Diesel scrappage scheme
Discussion
I don't think certain diesels deserve half the flack they get.
My cars euro3 and doesn't smoke. Maybe because because its been looked after and has sat on long runs so isn't sooted up internally. I also regularly clean the intercooler through, EGR etc, and also run it on premium diesel.
Its got bags of torque in gear making it feel much quicker than it is, and it sits at 60mpg at 70mph. It always sits at about 2000RPM at 70mph, whereas most of my petrol Fords where between 2750-3000RPM at 70mph so is quieter at speed.
Just as an example, to get from Ipswich to Marlborough in my car costs about £35 there and back. My petrol cars i'd be lucky to do it on £50. It takes about 3 hours roughly - sometimes half hour if the M25 or M4 is a bit sticky. The train costs £135.70 and takes 45 minutes longer - along with a dash across London and then I've got to get from Bedwyn to Marlborough.
Electric vehicles aren't viable as they don't have the range. Hybrids possibly - but i doubt it will do much better than my diesel MPG - the one Prius I have driven was gutless and needed flogging to do anything.
If viable public transport existed - I agree people would move away from diesel. But until they can come up with a long distance alternative that eats miles and has the same power/economy balance that diesel does.
My cars euro3 and doesn't smoke. Maybe because because its been looked after and has sat on long runs so isn't sooted up internally. I also regularly clean the intercooler through, EGR etc, and also run it on premium diesel.
Its got bags of torque in gear making it feel much quicker than it is, and it sits at 60mpg at 70mph. It always sits at about 2000RPM at 70mph, whereas most of my petrol Fords where between 2750-3000RPM at 70mph so is quieter at speed.
Just as an example, to get from Ipswich to Marlborough in my car costs about £35 there and back. My petrol cars i'd be lucky to do it on £50. It takes about 3 hours roughly - sometimes half hour if the M25 or M4 is a bit sticky. The train costs £135.70 and takes 45 minutes longer - along with a dash across London and then I've got to get from Bedwyn to Marlborough.
Electric vehicles aren't viable as they don't have the range. Hybrids possibly - but i doubt it will do much better than my diesel MPG - the one Prius I have driven was gutless and needed flogging to do anything.
If viable public transport existed - I agree people would move away from diesel. But until they can come up with a long distance alternative that eats miles and has the same power/economy balance that diesel does.
talksthetorque said:
Sounds like operator error to me. 
What was the temperature when you were scrabbling for grip?
( you're bound to say somewhere hot and sunny now...
)
The Rhone valley, yesterday 2 degrees. Loads of boost, no grip. Diesels are only good for trotting up and down the motorways. Otherwise hopeless. What was the temperature when you were scrabbling for grip?
( you're bound to say somewhere hot and sunny now...
)DoubleD said:
yonex said:
I had a diesel hire car this week, worse still fwd. I thought they'd got better, wrong. Narrow power band, scrabbling for grip and sounded dire.
f
king horrible. Was glad to get back into a 10 year old straight 6.
What car was it?f
king horrible. Was glad to get back into a 10 year old straight 6. yonex said:
Not with that engine. I would just give it back. I cannot believe anything that poor is fitted to a modern car. No better than a 1990 bloody Escort diesel. Better connectivity I guess
A 1990 Escort diesel is most certainly not peaky and will not feel like a revy engine, thus will not feel like it runs out of revs.Indeed not all diesel engines do either. The puma lump in my X-Type isn't all the powerful, but I've never taken it round to the red line, it just doesn't rev that way. Feels like you have to wind it out. In some ways it drives rather similar in terms of power delivery as my memory of my old 1850 MGB GT did. Only with a fatter low kiddish range. Certainly not pesky by any means.
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 1st December 23:25
300bhp/ton said:
A 1990 Escort diesel is most certainly not pesky and will not feel like a revy engine, thus will not feel like it runs out of revs.
Indeed not all diesel engines do either. The puma lump in my X-Type isn't all the powerful, but I've never taken it round to the red line, it just doesn't rev that way. Feels like you have to wind it out. In some ways it drives rather similar in terms of power delivery as my memory of my old 1850 MGB GT did. Only with a fatter low kiddish range. Certainly not pesky by any means.
You obviously never drove the 90's Escort TD, massively peaky, hideous powerplant. I can't tolerate short and over torquey power bands, they don't drive well at all. On the steep hairpins this turd of an engine was always between ratios, like I said a petrol V6 would have worked well, this, for a 2016 car was poor. Peaky is not just chasing the redline, it is a 1500 rpm zone outside of which sod all happens, ladies and gents, the 2016 X-Trail.Indeed not all diesel engines do either. The puma lump in my X-Type isn't all the powerful, but I've never taken it round to the red line, it just doesn't rev that way. Feels like you have to wind it out. In some ways it drives rather similar in terms of power delivery as my memory of my old 1850 MGB GT did. Only with a fatter low kiddish range. Certainly not pesky by any means.
yonex said:
You obviously never drove the 90's Escort TD, massively peaky, hideous powerplant. I can't tolerate short and over torquey power bands, they don't drive well at all. On the steep hairpins this turd of an engine was always between ratios, like I said a petrol V6 would have worked well, this, for a 2016 car was poor. Peaky is not just chasing the redline, it is a 1500 rpm zone outside of which sod all happens, ladies and gents, the 2016 X-Trail.
Well I'm just glad that my 2008 Xtrail is nothing like. 
caelite said:
Higher displacement 4s can have a nice raspy noise. https://youtu.be/NbkP_jvkzn8
With diesels though the more refined they get the crapper the noise is. Manufacturers seem to be obsessed with removing every ounce of growl from them until all thats left is idle rattle.
And you link me to a pick up with a custom exhaust? Hardly a good example is it? The average 2.0 tdi out there sounds terrible.With diesels though the more refined they get the crapper the noise is. Manufacturers seem to be obsessed with removing every ounce of growl from them until all thats left is idle rattle.
You can tell it is all about tax revenue when the electric cars came out with 0% emissions, and then they started taxing them too, even though they don't pollute.
yonex said:
You obviously never drove the 90's Escort TD, massively peaky, hideous powerplant. I can't tolerate short and over torquey power bands, they don't drive well at all. On the steep hairpins this turd of an engine was always between ratios, like I said a petrol V6 would have worked well, this, for a 2016 car was poor. Peaky is not just chasing the redline, it is a 1500 rpm zone outside of which sod all happens, ladies and gents, the 2016 X-Trail.
I've had an X-Trail as a hire car this week. I have described it as having a very truck like feel as opposed to the car like SUVs, and having an engine from the 90s. Added to what felt like a very short ratio transmission, I think it's a terrible example of diesel powertrain and bears no resemblance to most of the volvos, audis, fords etc that I have as hire cars.Edited to add.... that's not meant to be a criticism of the Nissan, I think they are aiming it at a more rugged, utilitarian end of the market.
Edited by Hungrymc on Friday 2nd December 06:34
Fox- said:
CoolHands said:
They do smoke though. Even 62 plate cars and vans chuck st out. Some a bit, and some terribly. To think otherwise is contrary to what most of us see every day.
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