Diesel scrappage scheme
Discussion
I makes me laugh how there are people that genuinely think they will wake up one morning a find out that diesel cars have been instantaneously banned, either worldwide or even just the UK. It's an ongoing issue and, like EV's, there needs to be good enough replacements ready to roll out for the general public and also public transport and such.
It's being done gradually over time. I'd expect them to be taxed to death until they don't become a viable option anymore. That doesn't mean that we're all fine with petrol as that will be next on the list after the demise of diesel. A sudden breakthrough in alternate/electric cars isn't happening anytime soon in my eyes either.
You can all sleep well tonight, i guess.
It's being done gradually over time. I'd expect them to be taxed to death until they don't become a viable option anymore. That doesn't mean that we're all fine with petrol as that will be next on the list after the demise of diesel. A sudden breakthrough in alternate/electric cars isn't happening anytime soon in my eyes either.
You can all sleep well tonight, i guess.
Loyly said:
I doubt diesel values will move much. It's just a ploy to sell more new cars...
Pretty much the same as the last scrapple scheme then. People will perfectly serviceable cars bin them off for the sake of something shiny and new. If values drop then I'll lose some on my E Class but it was only £4k and I'll be able to pick up a newer diesel for a better price. 500-600 motorway miles a month suits a diesel perfectly so for the time being, I'll be sticking with one to cover the motorway driving I do.
tters get taxes to death but as said, then they will come for petrol.
300bhp/ton said:
Talking diesels, I really rather fancy getting my hands on something like this:
Not too sure what sort of licence I'd need to drive it on the road though...
Kerb weight is around 20ton (On a MAZ 537 at least, which this looks like, but I'm not 100% sure what that is). It's plated to tow 15ton too so technically you would need C+E (Class 1 HGV). Not too sure what sort of licence I'd need to drive it on the road though...
You could downplate it to a 750kg tow weight, park a caravan on it and plate it as a motorhome that way you could get out of running a tacho with an O license. I know people do this with old British army trucks although they tend to be sub 8 ton which you can drive on an 'old' pre 1997 licence (which I assume YOU have, old yin
), I am not sure if the process is any different for heavier vehicles.PS: If you get one geez a shout, would love to help you out getting it across Europe to the UK
Edited by caelite on Thursday 1st December 18:44
caelite said:
Kerb weight is around 20ton (On a MAZ 537 at least, which this looks like, but I'm not 100% sure what that is). It's plated to tow 15ton too so technically you would need C+E (Class 1 HGV).
You could downplate it to a 750kg tow weight, park a caravan on it and plate it as a motorhome that way you could get out of running a tacho with an O license. I know people do this with old British army trucks although they tend to be sub 8 ton which you can drive on an 'old' pre 1997 licence (which I assume YOU have, old yin), I am not sure if the process is any different for heavier vehicles.
PS: If you get one geez a shout, would love to help you out getting it across Europe to the UK
Thanks for the info. Yeah I think driving it on the road might be a sticking point. Despite taking my driving test at 17, I'm afraid to say, I'm not old enough to have a pre 97 licence. You could downplate it to a 750kg tow weight, park a caravan on it and plate it as a motorhome that way you could get out of running a tacho with an O license. I know people do this with old British army trucks although they tend to be sub 8 ton which you can drive on an 'old' pre 1997 licence (which I assume YOU have, old yin
), I am not sure if the process is any different for heavier vehicles.PS: If you get one geez a shout, would love to help you out getting it across Europe to the UK
Edited by caelite on Thursday 1st December 18:44
Pretty sure I've read you can drive 'show' vehicles or something a short distance without a special licence. Or I wonder if you could register it as an agri vehicle.
300bhp/ton said:
Thanks for the info. Yeah I think driving it on the road might be a sticking point. Despite taking my driving test at 17, I'm afraid to say, I'm not old enough to have a pre 97 licence.
I always assumed you were a 50-odd year old northerner with a penchant for checked shirts, Bolo ties and stetsons.300bhp/ton said:
caelite said:
Kerb weight is around 20ton (On a MAZ 537 at least, which this looks like, but I'm not 100% sure what that is). It's plated to tow 15ton too so technically you would need C+E (Class 1 HGV).
You could downplate it to a 750kg tow weight, park a caravan on it and plate it as a motorhome that way you could get out of running a tacho with an O license. I know people do this with old British army trucks although they tend to be sub 8 ton which you can drive on an 'old' pre 1997 licence (which I assume YOU have, old yin), I am not sure if the process is any different for heavier vehicles.
PS: If you get one geez a shout, would love to help you out getting it across Europe to the UK
Thanks for the info. Yeah I think driving it on the road might be a sticking point. Despite taking my driving test at 17, I'm afraid to say, I'm not old enough to have a pre 97 licence. You could downplate it to a 750kg tow weight, park a caravan on it and plate it as a motorhome that way you could get out of running a tacho with an O license. I know people do this with old British army trucks although they tend to be sub 8 ton which you can drive on an 'old' pre 1997 licence (which I assume YOU have, old yin
), I am not sure if the process is any different for heavier vehicles.PS: If you get one geez a shout, would love to help you out getting it across Europe to the UK
Edited by caelite on Thursday 1st December 18:44
Pretty sure I've read you can drive 'show' vehicles or something a short distance without a special licence. Or I wonder if you could register it as an agri vehicle.
, Not sure about show vehicles, I am not aware they get any leeway in the rules, agricultural vehicle laws are a bit of a minefield I have no experience with personally. I know they can only operate within a certain range of their operating base, also I think new agri machines need to be limited to 45km/h or something along those lines (which to be fair isnt that much slower than the ~40mph you will get out of an 8x8) but I also know the majority of farmers completely disreguard this law so it isn't enforced.Imo the obvious point of entry, provided you are medically able to do so, is to splash out the £1-2k and train yourself up to C licence, If you are over a certain age or have certain medical conditions this is a pain in the arse though, I believe with a motorhome plate you do not need to maintain a driver CPC/medical. There is also size limits, I am not sure how big these things are but if its much longer/wider than you're typical coach then it may not be viable for UK registration.
Easiest option: Move to eastern Europe.
You might actually have room to turn it around there too. EDIT: Oh another note on the agri reg part. I know farmers have certain leeways with HGV laws (they can run longer b-doubles with goofy weights), however I am pretty sure you actually have to be a farmer to make use of them. I am not sure if owning an agricultural road going vehicle carries the same requirement.
Edited by caelite on Thursday 1st December 19:22
culpz said:
I makes me laugh how there are people that genuinely think they will wake up one morning a find out that diesel cars have been instantaneously banned, either worldwide or even just the UK. It's an ongoing issue and, like EV's, there needs to be good enough replacements ready to roll out for the general public and also public transport and such.
It's being done gradually over time. I'd expect them to be taxed to death until they don't become a viable option anymore. That doesn't mean that we're all fine with petrol as that will be next on the list after the demise of diesel. A sudden breakthrough in alternate/electric cars isn't happening anytime soon in my eyes either.
You can all sleep well tonight, i guess.
No, electric isn't about to take off any time soon. It's not like manufacturers are gearing up for it, is it?It's being done gradually over time. I'd expect them to be taxed to death until they don't become a viable option anymore. That doesn't mean that we're all fine with petrol as that will be next on the list after the demise of diesel. A sudden breakthrough in alternate/electric cars isn't happening anytime soon in my eyes either.
You can all sleep well tonight, i guess.
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talksthetorque said:
because of hysteria.
And because the mainstream manufacturers started to introduce it as a Factory product just as Diesels started to take off for mainstream cars.
SlimJim16v said:
Well, the pollution warnings were set off today in London for the first time.
Yes, but banning private diesel cars in the UK won't stop continental industrial pollution, wood stove pollution, gas CH boiler pollution etc. breaking an arbitrary politically set limit with no real health risk whatsoever.caelite said:
Huh, always pinned you as an old fart! , Not sure about show vehicles, I am not aware they get any leeway in the rules, agricultural vehicle laws are a bit of a minefield I have no experience with personally. I know they can only operate within a certain range of their operating base, also I think new agri machines need to be limited to 45km/h or something along those lines (which to be fair isnt that much slower than the ~40mph you will get out of an 8x8) but I also know the majority of farmers completely disreguard this law so it isn't enforced.
Imo the obvious point of entry, provided you are medically able to do so, is to splash out the £1-2k and train yourself up to C licence, If you are over a certain age or have certain medical conditions this is a pain in the arse though, I believe with a motorhome plate you do not need to maintain a driver CPC/medical. There is also size limits, I am not sure how big these things are but if its much longer/wider than you're typical coach then it may not be viable for UK registration.
Easiest option: Move to eastern Europe. You might actually have room to turn it around there too.
EDIT: Oh another note on the agri reg part. I know farmers have certain leeways with HGV laws (they can run longer b-doubles with goofy weights), however I am pretty sure you actually have to be a farmer to make use of them. I am not sure if owning an agricultural road going vehicle carries the same requirement.
Thanks again. I'll do some reading up., Not sure about show vehicles, I am not aware they get any leeway in the rules, agricultural vehicle laws are a bit of a minefield I have no experience with personally. I know they can only operate within a certain range of their operating base, also I think new agri machines need to be limited to 45km/h or something along those lines (which to be fair isnt that much slower than the ~40mph you will get out of an 8x8) but I also know the majority of farmers completely disreguard this law so it isn't enforced.Imo the obvious point of entry, provided you are medically able to do so, is to splash out the £1-2k and train yourself up to C licence, If you are over a certain age or have certain medical conditions this is a pain in the arse though, I believe with a motorhome plate you do not need to maintain a driver CPC/medical. There is also size limits, I am not sure how big these things are but if its much longer/wider than you're typical coach then it may not be viable for UK registration.
Easiest option: Move to eastern Europe.
You might actually have room to turn it around there too. EDIT: Oh another note on the agri reg part. I know farmers have certain leeways with HGV laws (they can run longer b-doubles with goofy weights), however I am pretty sure you actually have to be a farmer to make use of them. I am not sure if owning an agricultural road going vehicle carries the same requirement.
Edited by caelite on Thursday 1st December 19:22
Re: agri, I don't think you need to be a farmer exactly, lots of things like Unimogs are used as agri vehicles for tree surgery and the like. Although it probably is a somewhat unclear area.
Anyhow fear not, while it's not 100% my day job, I do have very close ties to farming.
Here are some of the other vehicle I get to drive, er play with
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