f
k off. One guy in your house? You better believe the dog's off the lead and floor lifter is coming out.
The reason you've heard of this horrible case and that horrible case, is because they are the exception to the rule. Hardly going to be plastered all over BBC news "Junkie breaks into house to steal car, is frightened off when owner says no."
Though I agree that many people breaking into a house for keys wont be 'ex siberian special forces' lets be realistic, as other people have done here.99% of the time, it's a house breaker that's looking to steal a car, not some super organised blackworld gang with 30k of equipment in their van to break in like the latest Mission Impossible movie.
Of course you won't charge into a group of 4 men wielding crowbars, take the car and f
k off. One guy in your house? You better believe the dog's off the lead and floor lifter is coming out.The reason you've heard of this horrible case and that horrible case, is because they are the exception to the rule. Hardly going to be plastered all over BBC news "Junkie breaks into house to steal car, is frightened off when owner says no."
Do you seriously keep a 'floor lifter' by your bed? - If you do then that is a terrible way to live, isnt it?
Same with letting the dog off the lead, your going to go downstairs (assuming thats where the dog is) and wonder past the person trying to nick your car to let the dog out at him?
These are all scenarios that happen in an ideal world, in the real world you best hope the person(s) that have broken in are not nuts / can handle themselves (they are criminals, its unlikely they are harmless) and dont turn your bar on you / stab you or similar.
OK, some thieves will just run away if confronted, but I wouldnt want to take that chance unless It was an unavoidable situation, e.g. the thief comes into my room / corners me or my family.
Leave the key in a suitable place (obviously not within reach of the door to allow 'pick-pocketing' them and only confront them if you need to - Absolutely no way would I want to set about somebody just to keep hold of a fully insured hunk of metal on the drive unless the situation forced me to.
This kind of thing would make me think twice about parking certain cars visibly on the drive or letting the OH drive regularly in them, and thats a really sad way to have to think.
In my old area a woman was stabbed in a car-park in broad daylight going to the hairdressers for her S3, apparently the idea is to stab first as that completely immobilises the owner of the car (unless you are a PH hero of course!) - No need to ask for keys or risk fighting back.
Fingerprint recoginition or a key pad to 'unlock' the car like a phone would go some way to prevent all of this, even if it would make starting the car / changing drives a little more inconvenient.
Sorry to hear about this OP. Sounds like it ended well from a financial point, but it's the emotional/personal side of it that matters most. I've heard of a few Golf R's going missing, shared via friends on Facebook.
Mine arrives next month and for the first time in years I'm thinking about not using my driveway and parking outside on the street a few doors down.
Mine arrives next month and for the first time in years I'm thinking about not using my driveway and parking outside on the street a few doors down.
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