Ford Or Vauxhall? Which Is Worse
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Why leave it at ford /Vauxhall all the mainsstream manufactures make white goods cars the germans the Japanese the americans It just the German cars have some misplaced value put on them by the hard of thinking badge snobs
Audi A4 bogo spec or a mondeo the only difference perhaps is the audi will be driven by a yob with pointy shoes and the mondeo by someone who is caravan club member ... they are both dull white goods average s
te..
Yes nissan make the micra but the also make the skyline ..
lets be more like car enthusiasts and judge the car not the maker shall we ???
Audi A4 bogo spec or a mondeo the only difference perhaps is the audi will be driven by a yob with pointy shoes and the mondeo by someone who is caravan club member ... they are both dull white goods average s
te..Yes nissan make the micra but the also make the skyline ..
lets be more like car enthusiasts and judge the car not the maker shall we ???
powerstroke said:
Why leave it at ford /Vauxhall all the mainsstream manufactures make white goods cars the germans the Japanese the americans It just the German cars have some misplaced value put on them by the hard of thinking badge snobs
Audi A4 bogo spec or a mondeo the only difference perhaps is the audi will be driven by a yob with pointy shoes and the mondeo by someone who is caravan club member ... they are both dull white goods average ste..
Yes nissan make the micra but the also make the skyline ..
lets be more like car enthusiasts and judge the car not the maker shall we ???
Because that would just descend into the usual PH "brands I hate" thread.Audi A4 bogo spec or a mondeo the only difference perhaps is the audi will be driven by a yob with pointy shoes and the mondeo by someone who is caravan club member ... they are both dull white goods average s
te..Yes nissan make the micra but the also make the skyline ..
lets be more like car enthusiasts and judge the car not the maker shall we ???
Kierkegaard said:
Vauxhalls are hateful things.
The only Vauxhalls worth buying are ones not really made by Vauxhall at all - thinking VX220, Monaro etc. And even then some owners chip off the Vauxhall badges.
Vauxhall to me just puts me in mind of a steaming pile of turd. They have no real place in today's world and should be ousted from UK roads.
I thought the only Vauxhall's made by, er, Vauxhall, is the Astra, and I really don't mind them.The only Vauxhalls worth buying are ones not really made by Vauxhall at all - thinking VX220, Monaro etc. And even then some owners chip off the Vauxhall badges.
Vauxhall to me just puts me in mind of a steaming pile of turd. They have no real place in today's world and should be ousted from UK roads.
In fact, my old man's 2015 1.4 Turbo is quite a handsome thing.
Recently had a Focus estate as a hire car and that was decent too
J4CKO said:
Kierkegaard said:
Vauxhalls are hateful things.
The only Vauxhalls worth buying are ones not really made by Vauxhall at all - thinking VX220, Monaro etc. And even then some owners chip off the Vauxhall badges.
Vauxhall to me just puts me in mind of a steaming pile of turd. They have no real place in today's world and should be ousted from UK roads.
Out of interest, what do you drive ?The only Vauxhalls worth buying are ones not really made by Vauxhall at all - thinking VX220, Monaro etc. And even then some owners chip off the Vauxhall badges.
Vauxhall to me just puts me in mind of a steaming pile of turd. They have no real place in today's world and should be ousted from UK roads.
I am no Vauxhall fanboy boy but "steaming pile of turd" and "They have no real place in today's world and should be ousted from UK roads", most I can manage is indifference and perhaps buying something else ?
If these companies' products were as bad as they are made out to be they would have been out of business years ago.
In my opinion it's largely about perception and the effect of clever marketing and customer experience management. I worked for a large tech company and we had a "comparing notes" session with one of the major German auto brands on the subject of customer service. What became clear is that they did not believe that, objectively, their vehicles were that much better than those of the mainstream manufacturers, who are so derided most on PH. The difference was in the ownership experience which included everything from the breakdown service to the dealer service experience to the little convenience touches inside the car, like a torch for example. All carefully thought through.
My early experience of company cars was Fords and Vauxhalls. Never really disappointed by any of the cars, in fact a couple of Cavaliers were quite hot at the time, though the dealer service generally left much to be desired. When I "graduated" to a BMW I felt a bit special. But then I have to ask myself was it the car or just my ego being stroked and being made to feel a bit special.
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The fat chain smoking parents buy them presumably because even if their fags cause instantaneous combustion, they can still claim through Vauxhall as Zafiras catch fire anyway. Win win.
I actually rate Vauxhalls way above Fords and am currently running an Astra SRi 165 as a part snotter....and at the money am quite impressed....for a Vauxhall that is.
ChasW said:
J4CKO said:
Kierkegaard said:
Vauxhalls are hateful things.
The only Vauxhalls worth buying are ones not really made by Vauxhall at all - thinking VX220, Monaro etc. And even then some owners chip off the Vauxhall badges.
Vauxhall to me just puts me in mind of a steaming pile of turd. They have no real place in today's world and should be ousted from UK roads.
Out of interest, what do you drive ?The only Vauxhalls worth buying are ones not really made by Vauxhall at all - thinking VX220, Monaro etc. And even then some owners chip off the Vauxhall badges.
Vauxhall to me just puts me in mind of a steaming pile of turd. They have no real place in today's world and should be ousted from UK roads.
I am no Vauxhall fanboy boy but "steaming pile of turd" and "They have no real place in today's world and should be ousted from UK roads", most I can manage is indifference and perhaps buying something else ?
If these companies' products were as bad as they are made out to be they would have been out of business years ago.
In my opinion it's largely about perception and the effect of clever marketing and customer experience management. I worked for a large tech company and we had a "comparing notes" session with one of the major German auto brands on the subject of customer service. What became clear is that they did not believe that, objectively, their vehicles were that much better than those of the mainstream manufacturers, who are so derided most on PH. The difference was in the ownership experience which included everything from the breakdown service to the dealer service experience to the little convenience touches inside the car, like a torch for example. All carefully thought through.
My early experience of company cars was Fords and Vauxhalls. Never really disappointed by any of the cars, in fact a couple of Cavaliers were quite hot at the time, though the dealer service generally left much to be desired. When I "graduated" to a BMW I felt a bit special. But then I have to ask myself was it the car or just my ego being stroked and being made to feel a bit special.
At one time, ze Germans would have been way ahead in terms of inherent design & engineering and so reliability, longevity and so on. More recently, I wouldn't be so sure. While they might be anything up to great in something like road test isolation, in day to day reality, I'm not sure I'm all that bad convinced, personally.
Having knocked on the door with one each of Vx & Ford, they may be better than the credit given on that front, though you have to accept the downsides that come with what they are.
Of the two, I'd probably tend towards Ford now as any recent experience of GM seems to involve engines that are somewhere in the range of uninspiring, through a bit ropey, to downright s
te. My perception of Vauxhall these days, it that they are the 21st century's answer to Austin Rover. That may be a bit harsh, but overall they make cars that are competent. Absolutely fine. They are okay. No, really, absolutely fine. You are Mr/Mrs/Miss average and want a car? Go to Vauxhall. You'll get a vehicle that can do all the usual vehicle things, albeit in a beige slightly Elizabeth Duke kinda way.
I really wish though, that Ford would do something with the Mondeo. It has a crackin' chassis, which was held back for decades by Ford's ownership of more premium brands, whose sales would haver been massively eroded by a Mondeo with a good powertrain and trim. Let us hope that the rumours of a V6 biturbo in the next model refresh are true. Of course it will only sell 0.2% the numbers of the 2.0d tractors, but it was ever thus, no matter who the manufacturer. Both manufacturers current models suffer from having their interior mostly designed in the US, where they have no idea about materials quality, ergonomics or aesthetics.
I really wish though, that Ford would do something with the Mondeo. It has a crackin' chassis, which was held back for decades by Ford's ownership of more premium brands, whose sales would haver been massively eroded by a Mondeo with a good powertrain and trim. Let us hope that the rumours of a V6 biturbo in the next model refresh are true. Of course it will only sell 0.2% the numbers of the 2.0d tractors, but it was ever thus, no matter who the manufacturer. Both manufacturers current models suffer from having their interior mostly designed in the US, where they have no idea about materials quality, ergonomics or aesthetics.
clowesy said:
Whenever I drive or ride in a Vauxhall, I can't help but think it feels like being in the previous generation Ford/VAG/other equivalent.
I'm not sure I agreeThis 90's Vauxhall doesn't feel like a Ford of the 80's - it's a bit quicker than it's competitor the Sierra Cosworth
It does however "fizz" like a Ford of the 70's so you could be right
I'd not buy a "Vauxhall" built after 1994 mind so I'm a bit of a stuck in the mud
I've driven quite a few - they drive OK but meh - no spark or fire*!!
Lined* up the Zafira and Corsa comments - fill yer boots
Alan_I_W said:
tr7v8 said:
You do realise that the 2.8 is a VW VR6 lump don't you!
Funny story about that, the ford dealer told me it was their own engine which is why I chose it over a Sharan. Then when I went to trade it in for the XC90, they told me it was a VW unit.opel/ford/any of the french crap and fiats has few good models each but overall they all are just that- mass produced cheaply built crap!
I would only drive one if it was a company car and I had to drive it or was given one for free and I had free fuel/servicing on them.
vw with all their st build quality in past- no thanks as well..
will stick to petrol hondas and not worry too much about anything.Toyotas would be good also only if their design department wasnt stuck in 1990
I would only drive one if it was a company car and I had to drive it or was given one for free and I had free fuel/servicing on them.
vw with all their s
t build quality in past- no thanks as well..will stick to petrol hondas and not worry too much about anything.Toyotas would be good also only if their design department wasnt stuck in 1990
Edited by kurwa on Friday 4th November 03:17
powerstroke said:
yes few companys have a motorsport pedigree as broad as the ford motor company's ...
bigger and better than any german marque .....
This is the reason I've always loved Ford - rallying, Grand Prix/F1, GT/Sportscar racing, NASCAR, touring cars... they've competed and won just about every major motorsports trophy at some point or other. And not forgetting Henry Ford himself proving his very first car at Grosse Point to establish the importance of racing in the marque's heritage. bigger and better than any german marque .....
I think some stuff (particularly German) is vastly over-rated in terms of quality and reliability, and there is still a lot of badge snobbery around. As regards actual cars, I'm sure very few companies genuinely make bad cars these days - although some new stuff is getting a reputation for busting into flames at random times...
Sir Lord Poops piloted a 2013 Astra (1.7 CDti) to ~59k miles prior to it suffering a catastrophic engine failure; other than that the vehicle was fine in every other way. Poopie quipts, 'I am no car critic', but the ride quality and handling was good, and the motor had plenty of low down grunt, dare he say, it 'picked up' rather well for an oil burning rep-mobile.
Poops claims the motor was in its defense, used, abused and generally driven like it was stolen for it's final 20k miles, however the engine failure was a deal breaker for poops and it put him off the Vauxhall automobile brand for life apparently.
Poops claims the motor was in its defense, used, abused and generally driven like it was stolen for it's final 20k miles, however the engine failure was a deal breaker for poops and it put him off the Vauxhall automobile brand for life apparently.
kurwa said:
vw with all their st build quality in past- no thanks as well..
will stick to petrol hondas and not worry too much about anything.Toyotas would be good also only if their design department wasnt stuck in 1990
Which were st build quality in past- no thanks as well..will stick to petrol hondas and not worry too much about anything.Toyotas would be good also only if their design department wasnt stuck in 1990
Edited by kurwa on Friday 4th November 03:17
t build quality?Chlorothalonil said:
kurwa said:
vw with all their st build quality in past- no thanks as well..
will stick to petrol hondas and not worry too much about anything.Toyotas would be good also only if their design department wasnt stuck in 1990
Which were st build quality in past- no thanks as well..will stick to petrol hondas and not worry too much about anything.Toyotas would be good also only if their design department wasnt stuck in 1990
Edited by kurwa on Friday 4th November 03:17
t build quality?Edited by powerstroke on Friday 4th November 07:34
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