The End of the 'Punishment Pass'?

[DoubleD]

At least you don't have to look at groups of old men wearing wet suits on the street though.

[Rawwr]

You don't have to look at them. In fact, why are you looking at them, you massive weirdo?

[DoubleD]

Obviously when I'm driving I have to look where I'm going and what's in front of me, helps me to not drive into stuff.

[jonnM]

Rawwr said:

You don't have to look at them. In fact, why are you looking at them, you massive weirdo?

Looking at cyclists, particularly their bottoms, seems to be a bit of a "thing" for many PH'ers.

[SteveSteveson]

DoubleD said:

At least you don't have to look at groups of old men wearing wet suits on the street though.

Not been near to one of the beach towns in Devon or Cornwall recently then? Middle aged surfers abound in some towns.

[Rawwr]

jonnM said:

Looking at cyclists, particularly their bottoms, seems to be a bit of a "thing" for many PH'ers.

I think the rule is; look but don't touch.

[IroningMan]

herewego said:

To me the most dangerous roads for cyclists, sorry bicyclists, are narrow rural lanes without footpaths that cyclists could use. We should be spending money widening these roads for all to use safely or laying separate cycle/walkways along side.

Rural 'lanes' are a terrific place to cycle. Traffic is very thin and speeds are low. Step up to rural roads that are big enough to merit a white line down the middle and you're right, it becomes a very different matter: speeds leap up and there is seldom any escape route.

Move on to rural 'A' roads and cycling becomes no fun at all - but they are also pretty easy to avoid.

[IroningMan]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Sharing the road with cars is fine - sharing it with aholes who drive without regard for other road users is indeed a very unpleasant thing to do.

[IroningMan]

Mr Snrub said:

red rider said:

IroningMan said:

Separate lanes, you say? Where will the space for these come from?

Where did the space come from for the bus lanes? They haven`t all ways been there

Often by turning dual carriageways into single lane roads, drastically increasing congestion and pollution

I can think of a number of places where roadside parking has the same effect - and thousands of miles of urban roads where there would be space for a segregated cycle lane if all the parked cars were removed - sounds like a plan...

[IroningMan]

heebeegeetee said:

...Someone asked where are we going to find the room for cycle paths, and I suggest that if we can find the room to store millions of cars on the roads, we should find the room for moving traffic first. Get rid of the state subsidised motorists who selfishly clog the roads up with their car storage and we'll have plenty of room for bike paths (which are also bloody useful for the disabled's mobilty scooters, car traffic moves quicker too, less congestion, less pollution, win-win all round.

The losers are house-holders with no space for their car but it's time to end the assumption that you just keep your car on the road.

It'll make a whole section of property more affordable too - it just gets better the more you think of it.

Put better than I did.

[anonymous-user]

Mave said:

I think you need to reflect on your own comprehension. Nowhere have I applied statistical significance to an an opinion.

You said why does it matter. For something to matter it has to have significance.

[Mr Snrub]

IroningMan said:

heebeegeetee said:

...Someone asked where are we going to find the room for cycle paths, and I suggest that if we can find the room to store millions of cars on the roads, we should find the room for moving traffic first. Get rid of the state subsidised motorists who selfishly clog the roads up with their car storage and we'll have plenty of room for bike paths (which are also bloody useful for the disabled's mobilty scooters, car traffic moves quicker too, less congestion, less pollution, win-win all round.

The losers are house-holders with no space for their car but it's time to end the assumption that you just keep your car on the road.

It'll make a whole section of property more affordable too - it just gets better the more you think of it.

Put better than I did.

I assume you are not one of these said house holders who would lose out under this plan?

[IroningMan]

Mr Snrub said:

IroningMan said:

heebeegeetee said:

...Someone asked where are we going to find the room for cycle paths, and I suggest that if we can find the room to store millions of cars on the roads, we should find the room for moving traffic first. Get rid of the state subsidised motorists who selfishly clog the roads up with their car storage and we'll have plenty of room for bike paths (which are also bloody useful for the disabled's mobilty scooters, car traffic moves quicker too, less congestion, less pollution, win-win all round.

The losers are house-holders with no space for their car but it's time to end the assumption that you just keep your car on the road.

It'll make a whole section of property more affordable too - it just gets better the more you think of it.

Put better than I did.

I assume you are not one of these said house holders who would lose out under this plan?

The 'plan' was suggested in response to the demand - not from cyclists - that segregated cycle lanes be provided: where else might the space for such lanes come from?

[Mave]

cb1965 said:

Mave said:

I think you need to reflect on your own comprehension. Nowhere have I applied statistical significance to an an opinion.

You said why does it matter. For something to matter it has to have significance.

Are you still going? You were actually the one who said it mattered in the first place!

If your comprehension was as good as you imply, you'd realise that the references to Lycra (and militants etc.) are just a coarse rhetorical debating ploy with no real value in adding to the discussion.

[Mr Snrub]

IroningMan said:

Mr Snrub said:

IroningMan said:

heebeegeetee said:

...Someone asked where are we going to find the room for cycle paths, and I suggest that if we can find the room to store millions of cars on the roads, we should find the room for moving traffic first. Get rid of the state subsidised motorists who selfishly clog the roads up with their car storage and we'll have plenty of room for bike paths (which are also bloody useful for the disabled's mobilty scooters, car traffic moves quicker too, less congestion, less pollution, win-win all round.

The losers are house-holders with no space for their car but it's time to end the assumption that you just keep your car on the road.

It'll make a whole section of property more affordable too - it just gets better the more you think of it.

Put better than I did.

I assume you are not one of these said house holders who would lose out under this plan?

The 'plan' was suggested in response to the demand - not from cyclists - that segregated cycle lanes be provided: where else might the space for such lanes come from?

On most roads there is no space. Short of telling millions of people they can no longer own a car, which seems to be what heebeegeetee is suggesting with a straight face, or demolishing half the country and rebuilding it in an American city block style, it's not going to happen. Especially for a form of transport that, outside of major routes at peak times, represents a tiny minority of road users

[Mave]

Mr Snrub said:

On most roads there is no space. Short of telling millions of people they can no longer own a car, which seems to be what heebeegeetee is suggesting with a straight face, or demolishing half the country and rebuilding it in an American city block style, it's not going to happen. Especially for a form of transport that, outside of major routes at peak times, represents a tiny minority of road users

Depressingly, near me a fairly substantial development has recently been built with no transport infrastructure except for cars. The only half sensible way to get to the shops is along a dual carriageway. Couple of times a week I see pushchairs being pushed along the central reservation...

[IroningMan]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

You may be right, but I'd sooner see something being done about the aholes than give up - hence the OP.

[funkyrobot]

Mave said:

Mr Snrub said:

On most roads there is no space. Short of telling millions of people they can no longer own a car, which seems to be what heebeegeetee is suggesting with a straight face, or demolishing half the country and rebuilding it in an American city block style, it's not going to happen. Especially for a form of transport that, outside of major routes at peak times, represents a tiny minority of road users

Depressingly, near me a fairly substantial development has recently been built with no transport infrastructure except for cars. The only half sensible way to get to the shops is along a dual carriageway. Couple of times a week I see pushchairs being pushed along the central reservation...

Let's not forget the masses of new build homes with allocated parking for one vehicle.

The new estates near where I live are ridiculous. One car space allocated per house and very narrow roads around the estate (to discourage private car ownership, even though we are in Lincolnshire and public transport is terrible).

The result is the very narrow roads being clogged up with cars, and cars being parked fully across pavements. Great idea that.

[WinstonWolf]

Ozzie Osmond said:

WinstonWolf said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

WinstonWolf said:

Motorways are the only roads with a minimum speed limit, all other roads are for the use of everyone.

What is the minimum speed limit on motorways?

Certain slow moving vehicles, but that doesn't appear to be defined.

OK, you've confirmed your ignorance, there's no minimum speed limit on UK motorways. Better brush up on that Highway Code before you set off on the roads again.

I just brushed up on it, however you can be prosecuted for driving too slowly there just doesn't appear to be a stated figure.

[herewego]

funkyrobot said:

Mave said:

Mr Snrub said:

On most roads there is no space. Short of telling millions of people they can no longer own a car, which seems to be what heebeegeetee is suggesting with a straight face, or demolishing half the country and rebuilding it in an American city block style, it's not going to happen. Especially for a form of transport that, outside of major routes at peak times, represents a tiny minority of road users

Depressingly, near me a fairly substantial development has recently been built with no transport infrastructure except for cars. The only half sensible way to get to the shops is along a dual carriageway. Couple of times a week I see pushchairs being pushed along the central reservation...

Let's not forget the masses of new build homes with allocated parking for one vehicle.

The new estates near where I live are ridiculous. One car space allocated per house and very narrow roads around the estate (to discourage private car ownership, even though we are in Lincolnshire and public transport is terrible).

The result is the very narrow roads being clogged up with cars, and cars being parked fully across pavements. Great idea that.

People parking fully across pavements could be and should be dealt with by the police.