RE: Hyundai RM16 N spied

[GTEYE]

vz-r_dave said:

GTEYE said:

vz-r_dave said:

Crouchydc said:

It looks interesting but how much will people really pay for a small hyundai hatchback. At least initially it will depreciate like a brick too. Having said that I hope it makes production.

Not if its a limited mid engine rwd special it won't but lets see.

It will if it has a Hyundai badge on it, and probably a £40k price tag.

It will be an interesting failure.

What a nobbish thing to say, yes an interesting failure indeed.

Do you really think this will be a commercial success? Interesting car possibly, but it will sell in minute numbers.

Perhaps your comment says more about yourself than your realise.

Edited by GTEYE on Tuesday 25th October 14:14

[Tuvra]

I am interested too, possibly.

However, 300bhp and Turbo charged, is it not a bit weak starting off? Surely if it offers less practicality than all its rivals, surely it should give them a bloody nose in outright performance? I think it has to be 350bhp as an absolute minimum, personally. Seems a bit half arsed considering you can have a 335bhp practical, RWD, Turbo BMW for less (probably).

Unless they go down the 300bhp stripped out (R26R) route of course, then it does get interesting.....

[kambites]

If the number in the article is right it's more than a quarter of a tonne lighter than the 1-series.

I don't think cars like this sell on the grounds of conventional logic though. No-one bought the V6 Clio due to its spec sheet. Obviously there will be some crossover, but I can't see very many people who are interested in this having any interest in a mainstream German hatchback or vice versa.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 25th October 14:22

[AyBee]

It's just a disguise, it's actually a 4-seater, FWD, front-engined, 1.4litre

Looks awesome though

[Tuvra]

kambites said:

If the number in the article is right it's more than a quarter of a tonne lighter than the 1-series.

I don't think cars like this sell on the grounds of conventional logic though. No-one bought the V6 Clio due to its spec sheet. Obviously there will be some crossover, but I can't see very many people who are interested in this having any interest in a mainstream German hatchback or vice versa.

Renault had a history, Hyundai haven't.

Will it be as powerful as an RS3, as sharp to drive as a Type R/new Megane, as good value as a Golf R etc. The Clio had THAT engine and a history, this is a 2.0 Turbo with no real history or heritage, on paper its nothing special. IMO, it has to be very special to leave a mark in this segment. Fingers crossed it is, I just don't think they are aiming high enough.

Then again, it could be the powerful GT86 that I have always fancied

[AMGJocky]

Tuvra said:

I am interested too, possibly.

However, 300bhp and Turbo charged, is it not a bit weak starting off? Surely if it offers less practicality than all its rivals, surely it should give them a bloody nose in outright performance? I think it has to be 350bhp as an absolute minimum, personally. Seems a bit half arsed considering you can have a 335bhp practical, RWD, Turbo BMW for less (probably).

Unless they go down the 300bhp stripped out (R26R) route of course, then it does get interesting.....

The fact it has the correct driven wheels, I think puts it in a great starting position personally. Yeah there are M135/140i's.. but they boring as st really.

[vz-r_dave]

GTEYE said:

vz-r_dave said:

GTEYE said:

vz-r_dave said:

Crouchydc said:

It looks interesting but how much will people really pay for a small hyundai hatchback. At least initially it will depreciate like a brick too. Having said that I hope it makes production.

Not if its a limited mid engine rwd special it won't but lets see.

It will if it has a Hyundai badge on it, and probably a £40k price tag.

It will be an interesting failure.

What a nobbish thing to say, yes an interesting failure indeed.

Do you really think this will be a commercial success? Interesting car possibly, but it will sell in minute numbers.

Perhaps your comment says more about yourself than your realise.

Edited by GTEYE on Tuesday 25th October 14:14

They may not be looking at a commercial success outright hence my comments on a limited run. Very small minded to think Hyundia are looking at their first 'Hot Hatch' as a means to their bottom line. It's as much a marketing ploy as it is a commercial one especially with such an expensive lay out and a small market, should have noted that in my original post I guess....

Assumed the 'Limited' comment I made would get the point across.

[Krikkit]

Can't understand the negativity here - reasonably successful competitor in WRC (a good thing, surely?) commits to releasing a hot hatch and maybe a swivel-eyed special with 300hp and an engine mounted amidships, and it's a bad thing?

[Tuvra]

AMGJocky said:

The fact it has the correct driven wheels, I think puts it in a great starting position personally. Yeah there are M135/140i's.. but they boring as st really.

Possibly, but you sacrifice a lot of practicality, plus I wouldn't mind betting that it won't be far off the price of an M2 if it gets launched.

[Fish]

Was just watching WRC and was thinking wouldn't it be great if someone made one of these.... looks like someone is going to!

[cptsideways]

Oooh like that, a 3 door sporty almost an estate I have been wanting something like this since my Saab 900 days. Looks cracking I have to say.

[Martin_Hx]

I must say, i like it! Well done Hyundai

[AMGJocky]

Tuvra said:

AMGJocky said:

The fact it has the correct driven wheels, I think puts it in a great starting position personally. Yeah there are M135/140i's.. but they boring as st really.

Possibly, but you sacrifice a lot of practicality, plus I wouldn't mind betting that it won't be far off the price of an M2 if it gets launched.

I guess we will have to wait and see. Considering Hyundai's performance road car pedigree isn't exactly bursting at the seams, it will be quite an achievement if this turns out to be a gem. And hopefully for their sake, they don't position the pricing too close to an M2!

[Speed_Demon]

Oh wow. Love it. Seeing as there is little in the way of news of a twingo RS, this is great news. definitely a spiritual successor to the Clio V6. Lpoking forward to seeing what it's capable of.

[omgus]

Brilliantly bonkers. We need more mid-engined hatchbacks.

I really hope they go ahead with this.

[OwenK]

Reckon this is more likely intended for a new one-make race series like that gorgeous Renault supercar looking thing that loosely resembled an R8 - want to say RS01?

Hyundai are keen to establish themselves as a performance brand, it makes more economic sense to build a few examples of a mad looking racer and run the series ahead of BTCC or something, than it does to engineer a complete production car with an unusual bespoke chassis that will let's be honest sell bugger all...

[sinbaddio]

Fish said:

Was just watching WRC and was thinking wouldn't it be great if someone made one of these.... looks like someone is going to!

I was just thinking about this. Hyundai must spend fortunes to achieve the success they have in WRC recently. However, they could really do with a car that could capitalise on a growing racing pedigree, and increase their brand presence across the board. If they were to launch this as a road car it possibly wouldn't be a huge revenue spinner, and probably would lose money. But what it would gain in terms of brand recognition could be quite startling. And let's face it, Hyundai are far from short of money to invest in these sorts of ventures.

(and we do also have a Hyundai...)

[vrooom]

YES! build it and sell it to me !!!!!

[Turning Japanese]

Tuvra said:

I am interested too, possibly.

However, 300bhp and Turbo charged, is it not a bit weak starting off? Surely if it offers less practicality than all its rivals, surely it should give them a bloody nose in outright performance? I think it has to be 350bhp as an absolute minimum, personally. Seems a bit half arsed considering you can have a 335bhp practical, RWD, Turbo BMW for less (probably).

Unless they go down the 300bhp stripped out (R26R) route of course, then it does get interesting.....

I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to moan that it didn't have enough power.
Power isn't everything. If they manage to produce it with the low weight they claim (same as GT86) 300bhp will be more than enough.
German cars in particular are now very powerful because they are so bloody heavy. Give me a lower powered lighter car any day. Just ask Gordon Murray.

[PunterCam]

matpilch said:

surely with such short wheelbase, rwd and 300bhp it'll be lairy as foook?

Apparently 200mm longer than a cayman..