158hp and 925kg, ultra reliable and sounds superb...
Discussion
J4CKO said:
I drove a Mk1 MR2 and sure it was nimble but it was pretty slow, rose tinted specs are all very well but it would drive most of us mental now.
In that case you need a Mk1.5 or Mk1.61.5 = Mk1 with turbo engine from the Mk2 - 240bhp
1.6 = Mk1 with 3.0 v6 engine from the Camry - 200bhp
J4CKO said:
I drove a Mk1 MR2 and sure it was nimble but it was pretty slow, rose tinted specs are all very well but it would drive most of us mental now.
I think that would depend on what you were asking it to do. If you want it to convincingly out drag an aggressively driven A3 TDI away from an A-road roundabout, it might disappoint you fairly quickly. If you want it as an antidote to modern anaesthetised motoring (something everyone is always complaining about), it's quite a nice car to own. I'm sure it depends on what you're used to.You could go out and buy a new MX-5 this afternoon with comparable performance. Maybe that would drive you crazy as well though.
Bennet said:
J4CKO said:
I drove a Mk1 MR2 and sure it was nimble but it was pretty slow, rose tinted specs are all very well but it would drive most of us mental now.
I think that would depend on what you were asking it to do. If you want it to convincingly out drag an aggressively driven A3 TDI away from an A-road roundabout, it might disappoint you fairly quickly. If you want it as an antidote to modern anaesthetised motoring (something everyone is always complaining about), it's quite a nice car to own. I'm sure it depends on what you're used to.You could go out and buy a new MX-5 this afternoon with comparable performance. Maybe that would drive you crazy as well though.
Bennet said:
J4CKO said:
I drove a Mk1 MR2 and sure it was nimble but it was pretty slow, rose tinted specs are all very well but it would drive most of us mental now.
I think that would depend on what you were asking it to do. If you want it to convincingly out drag an aggressively driven A3 TDI away from an A-road roundabout, it might disappoint you fairly quickly. If you want it as an antidote to modern anaesthetised motoring (something everyone is always complaining about), it's quite a nice car to own. I'm sure it depends on what you're used to.You could go out and buy a new MX-5 this afternoon with comparable performance. Maybe that would drive you crazy as well though.
J4CKO may be right by saying 'most' people, but I know for me performance is a fair way down my list of priorities for a car and what the MR2 offers is just what I look for in a car. I've only moved on because I need to tow and carry big things now and if those requirements went, then an MR2 or an Elise would be very high up my list (once I'd tried a GT86 of course).I own one of Mitsubishis offerings from this era..A 1996 mirage asti.
1.6 170bhp(ish) naturally aspirated, weighs in at about 1060kg, it's basically a coupe variant of the CJ colt cyborg.
8500rpm redline is an awful lot of fun (0-60 in 6.8 or so), spending vast sums of money getting it back to a decent standard, less so.
I would heartily recommend it to anyone into retro jap stuff, parts are quite cheap and easy to source in the main, it does 26-28mpg even if you drive it like a loon and spend lots of time in the MIVEC range. The main issue with them is rust, and the gearboxes can be a bit iffy.
1.6 170bhp(ish) naturally aspirated, weighs in at about 1060kg, it's basically a coupe variant of the CJ colt cyborg.
8500rpm redline is an awful lot of fun (0-60 in 6.8 or so), spending vast sums of money getting it back to a decent standard, less so.
I would heartily recommend it to anyone into retro jap stuff, parts are quite cheap and easy to source in the main, it does 26-28mpg even if you drive it like a loon and spend lots of time in the MIVEC range. The main issue with them is rust, and the gearboxes can be a bit iffy.
Edited by designforlife on Thursday 27th October 17:17
Bennet said:
I think that would depend on what you were asking it to do. If you want it to convincingly out drag an aggressively driven A3 TDI away from an A-road roundabout, it might disappoint you fairly quickly. If you want it as an antidote to modern anaesthetised motoring (something everyone is always complaining about), it's quite a nice car to own. I'm sure it depends on what you're used to.
You could go out and buy a new MX-5 this afternoon with comparable performance. Maybe that would drive you crazy as well though.
Having coming from an NC I was excited by the ND, do not get me wrong fantastic car, but it annoyed me so much the steering weighting is poorly judged in all respects (I know EPAS is bad, but there could at least be some weight to the thing). Equally there were some huge design oversights like the wind blocker and a few other bits.You could go out and buy a new MX-5 this afternoon with comparable performance. Maybe that would drive you crazy as well though.
Yes they are as good as you've read/seen, I've had loads of old Honda VTEC's and they certainly punch well above their weight. You need to drive them hard to get the best out of them, but they take a thrashing well and that's all part of the appeal and charm. Rust is the big problem with hondas of that age, and the good ones command good money.....still cheap compared to other (more popular but in every measurable way worse) hatches of a similar age. I can see values going sharply north in the near future.
K20 swaps in the older Honda chassis are obscenely fast for what they are, you can thrash them all day long, and a naturally aspirated 250bhp, with 9k redline, OEM reliability, decent MPG, in a sub 1000kg chassis is easy to achieve.
K20 swaps in the older Honda chassis are obscenely fast for what they are, you can thrash them all day long, and a naturally aspirated 250bhp, with 9k redline, OEM reliability, decent MPG, in a sub 1000kg chassis is easy to achieve.
PorkFan said:
K20 swaps in the older Honda chassis are obscenely fast for what they are, you can thrash them all day long, and a naturally aspirated 250bhp, with 9k redline, OEM reliability, decent MPG, in a sub 1000kg chassis is easy to achieve.
Agreed 70/80s cars with modern engines are a delight and I could spend all day thinking about combinations of engine/car.mk1 CRXs/EG Civics ,Del Sols, are all ripe for K20 swaps.
MK1/2 Fiestas with 2.0 Zetecs/Duratecs
MK1/2 Golf GTIs with 2.0 16v ABFs
Toyota Corrola/Starlets/MR2s with 2.0l BEAMS
Classic Minis with B series/K series all sorts
Butter Face said:
adamwri said:
A chap on here (DannyDC2) has an Civic (EK9?) with a K20 lump in there. From the YouTube videos he puts up, it looks pretty incredible. Got to say something about the high revving, NA engines in those kinds of cars do look great fun.
His is an EG (6 I think) with a K20. Brutal combination.The original B16 is a great engine. I had an EJ9 (1998 base model 1.4 with no electric anything) and fitted a B16 in that. Circa 1000kg and it was a great car.
One of my mates had a CRX With the D16 non VTEC (I think it was a D16A9) with 130bhp and even that was quick.
I have also had a CRX (2nd generation with folding hardtop) with the B18C4 from the UK MB6 VTI-S model. Circa 180bhp with an LSD gearbox. That was a hoot.
My brother used to race a mini with a JDM B16A from a Civic EG6 SiR II which I believe has 170BHP compared to the 160BHP version we got. This engine was totally standard, had already covered well over 100,000KM and only had an oil and cambelt change before being transplanted into the mini.
This engine hit the (raised to 8800RPM, it was running a DTA engine management system) rev limiter every single gear change and sounded immense on track. It was totally reliable and always started first time, which was a revelation after the constant grief of the original 130BHP A series.
I totally rate petrol honda engines, my dad has a 2005 Civic Type S shed and I love driving that too.
This engine hit the (raised to 8800RPM, it was running a DTA engine management system) rev limiter every single gear change and sounded immense on track. It was totally reliable and always started first time, which was a revelation after the constant grief of the original 130BHP A series.
I totally rate petrol honda engines, my dad has a 2005 Civic Type S shed and I love driving that too.
daveco said:
So lately I've been reading up on 80's/90's Hondas and Toyotas and perusing best motoring vids. The Honda CR-X stood out and seems to be quite the car judging from the praise the hot models received at launch.
Has anyone driven or owned one or any of the other lightweight, high revving Hondas/Nissans/Toyotas etc from the 80's/90's?
Personally I don't think you have to limit yourself to a country of manufacture - loads of fun 90's cars were European (205 GTi, Mk2 Golf GTi etc) Has anyone driven or owned one or any of the other lightweight, high revving Hondas/Nissans/Toyotas etc from the 80's/90's?
I've had a few, I had a mate's non VTEC CRX for a few weeks whilst I sold it and it was a cracking little car so I bought a VTEC CRX - it just wasn't as good and nothing like the spec suggests, the Prelude 2.2 VTEC was better IMO.
I found the Mk1 MR2 too small and really didn't bond with it (mine was a supercharged import)
I bought my first MK1 MX5 20+ years ago and still have it - I'd never kept a car over 6 months before, I supercharged it first to 180bhp then to 220+bhp I haven't found anything that is remotely practical and as much fun.
Currently my track car is a MK2 MR2 which is lightened to around 1000kg and has a 220bhp V6 transplant - it's very good.
Many moons ago I had an EE9 Civic 1.6i VT. 150 bhp in something weighing little more than a tin can.
Fantastic little car. i fitted a K & N 57i kit to it. Sounded like and F1 car when the Vtec kicked in. Yo!
I would happily have one in my dream garage, along with all the other exotica.
Fantastic little car. i fitted a K & N 57i kit to it. Sounded like and F1 car when the Vtec kicked in. Yo!
I would happily have one in my dream garage, along with all the other exotica.
adamwri said:
Butter Face said:
adamwri said:
A chap on here (DannyDC2) has an Civic (EK9?) with a K20 lump in there. From the YouTube videos he puts up, it looks pretty incredible. Got to say something about the high revving, NA engines in those kinds of cars do look great fun.
His is an EG (6 I think) with a K20. Brutal combination.The original B16 is a great engine. I had an EJ9 (1998 base model 1.4 with no electric anything) and fitted a B16 in that. Circa 1000kg and it was a great car.
One of my mates had a CRX With the D16 non VTEC (I think it was a D16A9) with 130bhp and even that was quick.
I have also had a CRX (2nd generation with folding hardtop) with the B18C4 from the UK MB6 VTI-S model. Circa 180bhp with an LSD gearbox. That was a hoot.
Sort out the fuel system, map it again and off we go!
Butter Face said:
adamwri said:
A chap on here (DannyDC2) has an Civic (EK9?) with a K20 lump in there. From the YouTube videos he puts up, it looks pretty incredible. Got to say something about the high revving, NA engines in those kinds of cars do look great fun.
His is an EG (6 I think) with a K20. Brutal combination.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/profile.asp?h=0...
Squirrelofwoe said:
Butter Face said:
adamwri said:
A chap on here (DannyDC2) has an Civic (EK9?) with a K20 lump in there. From the YouTube videos he puts up, it looks pretty incredible. Got to say something about the high revving, NA engines in those kinds of cars do look great fun.
His is an EG (6 I think) with a K20. Brutal combination.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/profile.asp?h=0...
https://youtu.be/NDeJBd1E4hM
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