Diesel scrappage scheme
Discussion
spookly said:
powerstroke said:
First they came for the diesels !!!!!
Can we ask them to remove cyclists from the road next?
ts that run our cities and lives,cyclists can do no wrong ..... sorry ..... and remember you are supposed to feel guilty about using your car!!!
Edited by powerstroke on Thursday 3rd November 05:55
delta0 said:
Athlon said:
Where are the special notices for this?
What do we do to the smoke head?
The MOT test as it stands tests for particulates and soot already:
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_740.htm
This is a new test focused on the dpf. It is intended to find a detective dpf. The current test doesn't do this.What do we do to the smoke head?
The MOT test as it stands tests for particulates and soot already:
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_740.htm
What do we do with the smoke head?
Show me written evidence, I test all day everyday and I have not seen or heard anything about a review of the test.
powerstroke said:
spookly said:
powerstroke said:
First they came for the diesels !!!!!
Can we ask them to remove cyclists from the road next?ts that run our cities and lives,cyclists can do no wrong ..... sorry ..... and remember you are supposed to feel guilty about using your car!!!
Edited by powerstroke on Thursday 3rd November 05:55
powerstroke said:
First they came for the diesels !!!!!
Technically, they first came for big CC petrols, then smaller CC petrols and only now are coming for old diesels. Give it enough time and they will come for whatever it is they will be tax incentivising the masses into next. The masses rejoiced when they came for the big petrol engines cars with the kind of priapism that only the British have when someone who is perceived to be richer is penalised. The masses again rejoiced when normal petrols were penalised and bought diesels because diesels didn't produce the evil CO2 that murders kittens in Kathmandu. And now those same masses are rejoicing at the assault on the stinky immigrant diesels that kill our babies. And whatever the government selects for lower initial sales taxation going forward will be hailed as the new Messiah and those who do not follow this Messiah will be shunned as non believers and evil doers up until the point that the taxation is changed again to shift the masses away from that Messiah and to the next.
Athlon said:
delta0 said:
Athlon said:
Where are the special notices for this?
What do we do to the smoke head?
The MOT test as it stands tests for particulates and soot already:
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_740.htm
This is a new test focused on the dpf. It is intended to find a detective dpf. The current test doesn't do this.What do we do to the smoke head?
The MOT test as it stands tests for particulates and soot already:
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_740.htm
What do we do with the smoke head?
Show me written evidence, I test all day everyday and I have not seen or heard anything about a review of the test.
Although i'm not a fan of diesel, I know that once people let them take their diesels away, it'll be petrol next. The people behind this will not be satisfied until we're all sitting in autonomous google boxes and everything else is banned from the road. We all have a responsibility to make sure none of this comes to pass.
Probably best to just shut ClientEarth down and send them floating off into the sea.
Probably best to just shut ClientEarth down and send them floating off into the sea.
AH33 said:
once people let them take their diesels away, it'll be petrol next.
They already did that, havent you seen the cost of road tax on a sub 5 year old, large engined petrol and the price of petrol at the pump compared to 5 years ago? Everyone was looking the other way at how much more mpg you'd get from a diesel, the insurance was cheaper, as was the road tax and the cost per gallon was lower as well. Now, the cost to fill a diesel is higher than a petrol. When everyone was being herded into diesels through incentives there wasnt that much noise being made about how they might be more polluting. People buy cars at a price point. The decision for car buying for many people is how much does it cost to buy, how practical is it, how economical is it and does it look good. If Sharon in her A3 has two cars side by side, one's the 2.0 petrol that costs x and the 2.0 Tdi that's going to save her around 25% in running, she's going to go for the cheaper cost hand to mouth. You can tell her til you're blue in the face that it might cost more to replace a DMF, she's going to see 'that one costs me £50/week in fuel and that one costs me £35
caelite said:
Yeah im going to call bull aswell, he's not linked to any sources or even attempted to justify his claims, particulate testing equipment is expensive so wide scale implementation would be a pain in the ass.
Please read the news articles. This was heavily reported. It is coming in imminently. No notices yet as it is not in force, but very soon.andy-xr said:
...havent you seen the ... price of petrol at the pump compared to 5 years ago?
Yep, it's a lot cheaper now, even before inflation.https://www.petrolprices.com/the-price-of-fuel.htm...
November 2011 - 95 unleaded - £1.33.7 = £1.46.5 after RPI. Diesel - £1.40.9 = £1.54.4 after RPI.
delta0 said:
MG CHRIS said:
The diesel emition test is and always has been a smoke test the level 3.5 hasn't changed for years a dpf removed car will pass with ease.
This is a completely new test for detecting particulates and soot for determining if a dpf is defective. It hasn't come into force yet but will soon.mario64 said:
I thought the current proposal for the ULEZ was going to be (i) starting from 1st January 2019 and (ii) an extra £10 a day for all Euro 1-5 cars regardless of their fuel type or emissions? I'm smarting about it because many of the most polluting vehicles like black cabs and busses will be excluded, but my Euro 5 Maserati will cost £1000 a year in new taxes.
Still, if I thought it genuinely would fix London's air pollution problem I would be happy to pay. I think in practice it will make little difference though.
1-3 petrol and 1-5 diesel. However this law forces them to extend it to other cities in the Uk now.Still, if I thought it genuinely would fix London's air pollution problem I would be happy to pay. I think in practice it will make little difference though.
Edited by mario64 on Wednesday 2nd November 21:23
Edited by delta0 on Wednesday 2nd November 22:38
delta0 said:
caelite said:
Yeah im going to call bull aswell, he's not linked to any sources or even attempted to justify his claims, particulate testing equipment is expensive so wide scale implementation would be a pain in the ass.
Please read the news articles. This was heavily reported. It is coming in imminently. No notices yet as it is not in force, but very soon.Trabi601 said:
Evanivitch said:
Except it's as much about how much as it is where.
There's a road near where I work, that is uphill, retaining wall on one side, terraced houses on the other. Morning rush hour queues often form down the hill, and it generally sees HGV and general traffic. Its the perfect storm of limited wind effect, queuing traffic and engines underload on an up hill stretch. It's not the busiest road but it is one of the most polluted in the UK outside London.
Hafod-yr-Ynys Road?There's a road near where I work, that is uphill, retaining wall on one side, terraced houses on the other. Morning rush hour queues often form down the hill, and it generally sees HGV and general traffic. Its the perfect storm of limited wind effect, queuing traffic and engines underload on an up hill stretch. It's not the busiest road but it is one of the most polluted in the UK outside London.
The road network around that area is really poor - dual carriageway from Maesycwmmer to Newbridge, then dumps all the traffic on single carriageways. The climb up from Crumlin is steep and the new road layout with zip merge doesn't appear to have helped - if anything, it has moved the queue from the traffic lights to the hill.
Reality is that a bypass route of dual carriageway standard is needed from Newbridge through to Pontypool.
(Not the thread for it, but the S. Wales economy is being strangled by under-investment in the road network and where there is money to be spent, small-minded valleys NIMBYs have blocked improvements - I'm particularly looking at the residents of Maesycwmmer who seem to want to queue in traffic rather than have road improvements)
king speed bumps and big traffic density due to the traffic calming measures. Don't get me started on the m4 around Newport.
DoubleD said:
Most petrol stations that I've seen sell petrol and diesel for the same price, or a very similar price.
Like a lot have already said, what will they ban after diesel.....
Exactly. Governments will go for whatever target gives them the required tax take. Once they have got rid of diesels, and removed that source of revenue, they will be going for what the tree huggers and certain factions of the government deem to be `unnecessary' cars such as high performance or sports cars, and SUV`s.Like a lot have already said, what will they ban after diesel.....
As the words of the song go, If you want to sit, we`ll tax your seat, if you want to walk, we`ll tax your feet.
TooMany2cvs said:
Yep, it's a lot cheaper now, even before inflation.
https://www.petrolprices.com/the-price-of-fuel.htm...
November 2011 - 95 unleaded - £1.33.7 = £1.46.5 after RPI. Diesel - £1.40.9 = £1.54.4 after RPI.
1967 Leaded 28p per gallon= Today £4.71 in a Standard 8 @ 40 mpg = 12 pence per milehttps://www.petrolprices.com/the-price-of-fuel.htm...
November 2011 - 95 unleaded - £1.33.7 = £1.46.5 after RPI. Diesel - £1.40.9 = £1.54.4 after RPI.
2016 Diesel Volvo S60 @ 50mpg = 10 pence per mile
Cheaper and also comfier today, though I would rather be 18 and in a Standard 8 again!
(I know I'm ignoring other running costs)
twoblacklines said:
I wish they would ban all 4 cylinder and below diesels.
I mean if you are going to go around polluting with black smog, at least your car should sound good doing it.
Higher displacement 4s can have a nice raspy noise. https://youtu.be/NbkP_jvkzn8I mean if you are going to go around polluting with black smog, at least your car should sound good doing it.
With diesels though the more refined they get the crapper the noise is. Manufacturers seem to be obsessed with removing every ounce of growl from them until all thats left is idle rattle.
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