Diesel scrappage scheme
Discussion
I doubt diesel values will move much. It's just a ploy to sell more new cars. Consumers see the value in diesels, even if politicians don't like what comes out of the exhaust. However, in ten to fifteen years, I expect new diesels sales will be massively restricted by the direction the manufacturers are taking in developing hybrid and electric cars, despite what the consumer may want. It'll be electric for local trips and hybrid will replace diesel as the long range choice.
TooMany2cvs said:
Fox- said:
If people must buy diesel at least we encourage them out of nasty old EU3 ones and into considerably cleaner EU6 ones.
D'you mind? Mine's Euro2. Just. If it was a little older, it'd be Euro1.
ts smog on cyclists on cold mornings 
. Tempted to replace it with a euro 4 aged one, have an awful feeling the DPF and other filters might just 'fall off' though. Loyly said:
I doubt diesel values will move much. It's just a ploy to sell more new cars. Consumers see the value in diesels, even if politicians don't like what comes out of the exhaust. However, in ten to fifteen years, I expect new diesels sales will be massively restricted by the direction the manufacturers are taking in developing hybrid and electric cars, despite what the consumer may want. It'll be electric for local trips and hybrid will replace diesel as the long range choice.
It's game over for diesels now https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/0...All cities are going to charge them.
caelite said:
Ditto euro 2. It sts smog on cyclists on cold mornings . Tempted to replace it with a euro 4 aged one, have an awful feeling the DPF and other filters might just 'fall off' though.
The soot test on the mot will detect it was removed.ts smog on cyclists on cold mornings . Tempted to replace it with a euro 4 aged one, have an awful feeling the DPF and other filters might just 'fall off' though. delta0 said:
It's game over for diesels now https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/0...
All cities are going to charge them.
Is there any reason to suggest this will be any different to the approach the Germans have taken?All cities are going to charge them.
This hasn't banned diesels - it's banned cars that do not meet Euro IV or greater in many areas.
Fox- said:
Is there any reason to suggest this will be any different to the approach the Germans have taken?
This hasn't banned diesels - it's banned cars that do not meet Euro IV or greater in many areas.
London has been talking about Euro 6 for a while. They are bringing charges for 1-5.This hasn't banned diesels - it's banned cars that do not meet Euro IV or greater in many areas.
delta0 said:
London has been talking about Euro 6 for a while. They are bringing charges for 1-5.
Exactly - this isn't quite the 'end of diesel' is it?Let's look at London - from September 2020, the ULEZ comes into force which by imposing a punitive charge on driving within the zone does effectively 'ban' groups of vehicles from the capital. Is it a diesel ban? No, it's not. It's a pre Euro 6 diesel ban. At the time, this will mean diesels over about 6 or 7 years old. It also bans pre Euro 4 petrol cars. Therefore, it recognises that:
a) Older diesels are quite nasty
b) Petrol is, generally, cleaner than diesel, but is still harmful and older ones particularly so.
The net result then is that we don't 'ban diesels', we ban vehicles of any fuel type that are deemed dangerously polluting.
The government could, of course, kill demand for diesel overnight if it wanted by significantly reducing fuel duty because really the only reason people buy diesel is for the economics. There are very few diesel cars in Texas...
treetops said:
Was talked about tonight on R4.
Possibility it may happen, sounds to me like the end of the diesel and values may well plummet as will their popularity.
Thoughts?
If you're referring to the interview on Radio 4, Edmund King of the AA said 'We can address half of the problem by targeting 10% of polluters', the clean air advocate chap Alan Andrews then persisted to go on about cars.Possibility it may happen, sounds to me like the end of the diesel and values may well plummet as will their popularity.
Thoughts?
At least they mentioned pollution from shipping for those in Southampton.
delta0 said:
It's game over for diesels now https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/0...
All cities are going to charge them.
They should appeal again to buy some time and then revoke the law in question:All cities are going to charge them.
article said:
The UK’s duty to cut illegal air pollution as quickly as possible derives from EU laws but the action required following the high court defeat will be taken well before Brexit takes place. The government has said it will transfer all EU rules into UK law but, post-Brexit, the government could revise air pollution legislation.
BlackLabel said:
article said:
The UK’s duty to cut illegal air pollution as quickly as possible derives from EU laws but the action required following the high court defeat will be taken well before Brexit takes place. The government has said it will transfer all EU rules into UK law but, post-Brexit, the government could revise air pollution legislation.
Brexit means Brexit means.....
I love the way certain factions on this site take the stance that diesel is the devils fuel and only fluffy kittens and rainbows are released from the tail pipe of petrol powered cars...
People have been pushed into deisels by government taxation and now it's the poorest who will have to foot the bill for the governments short sightedness.
I don't disagree deisel fumes are unpleasant bit the worst is belched from the tailpipes of public transport vehicles.
Surely the answer lies in better public transport systems, more flexible approaches to people working from home, better safer cycle routes etc then tax those who still wish to drive 1 mile to drop the kids of at school.
People have been pushed into deisels by government taxation and now it's the poorest who will have to foot the bill for the governments short sightedness.
I don't disagree deisel fumes are unpleasant bit the worst is belched from the tailpipes of public transport vehicles.
Surely the answer lies in better public transport systems, more flexible approaches to people working from home, better safer cycle routes etc then tax those who still wish to drive 1 mile to drop the kids of at school.
delta0 said:
The soot test on the mot will detect it was removed.
Nah it doesn't. There is a visual check to make sure the filter is still where it should be but they dont check it internally (or for most garages, at all). Provided the engine is running right it isnt picked up by the emissions check. caelite said:
Nah it doesn't. There is a visual check to make sure the filter is still where it should be but they dont check it internally (or for most garages, at all). Provided the engine is running right it isnt picked up by the emissions check.
The soot check is a new one. It is purposely intended to catch dpf removals. It is different from the emissions or visual checks.delta0 said:
caelite said:
Nah it doesn't. There is a visual check to make sure the filter is still where it should be but they dont check it internally (or for most garages, at all). Provided the engine is running right it isnt picked up by the emissions check.
The soot check is a new one. It is purposely intended to catch dpf removals. It is different from the emissions or visual checks.An actual particulate test requires some rather expensive equipment to do properly.
caelite said:
Havnt actually heard anything about that, certainly wasnt in place of over the summer, colleague ran his dpfless ranger through no problem. As far as I know the only check currently in place is still just visual.
An actual particulate test requires some rather expensive equipment to do properly.
It is new rules coming in. I will see what info I can dig out. An actual particulate test requires some rather expensive equipment to do properly.
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