RE: Mazda Eunos Roadster/Subaru Forester STI: PH Fleet

RE: Mazda Eunos Roadster/Subaru Forester STI: PH Fleet

Sunday 30th October 2016

Mazda Eunos Roadster/Subaru Forester STI: PH Fleet

JDM habit runs deep in the Trent family; could yet prove to be a rather costly addiction for all



At what point do you decide whether a much loved but slightly tatty member of the automotive fleet merits a significant investment? Or should just be enjoyed as-is, taking a palliative approach maintenance as the inevitable looms? Put bluntly, is considering an expensive respray for the Eunos a sound investment in its future and 'keeper' status? Or burning money to create the four-wheeled equivalent of mutton dressed as lamb?

Tempting, but not tempting enough...
Tempting, but not tempting enough...
With my brother I've just been tyre-kicking another 90s JDM hero in the shape of a Mitsubishi Evo IV. This was inspired by a temptingly cheap one for sale at a motorhome dealer round the corner. And, yes, alarm bells were already ringing. Advertised at £4,995 the keenness for the chap to talk deals before I'd even opened my mouth suggested he'd let it go for rather less. But it was impossible to ignore the fact it'd need at least a couple of grand spending on it just to get it up to standard. The combined total of that and purchase price, as it goes, is about what you'd spend on a freshly imported example from Japan with no rust, dodgy mods or other scars following a decade of UK ownership/ragging.

As always, when buying a car it's always sound advice to go for the best you can afford rather than burn money bringing an old snotter up to the same standard. But what if you already own - and have a significant emotional attachment - to the old snotter?

The paint looks alright from here!
The paint looks alright from here!
Hence a trip down the M1 to well-regarded MX-5 bodywork specialists Deepcar Autobodies in the hills north of Sheffield. Or, to be entirely accurate, the more scenic route over Holme Moss, this seeming a more Eunos-appropriate way of making the journey than sitting at a camera-enforced drone on the motorway. The kind of journey that instantly makes spending a multiple of the car's value on getting the paint sorted an entirely logical course of action...

In classic car terms my Eunos is a '20 footer' in that, from such a distance, it looks pretty good. Though there's no rust (thankfully) up close the illusion is harder to carry off, paint that's more patchwork quilt than overcoat, the scars of that rear-end repair I didn't notice in my excitement of buying it and a couple of dings and scrapes picked up along the way adding up to the need for a proper job. And that's what Deepcar will do. For about twice what the car is worth. Thankfully the work of Dave and his team is sufficiently in demand that he won't be able to touch it until March at the earliest, giving me a 'cooling off' period as I ponder whether it's actually a good idea or not. Impressive as it was I don't think I'm up for the full Pit Crew Racing conversion like the one rolled out of Deepcar's workshop as I arrived. A nice demonstration of the quality of their work. But I'll stick with the standard looks, ta.

Well it's an idea...
Well it's an idea...
Meanwhile the other JDM car on the fleet is coming up to a year in my hands and is therefore in with local Subaru specialist Richard Henry Motorsport for an MoT and service. Added incentive for this came in the form of a dead speedo and refusal to rev beyond 3,750rpm, this apparently caused by the malfunction of the module installed to convert it from km/h to mph. An easy fix apparently but while it's in for the service it'll also be getting new discs and pads all round, braided lines going on while that's being sorted out. Easy enough you'd think but apparently seized bolts are an occupational hazard with the Brembo calipers on Subarus and even after an extended soak in penetrating oil, by the law of sod, seven out of eight came out fine. The final one is being helicoiled as I write. This will mess with my OCD but is, I guess, the pragmatic solution.

There is some 'good' news; apparently my '05 Forester uses the older 100mm PCD hubs rather than the 114.3mm ones on 2005-on Imprezas, meaning the replacement discs are significantly cheaper. Money saved that can, once again, be diverted to my continued (and long overdue) exhaust upgrade deliberations. Man maths. Ain't it a wonderful thing...


FACT SHEET
Car
: 2005 Subaru Forester STI (JDM import model)
Run by: Dan Trent/the long suffering Mrs Trent
Bought: December 2015
Mileage: 122,843km (at purchase)
Purchase price: £9,500
Last month at a glance: In for a service; discs, pads and broken speedo on to-do list

Previous reports:
Dan scores himself one of his all-time dream cars
Living the Subaru lifestyle dream
Dan versus JDM wind deflectors (with a little help from Sticky Stuff Remover)

FACT SHEET
Car
: 1993 Eunos Roadster (JDM import model)
Run by: Dan Trent
Bought: January 2011
Mileage: Enough to justify pending expenditure? Probably not...
Purchase price: £1,250
Last month at a glance: Break out the rattle can!

Previous reports:
The answer to everything?
More exhaust noise? Don't mind if I do...
Skidfoolery at Silverstone on the eco tyres
Er, more skidfoolery at Silverstone on the eco tyres!
Hibernation? Not for this Eunos!
Sell it? Nah, I'll just drive it, ta
Spring comes along and heating mechanism packs up
Skids on hold as LSD bites the dust
Eunos out of hiding and expenditure looms



[Sources: FB Tuning]

Author
Discussion

K2iss

Original Poster:

110 posts

234 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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I'd love to have the Forester, seems like the perfect car for moving the dogs around, and have fun when alone in the car. Looks great in black too. Somehow with its boxiness, it looks less dated in design than the Imprezas of the same era.
Not sure my OH would be able to cope with the fuel bills though. Do you get anything above 20MPG?

TristPerrin

135 posts

177 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Do it! Good NA MX5s will be a rare thing soon. I'm convinced these will be a "should of bought one 5-10 years ago" car.

Also; any more pictures of the pitcrew? I love that conversion cloud9

rastapasta

1,846 posts

137 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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whats the roadbike??

Aaron_W

471 posts

89 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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My dream family car would have to be a Roger Clark tuned Forester STI, black with gunmetal alloys :P

ian_c_uk

1,234 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Currently helping my Mum sell her Mk1, am tempted just to buy it off her and track it!

AlexMG

85 posts

146 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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I'm currently in the same situation.

I need new front pads, split hose in engine bay, new tires all round, ecu clear out to get rid of the passenger side airbag light, back box and its due the cambelt and water pump.

Looking like a bag of sand for a bag of sand. That's without delving deeper into the engine bay and looking at the turbo.

Come MOT in December I think it'll be time to flog it on the bay. shame as its only just gone over 100k

jtopps

154 posts

153 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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I would highly reccomend Deepcar Autobodies. My car was a rusty basket case that needed both sills almost completely replacing. It now looks utterly fantastic and it increased the value of the car substantially.

From this:


To this:



It even got used in a music video! Happy to share more photos/wax lyrical about MX5's (as is MX5 owner tradition) in order to convince you that the man maths adds up. Got some pictures before/during/after it was at Dave's.

screanz

14 posts

104 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Good write up Dan. I'm slightly alarmed that your Orange Five has been replaced by a road bike...

James Junior

827 posts

156 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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I can empathise Dan. I had the same conundrum, oddly enough also with a MK1 Eunos - mine was an S Special - and also an old Alfa 156 V6. Both cars were worth buttons, but their sentimental value to me was through the roof. I was very attached to both, in that way that old cars worm their way into your affection more than modern cars do. In the end I just couldn't justify the expense. I ended up moving the rusty Eunos on for just over a grand. The Alfa meanwhile which was suffering with terrible paint but was wonderful mechanically, I let go to another enthusiast for £300. That one wasn't about the money but about knowing it was going to someone that would restore it and cherish it.

I do miss the Alfa a bit, but have no regrets and definitely put the money I would have spent on respraying them to better use (i.e. I spent it on mods for my other cars).

Having been through the experience, in my opinion unless the MX5 is a car that you plan to keep forever and is in great shape mechanically, its probably just not worth it.

TroubledSoul

4,589 posts

193 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Saw your Forester parked up outside there on Saturday thumbup

I was in with the "bent" Impreza laugh

macky17

2,210 posts

188 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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K2iss said:
I'd love to have the Forester, seems like the perfect car for moving the dogs around, and have fun when alone in the car. Looks great in black too. Somehow with its boxiness, it looks less dated in design than the Imprezas of the same era.
Not sure my OH would be able to cope with the fuel bills though. Do you get anything above 20MPG?
Mine averages 25/26 mpg in mixed driving so Dans is probably similar.

Dan I can help: sell me your forester front splitter to put a little towards the work... wink

V8RX7

26,766 posts

262 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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K2iss said:
I'd love to have the Forester, Do you get anything above 20MPG?
I get around that in mine (an XT remapped to 272bhp) but as mine's also on LPG I effectively get 40mpg (as it's less than half the price)

macky17

2,210 posts

188 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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V8RX7 said:
K2iss said:
I'd love to have the Forester, Do you get anything above 20MPG?
I get around that in mine (an XT remapped to 272bhp) but as mine's also on LPG I effectively get 40mpg (as it's less than half the price)
Sti = more economical.

griffo71

34 posts

123 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Well written Dan 👍

Howrare

302 posts

205 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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One of the best fleet updates / articles for ages.

I'm in exactly the same place with my Eunos S-Ltd Dan. I know people always say "it's a keeper" but I've come very close to selling it a couple of times, and just can not do it. It doesn't really owe me anything, it's the first car I've done most of the spannering on, I went to my wedding in it, and I love driving it into the Welsh hills, or anywhere for that matter.

My personal issue with these little cars is once they've got under the skin is wanting to do it all, but never having the readies.

I need to do the paint, (£1500) it's getting horrid, but..
I should probably do all the body seals if they're coming off for the paint.(£300?) If I'm doing those....
I probably need a new hood (£500 - Mohair and glass or nothin'!). If the paint and hood get done...
I need to refurb the wheels. (£250)

On top of all that, I kinda need to do a full service soon, and I keep putting the belt and water pump off, so that's were the next couple hundred need to go.

For me the answer is going to be, carry on fettling the mechanics, and once I've got a garage to keep it in I'll pull the trigger on the refurb. Oh and the Meister R's and drop the subframes, blast and powercoat, and re trim the interior, and the R Package spoilers, and Rota RKR's and... and ...smile This thing is going to cost me, but I love it.



Itsallicanafford

2,759 posts

158 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Dan, paying for a respray will very much deadend the money, sounds like the 5 will sell so with the respray money you might have £3k in the kitty. How about investing in an equally fun car which is rising in value now. Hot hatches look like a good bet.

I sold my 5, I now have a 106 Rallye. But equally, 306 GTI-6, 205 gti 1.6.



smaybury

87 posts

148 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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macky17 said:
Sti = more economical.
Is that true? I want an STi to replace my XTe (auto), probably in the spring, but I tend to keep cars for a long time and the 'new dad' in me is nagging about fuel economy.

I don't do tonnes of miles, and I know the 6th ratio (and lack of the prehistoric auto box from my current car) would help... so it really won't take much to convince me. Every car I look at within a budget of 8-12k, I just keep coming back to the STi as the perfect all-rounder.

V8RX7

26,766 posts

262 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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smaybury said:
macky17 said:
Sti = more economical.
Is that true?
How can it be ?

It is essentially the same car with a larger turbo.

There could be 1 or 2 mpg in it but it would depend more upon the roads and the driver than the car.




smaybury

87 posts

148 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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V8RX7 said:
How can it be ?...

There could be 1 or 2 mpg in it
So, it could be? biggrin


Even ignoring the auto vs manual thing, the STi has an extra gear vs the UK XT/E/n models which, you'd imagine, would help on longer journeys.


V8RX7

26,766 posts

262 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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smaybury said:
V8RX7 said:
How can it be ?...

There could be 1 or 2 mpg in it
So, it could be? biggrin


Even ignoring the auto vs manual thing, the STi has an extra gear vs the UK XT/E/n models which, you'd imagine, would help on longer journeys.
It could be either way wink

Common sense says a smaller turbo coming on boost faster and at lower revs will be more economical but I can't remember if the STi heads are better flowing, the aero could help but the larger scoop and tyres would hurt - it's too close to call IMO.

I don't use motorways if possible as they are so dull, I can't remember using 6th at all in my BMW (also dull so it didn't last long)