Ford Or Vauxhall? Which Is Worse
Discussion
bluezedd said:
Vauxhall just because they are made by GM. Tbh I think GM belongs in the council thread even if they do make chevrolets and cadillacs.
(disclaimer, I own 2 GM saab vectras.)
Yeah, sorry to disappoint, but Vauxhall are now French, which means in 5-10 years time they'll be nothing more than a modern Peugeot/Citroen in a frock.(disclaimer, I own 2 GM saab vectras.)
lyonspride said:
bluezedd said:
Vauxhall just because they are made by GM. Tbh I think GM belongs in the council thread even if they do make chevrolets and cadillacs.
(disclaimer, I own 2 GM saab vectras.)
Yeah, sorry to disappoint, but Vauxhall are now French, which means in 5-10 years time they'll be nothing more than a modern Peugeot/Citroen in a frock.(disclaimer, I own 2 GM saab vectras.)
We have 2 Fords and 1 Vauxhall in our family and prior to that had an Audi and VW so are well placed to comment. Admittedly the newest of our 3 is now nearly 8 years old so not representative of current cars.
Anyway, all are perfectly competent cars. The Fords have nicer steering feel and I think handle better, but to be fair an Insignia vs Fiesta MK6 ST and Gen 1 Ford Ka comparison isn't fair on the Insignia, big old bus that it is.
The Insignia feels as well screwed together as my old B5.5 Passat which was built like a tank. What lets it down is the slightly cheap feeling of the interior plastics. As it nears 100,000 miles it feels as tight or if not tighter to drive as my Passat and is holding together better than my Mk1 Audi A3 did at 65,000 miles.
So for me a lot of it is sheer badge snobbery and many of the people on here who hate Vauxhalls (or Fords) so much are basing their experiences on cars they owned 15 or 20 years ago which isn't really fair as things move on!! The new Gransport Insignia is a lovely looking car IMO and is winning Auto Express comparison tests very regularly against competent stuff like the Skoda Superb. The Ford Fiesta regularly wins group tests too, so both makes produce decent cars these days.
Anyway, all are perfectly competent cars. The Fords have nicer steering feel and I think handle better, but to be fair an Insignia vs Fiesta MK6 ST and Gen 1 Ford Ka comparison isn't fair on the Insignia, big old bus that it is.
The Insignia feels as well screwed together as my old B5.5 Passat which was built like a tank. What lets it down is the slightly cheap feeling of the interior plastics. As it nears 100,000 miles it feels as tight or if not tighter to drive as my Passat and is holding together better than my Mk1 Audi A3 did at 65,000 miles.
So for me a lot of it is sheer badge snobbery and many of the people on here who hate Vauxhalls (or Fords) so much are basing their experiences on cars they owned 15 or 20 years ago which isn't really fair as things move on!! The new Gransport Insignia is a lovely looking car IMO and is winning Auto Express comparison tests very regularly against competent stuff like the Skoda Superb. The Ford Fiesta regularly wins group tests too, so both makes produce decent cars these days.
greenarrow said:
The Fords have nicer steering feel and I think handle better,
I agree that Fords have superior handling to Vauxhall, but don't play down that they do handle. The Insignia recently looked after S on the (wet) M1, when she was confronted by an utter cock socket reversing for a junction in lane 1. She had to brake hard and swerve at a speed starting with an 8, a scenario which could well have resulted in a loss of control.It took it in its stride, and her and the car lived to see another day. That to my mind doesn't make it a bad handling car.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Monday 17th June 13:34
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
lyonspride said:
bluezedd said:
Vauxhall just because they are made by GM. Tbh I think GM belongs in the council thread even if they do make chevrolets and cadillacs.
(disclaimer, I own 2 GM saab vectras.)
Yeah, sorry to disappoint, but Vauxhall are now French, which means in 5-10 years time they'll be nothing more than a modern Peugeot/Citroen in a frock.(disclaimer, I own 2 GM saab vectras.)
As for the car manufacturer, I heard from a former employee that the new (since late 2000's) German CEO demands that all staff do the "heel click" salute when entering his office or when meeting him in passing. Not very British......
bluezedd said:
lyonspride said:
Yeah, sorry to disappoint, but Vauxhall are now French, which means in 5-10 years time they'll be nothing more than a modern Peugeot/Citroen in a frock.
That sounds like an improvement then!
Kateg28 said:
And the Zafira and Meriva are dreadful
Not for the fat,unwashed & tattooed who unable to stop breeding enjoy a fat monthly cheque from HMG & need a glorified van with carpets to haul the detritus of their lives around. As seen at Tesco's & Butlins car parks, never washed & with a myriad of dents & scratches. WJNB said:
Kateg28 said:
And the Zafira and Meriva are dreadful
Not for the fat,unwashed & tattooed who unable to stop breeding enjoy a fat monthly cheque from HMG & need a glorified van with carpets to haul the detritus of their lives around. As seen at Tesco's & Butlins car parks, never washed & with a myriad of dents & scratches. Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
greenarrow said:
The Fords have nicer steering feel and I think handle better,
I agree that Fords have superior handling to Vauxhall, but don't play down that they do handle. The Insignia recently looked after S on the (wet) M1, when she was confronted by an utter cock socket reversing for a junction in lane 1. She had to brake hard and swerve at a speed starting with an 8, a scenario which could well have resulted in a loss of control.It took it in its stride, and her and the car lived to see another day. That to my mind doesn't make it a bad handling car.
Edited by Fermit and Sexy Sarah on Monday 17th June 13:34
WJNB said:
Not for the fat,unwashed & tattooed who unable to stop breeding enjoy a fat monthly cheque from HMG & need a glorified van with carpets to haul the detritus of their lives around. As seen at Tesco's & Butlins car parks, never washed & with a myriad of dents & scratches.
Nail on head 
Not really. The opposite is true.
PCP has resulted in the decline of Vauxhall Ford etc at the expense and inexorable rise of the German brands being Audi BMW Mercedes etc. That's why their perceived exclusivity and 'premium' status
of these once great German marques still chased by every man and his dog who wants to put one on their driveway thinking they are impressing the neighbours is top comedy
PCP has resulted in the decline of Vauxhall Ford etc at the expense and inexorable rise of the German brands being Audi BMW Mercedes etc. That's why their perceived exclusivity and 'premium' status
of these once great German marques still chased by every man and his dog who wants to put one on their driveway thinking they are impressing the neighbours is top comedygottans said:
I gave up with Ford around 2002, had enough Vauxhall rental cars to cross those off the list. I find these brands always compromise something important such as driving position or seat comfort.
I suspect PCP finance is probably why they have survived..
Not sure about that, the current mondeo has the single most comfortable car seats I’ve ever sat in, better than volvo even. I suspect PCP finance is probably why they have survived..
someknob said:
As for the car manufacturer, I heard from a former employee that the new (since late 2000's) German CEO demands that all staff do the "heel click" salute when entering his office or when meeting him in passing. Not very British......
That is about as ridiculous a comment as you could possibly get on this whole ridiculous thread.I suppose he has a small moustache too and a swastika tattoo.
kin range rover still had the sticker barcodes visible through the front dash gaps! Nickbrapp said:
Not sure about that, the current mondeo has the single most comfortable car seats I’ve ever sat in, better than volvo even.
Very true. We had a 17 plate loaner when I crashed the Insignia, well, when I was crashed in to. It was one area which the Ford had our Vauxhall spanked. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff