RE: PH Carpool: Toyota GT86
Discussion
DM525i said:
WTF! engine out to change plugs. When these reach 100k odd that will mean that many of these will be written off as the cost will not be justified on what will be an old car. Such a shame Toyota haven't keep thing reasonably simple and serviceable. Even before they get old that would always play on my mind.
it's not engine out.Kesler said:
Thanks Adam! is your one the red 86 I see at some of the SS's?
no mine is pearl white (awesome colour), Silverstone was the first SS i'd been to since getting it. im on the 86 forum so will try and get along to a meet with everone on there at some point, any excuse for a drive out 
Bencolem said:
Very tastefully modified, it does look great. Where's the front number plate though?
Fetchez la vache said:
I have to admit to thinking the GT86 a bit of a missed opportunity, looks wise. A guy at work has one and seeing it every day hasn't swayed me yet.
Yours, however is the first to make me think that it actually looks really rather nice.
Top work
(tips virtual hat)
Thanks guys! Yours, however is the first to make me think that it actually looks really rather nice.
Top work
(tips virtual hat)
Bencolem - A Traveller decided to throw a brick out on to the road while driving, I had nowhere to go so had to brace the impact and it damaged my bumper and numberplate mount. I asked the bodyshop to smooth off the bumper and I'll deal with the plate elsewhere just to give it a fresh look.
Reedy4147 said:
no mine is pearl white (awesome colour), Silverstone was the first SS i'd been to since getting it. im on the 86 forum so will try and get along to a meet with everone on there at some point, any excuse for a drive out
Ahhh haha nice one!---
Just to add, it is on Toyota's advice that they would deem the spark plugs to be an engine out job - not the end of the world, but they may ask upwards of £500 for the 60k service if you're not on a service plan. However this is where independent specialists can be your saviour; they will have the skills to cut the corner of getting the engine out, either to replace with an array of tools and adapters to get to the located plugs or to jack the car up a little bit to make more space.
Don't be put off by this at all, it's a great car and I absolutely love mine to bits, there are many independent specialists out there who can help with this and with various other areas of the car which will put your mind at rest.
Definitely a keeper.
"it would be about the dealership care after the sale. They were very reluctant to help, even with warranty issues - but stick to your guns and they will buckle".
Having once been in the main dealer world, warranty, as with any manufacturer, has stringent terms in regard to what is warranty and what is not.
Ultimately (and I am not being rude I promise), it is a used car and has been "used". Whether it is bought from a main dealer or not, it is still a used car but with the added bonus of still being under warranty and fully prepared. Used car sites and main dealers will always try their best to help in regard to rectification but you are not paying new car money......
Yours looks like a nice example as it happens and you sound like you are enjoying it!! Excellent!
Having once been in the main dealer world, warranty, as with any manufacturer, has stringent terms in regard to what is warranty and what is not.
Ultimately (and I am not being rude I promise), it is a used car and has been "used". Whether it is bought from a main dealer or not, it is still a used car but with the added bonus of still being under warranty and fully prepared. Used car sites and main dealers will always try their best to help in regard to rectification but you are not paying new car money......
Yours looks like a nice example as it happens and you sound like you are enjoying it!! Excellent!
Nice write up, also a fellow gt86 owner.
Re spark plug change (mine has already had 60k service) costs about £450 at Toyota and they lift the engine off the mounts slightly but don't disconnect everything or remove it from car completely. Also worth noting Toyota's serving costs on used cars almost half in price when cars reach 5 years old, so I expect the costs will get lower as they get older.
As said already great cars overall.
Re spark plug change (mine has already had 60k service) costs about £450 at Toyota and they lift the engine off the mounts slightly but don't disconnect everything or remove it from car completely. Also worth noting Toyota's serving costs on used cars almost half in price when cars reach 5 years old, so I expect the costs will get lower as they get older.
As said already great cars overall.
DAZLA01 said:
"it would be about the dealership care after the sale. They were very reluctant to help, even with warranty issues - but stick to your guns and they will buckle".
Having once been in the main dealer world, warranty, as with any manufacturer, has stringent terms in regard to what is warranty and what is not.
Ultimately (and I am not being rude I promise), it is a used car and has been "used". Whether it is bought from a main dealer or not, it is still a used car but with the added bonus of still being under warranty and fully prepared. Used car sites and main dealers will always try their best to help in regard to rectification but you are not paying new car money......
Yours looks like a nice example as it happens and you sound like you are enjoying it!! Excellent!
I'm a bit confused by some statements you make regarding the warranty so it's good to know you've been on the inside. You say that it's a bonus to buy second hand from a deal as in this case it has the balance of the manufacturer warranty. So that's good because the warranty is the warranty. Black and white. But then you say they'll try their best but he's not paying new car money.... suggesting that because it's not new he won't get the same level of support? So which is it?Having once been in the main dealer world, warranty, as with any manufacturer, has stringent terms in regard to what is warranty and what is not.
Ultimately (and I am not being rude I promise), it is a used car and has been "used". Whether it is bought from a main dealer or not, it is still a used car but with the added bonus of still being under warranty and fully prepared. Used car sites and main dealers will always try their best to help in regard to rectification but you are not paying new car money......
Yours looks like a nice example as it happens and you sound like you are enjoying it!! Excellent!
That looks fantastic - pearl white, those wheels and ride height, and the wing - all comes together well. In many ways yours is what the tacky TRD 'edition' should look like!
What suspension is it on? The stance looks great, but how is it on the potholed A-roads that made you sell the CTR in the first place? Asking as I've never really got on with aftermarket suspension personally.
I had a p-ride on track at Bedford, they really work well on track IMO.
Great write-up, your enthusiasm really comes through.
mikey P 500 said:
Nice write up, also a fellow gt86 owner.
Re spark plug change (mine has already had 60k service) costs about £450 at Toyota and they lift the engine off the mounts slightly but don't disconnect everything or remove it from car completely. Also worth noting Toyota's serving costs on used cars almost half in price when cars reach 5 years old, so I expect the costs will get lower as they get older.
As said already great cars overall.
Ah yes Mike I forgot you had yours done already!Re spark plug change (mine has already had 60k service) costs about £450 at Toyota and they lift the engine off the mounts slightly but don't disconnect everything or remove it from car completely. Also worth noting Toyota's serving costs on used cars almost half in price when cars reach 5 years old, so I expect the costs will get lower as they get older.
As said already great cars overall.
samoht said:
That looks fantastic - pearl white, those wheels and ride height, and the wing - all comes together well. In many ways yours is what the tacky TRD 'edition' should look like!
What suspension is it on? The stance looks great, but how is it on the potholed A-roads that made you sell the CTR in the first place? Asking as I've never really got on with aftermarket suspension personally.
I had a p-ride on track at Bedford, they really work well on track IMO.
Great write-up, your enthusiasm really comes through.
Thank you for the kind words Tom! What suspension is it on? The stance looks great, but how is it on the potholed A-roads that made you sell the CTR in the first place? Asking as I've never really got on with aftermarket suspension personally.
I had a p-ride on track at Bedford, they really work well on track IMO.
Great write-up, your enthusiasm really comes through.
They're currently on the OE shocks but with a set of Eibach Pro-Kit lowering springs, lowering the front by 25mm and the rear by 20mm. Oddly enough, the Civic was on a set of Eibach Pro-Kits too (F: 20mm, R: 15mm) but with a mild geo setup and possibly worn OE shocks it must've been near the end of its life, or the spring rates for these are different. With the Civic, I found myself wincing and clenching with every pothole, even in super-pothole-evasive-driving-mode. The GT86 appears to be softer over the bumps and holes, but, although lowering the car has reduced that softness somewhat the car still feels super agile, super smooth, almost retaining all the OE feel, but it just has that (even more) direct feeling behind the wheel. It's hard to explain, plus I'm horrific at explaining these things!
I do know that the Eibach Sportline springs for the car would've ruined it for me (F+R: 35mm), so I stand by with my choice (for now!).
This was the EP3 (which I still kinda miss) :
Honda Civic Type R EP3 by Andy Liu, on Flickr
Kesler said:
Thank you for the kind words Tom!
They're currently on the OE shocks but with a set of Eibach Pro-Kit lowering springs, lowering the front by 25mm and the rear by 20mm. Oddly enough, the Civic was on a set of Eibach Pro-Kits too (F: 20mm, R: 15mm) but with a mild geo setup and possibly worn OE shocks it must've been near the end of its life, or the spring rates for these are different. With the Civic, I found myself wincing and clenching with every pothole, even in super-pothole-evasive-driving-mode. The GT86 appears to be softer over the bumps and holes, but, although lowering the car has reduced that softness somewhat the car still feels super agile, super smooth, almost retaining all the OE feel, but it just has that (even more) direct feeling behind the wheel. It's hard to explain, plus I'm horrific at explaining these things!
I too had Eibach springs and (mistakenly) blamed them for the harsh ride. After they were fitted it was very flat and nimble, but every imperfection in the road was transmitted to my arse and hands, and bumps & potholes were a nightmare - it was horrible. Had the springs removed and returned to OEM and it was better but still nowhere near right. I'd forgotten about the stiffer ARBs I had fitted at the same time as the springs. D'oh!They're currently on the OE shocks but with a set of Eibach Pro-Kit lowering springs, lowering the front by 25mm and the rear by 20mm. Oddly enough, the Civic was on a set of Eibach Pro-Kits too (F: 20mm, R: 15mm) but with a mild geo setup and possibly worn OE shocks it must've been near the end of its life, or the spring rates for these are different. With the Civic, I found myself wincing and clenching with every pothole, even in super-pothole-evasive-driving-mode. The GT86 appears to be softer over the bumps and holes, but, although lowering the car has reduced that softness somewhat the car still feels super agile, super smooth, almost retaining all the OE feel, but it just has that (even more) direct feeling behind the wheel. It's hard to explain, plus I'm horrific at explaining these things!
Once they were returned to standard it was great - again. Like it was before I started messing about.
DAZLA01 said:
Yours looks like a nice example as it happens and you sound like you are enjoying it!! Excellent!
ZX10R NIN said:
Nice car OP
littlelewis6 said:
Nicely written OP, changing a few personal details, previous car etc, I think I would have written basically the exact same carpool entry, summed up ownership of an 86 brilliantly.
Thank you everyone 
LordGrover said:
I too had Eibach springs and (mistakenly) blamed them for the harsh ride. After they were fitted it was very flat and nimble, but every imperfection in the road was transmitted to my arse and hands, and bumps & potholes were a nightmare - it was horrible. Had the springs removed and returned to OEM and it was better but still nowhere near right. I'd forgotten about the stiffer ARBs I had fitted at the same time as the springs. D'oh!
Once they were returned to standard it was great - again. Like it was before I started messing about.
Haha! Once they were returned to standard it was great - again. Like it was before I started messing about.
You've just reminded me though, I did have a WRX rear ARB fitted to my 86 last year, that enhanced the directness and the way I lean in the corners a little bit to feel more of the car mid turn. A great result from a small increase in ARB size!One thing that used to irritate me was the horn. It made a puny "meep" noise.
Unfortunately changing it for something better is a bit of a pfaf as you need to dismantle most of the front end :-(
I decided to put up with the "meep".
Engine out of the car to change the plugs is pretty ridiculous. I'm old enough to remember when maintenance on Japanese cars was a breeze.
Unfortunately changing it for something better is a bit of a pfaf as you need to dismantle most of the front end :-(
I decided to put up with the "meep".
Engine out of the car to change the plugs is pretty ridiculous. I'm old enough to remember when maintenance on Japanese cars was a breeze.
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