The End of the 'Punishment Pass'?
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Ozzie Osmond said:
As regards the appropriate cost for cyclists to use the roads my proposal would be £50 a year. That should cover the cost of keeping a number plate database to allow proper enforcement of road traffic laws while making a contribution towards the cost of cycle lanes.
If I thought paying £50 a year would result in road traffic laws being enforced then I'd happily pay it. But it won't, will it? We already have a number plate database, and it clearly doesn't stop people breaking road traffic laws.Edited by Mave on Wednesday 26th October 17:35
BuzzBravado said:
STe_rsv4 said:
Dakkon said:
Remarkable, so you are punished for passing too close to a cyclist but they can pass you within inches and that is fine....
Yeah, because many car drivers have been killed by cyclists crashing into their car resulting in fatal injuries......Average rider in London. You are supposed to be able to keep track of them at all times, apparently. Notice all the life saver checks? No, me neither. Preparing for potential opening doors? Not a worry. HGV pulling away? Get in front...
Passing too close punishments will result in millions of fines on the majority of city streets. Even the copper could have come a cropper in this one.
Also just read that another cyclist has been killed under an HGV. What are we up to for this year? Seven or eight?
Ozzie Osmond said:
And by the way, it's YOU who appears to have no answer to the question, "Why aren't cyclists allowed on motorways?".
There is no answer because it's a stupid question. Someone asked where are we going to find the room for cycle paths, and I suggest that if we can find the room to store millions of cars on the roads, we should find the room for moving traffic first. Get rid of the state subsidised motorists who selfishly clog the roads up with their car storage and we'll have plenty of room for bike paths (which are also bloody useful for the disabled's mobilty scooters, car traffic moves quicker too, less congestion, less pollution, win-win all round.The losers are house-holders with no space for their car but it's time to end the assumption that you just keep your car on the road.
It'll make a whole section of property more affordable too - it just gets better the more you think of it.
red rider said:
IroningMan said:
Separate lanes, you say? Where will the space for these come from?
Where did the space come from for the bus lanes? They haven`t all ways been thereOzzie Osmond said:
As regards the appropriate cost for cyclists to use the roads my proposal would be £50 a year. That should cover the cost of keeping a number plate database to allow proper enforcement of road traffic laws while making a contribution towards the cost of cycle lanes.
I'd be more than happy to pay £50 a year to stop people like you spouting the road tax argument. I'd also like a refund of car tax for the 5 days a week I cycle to work rather than drive. Think this works out at circa £220. Thank you.I always pass cyclists as if they are another car - meaning like that Audi in the photo. Of course this is often tricky and can sometimes mean being 'stuck' behind a cyclist at quite low speeds until such time as its clear to overtake which often gets frustrating, so I can see why many other motorists 'squeeze' past. It's particularly problematic on NSL A roads with a stream of oncoming traffic.
heebeegeetee said:
we'll have plenty of room for bike paths (which are also bloody useful for the disabled's mobilty scooters, car traffic moves quicker too, less congestion, less pollution, win-win all round.
Except most keen cyclists don't use the bike paths - pretty much because they are also useful for non-bike traffic.Ozzie Osmond said:
Presumably, given your pointless aggression and inability to grasp simple facts - you're a cyclist. Am I right?
And by the way, it's YOU who appears to have no answer to the question, "Why aren't cyclists allowed on motorways?". This thread isn't about farm tractors, it's about cyclists. You don't find many tractors thrashing about in City Centres round my way either!
As regards the appropriate cost for cyclists to use the roads my proposal would be £50 a year. That should cover the cost of keeping a number plate database to allow proper enforcement of road traffic laws while making a contribution towards the cost of cycle lanes.
You tell me, I drive 10,000 miles per year & cycle 5000 miles per year. Am I a driver or a cyclist?And by the way, it's YOU who appears to have no answer to the question, "Why aren't cyclists allowed on motorways?". This thread isn't about farm tractors, it's about cyclists. You don't find many tractors thrashing about in City Centres round my way either!
As regards the appropriate cost for cyclists to use the roads my proposal would be £50 a year. That should cover the cost of keeping a number plate database to allow proper enforcement of road traffic laws while making a contribution towards the cost of cycle lanes.
It's pretty obvious why cycles aren't allowed on motorways, the same as motorbikes under a certain engine size. The speed difference is dangerous to everyone.
Excellent, so 96p a week on top of my council tax to allow me to use the road without motorists crying about how unfair it is.
WinstonWolf said:
George111 said:
WinstonWolf said:
I bet George is a tubster.
Have we met ? 
You are quite correct, but I do cycle for pleasure as well as drive. I meet clients and don't want to do that red faced or smelling like an old fish 
Apart from the fact I don't think they want human powered vehicles, of whatever construction, on the M1 !
J4CKO said:
Not sure why everyone is obsessed with Lycra ?
It serves a purpose, it is more aerodynamic than other fabrics as it fits your body, you need all the help you can get on a bike.
It is comfy, it doesnt ride up or fall down, you arent aware of it, it doesnt end up getting caught on chainwheels when it is flapping about (the garment)
It doesn't have to be a full Sky team kit like some ride in, but neither do you have to be on the TDF to ride with some Lycra clothing.
I think part of it is jealousy that a lot have because they couldn't get away with it as they have a physique like a potato with a cocktail stick at each corner ?
Maybe I should have clarified it a bit further. I am talking about the myriad of cyclists you see at weekend dressed up in Team Sky gear (other teams are available) some even with aerodynamic bulges everywhere etc. Most of them think they look like Froome, but the only way Froome will look like that is if he gets a pie addiction and becomes an alcoholic. It serves a purpose, it is more aerodynamic than other fabrics as it fits your body, you need all the help you can get on a bike.
It is comfy, it doesnt ride up or fall down, you arent aware of it, it doesnt end up getting caught on chainwheels when it is flapping about (the garment)
It doesn't have to be a full Sky team kit like some ride in, but neither do you have to be on the TDF to ride with some Lycra clothing.
I think part of it is jealousy that a lot have because they couldn't get away with it as they have a physique like a potato with a cocktail stick at each corner ?
cb1965 said:
J4CKO said:
Not sure why everyone is obsessed with Lycra ?
It serves a purpose, it is more aerodynamic than other fabrics as it fits your body, you need all the help you can get on a bike.
It is comfy, it doesnt ride up or fall down, you arent aware of it, it doesnt end up getting caught on chainwheels when it is flapping about (the garment)
It doesn't have to be a full Sky team kit like some ride in, but neither do you have to be on the TDF to ride with some Lycra clothing.
I think part of it is jealousy that a lot have because they couldn't get away with it as they have a physique like a potato with a cocktail stick at each corner ?
Maybe I should have clarified it a bit further. I am talking about the myriad of cyclists you see at weekend dressed up in Team Sky gear (other teams are available) some even with aerodynamic bulges everywhere etc. Most of them think they look like Froome, but the only way Froome will look like that is if he gets a pie addiction and becomes an alcoholic. It serves a purpose, it is more aerodynamic than other fabrics as it fits your body, you need all the help you can get on a bike.
It is comfy, it doesnt ride up or fall down, you arent aware of it, it doesnt end up getting caught on chainwheels when it is flapping about (the garment)
It doesn't have to be a full Sky team kit like some ride in, but neither do you have to be on the TDF to ride with some Lycra clothing.
I think part of it is jealousy that a lot have because they couldn't get away with it as they have a physique like a potato with a cocktail stick at each corner ?
k me off.S10GTA said:
Why does it matter? So what if they're a bit tubby, at least they are doing something about it. Attitudes like this really fk me off.
Exactly. Plus most will be shocked to find that cyclists wear cycling kit because it's the best stuff to wear for cycling. The clue is in the name, 'cycling kit'. I ride on average 100 miles a week, if I did it in jeans I'd be crippled - also at NO POINT do I put on lycra & think I immediately look like Chris Froome or any other cyclist they might happen to know the name of. k me off.S10GTA said:
Why does it matter? So what if they're a bit tubby, at least they are doing something about it. Attitudes like this really fk me off.
Because it's f**king stupid! Hope that clears it up for you!k me off.PS If they were really doing something about it they'd be on a proper training program not tootling round the country lanes looking like bell ends!
WinstonWolf said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
WinstonWolf said:
Motorways are the only roads with a minimum speed limit, all other roads are for the use of everyone.
What is the minimum speed limit on motorways? 
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