Would you buy an Alfa Romeo Giulia?
Discussion
kambites said:
Sorry, I thought we were discussing platforms. You are of course right that Audi use generic VAG engines, if that's important to you. Of course the 3-series shares engines with the MINI and I have vague memories that the C-class uses some Peugeot engines?
I agree that the A4 is very much bottom of the pack of current compact execs, although I can see why people buy them.
Yes but my point is that both BMW and Mercedes are the VW in those relationships. Obviously, I understand the need and requirement for part sharing for costs etc.I agree that the A4 is very much bottom of the pack of current compact execs, although I can see why people buy them.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 24th November 20:14
We have gone so far off topic
The Giulia. I want one. Petrol. In that deep blue colour I've seen.
Once I've tested the XE.
It is an intertesting point though, we don't currently know what other cars will spawn from this platform. I could easily see a top-end Fiat or Lancia car using it in the future. Or even a small Ferrari SUV?
I'd love to see them (Alfa) have a go at a front engined RWD sports-car/GT hybrid sort of thing on this platform. A sort of F-type competitor.
I'd love to see them (Alfa) have a go at a front engined RWD sports-car/GT hybrid sort of thing on this platform. A sort of F-type competitor.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 24th November 20:30
kambites said:
Hmm, the fact that my nearest dealer is 30 miles away would be a bit off-putting.
My nearest dealer was 15 miles away in Edinburgh but they closed a month ago and Alfa now expect me to travel an hour and a half (in good traffic) to the other side of Scotland to suffer an Arnold Clark experience instead. I actually went through to said Arnold Clark dealer last weekend with the intention of putting a deposit down on a Giulia but ended up walking away. One disinterested salesman who was too busy trying to flog a used Jeep to an old couple despite us getting there first and him knowing we were coming. Two Giulias in the showroom, an absolutely manky mid range model that looked like it had been taken down a special stage and then dumped in the middle of the showroom, and a QF that had appalling scratches and swirls all over it, filthy inside, badges missing from the wheels and some loose plastic parts randomly scattered around to decorate the interior, no info available and no test drive possible.
Business as usual at Arnold Clark Alfa then. I'd forgotten how terrible their old Edinburgh dealership used to be before Western took over but this brought back some....er....memories. I'll be buying an XE-S...
I remember reading some commentary from an industry insider quite recently that the quality control revolution that swept the Western manufacturers in the 1990s completely bypassed Fiat and, to a lesser extent, Chrysler. The culture and respect for the processes required to manufacture a consistent product need to run deep, and take a real sustained effort over a long period to ingrain into everyone in the organisation. I suspect both Fiat and Chrysler have spent so long in crisis and experienced so many changes in management that this has simply not been done.
I shall see if I can dig out what I read, but from my experience of the inconsistency in quality of FCA group products it seems quite plausible. My work at the moment also brings me into regular contact with one of the big leasing companies, and it's very interesting to hear their statistically relevant experience as opposed to "I reckon" b
ks and meaningless JD Power satisfaction surveys.
I shall see if I can dig out what I read, but from my experience of the inconsistency in quality of FCA group products it seems quite plausible. My work at the moment also brings me into regular contact with one of the big leasing companies, and it's very interesting to hear their statistically relevant experience as opposed to "I reckon" b
ks and meaningless JD Power satisfaction surveys.I absolutely would, im a big Alfa Romeo fan, and the Giulia is a true return to form for Alfa, this is what Alfa was about before all the FWD fiat based cars (which i still dearly love)
The Giulia is basically what the 75 would be 30 years on, and not to detract from the 155, 156 and 159, but the Giulia is what an Alfa saloon should be.
The Giulia is basically what the 75 would be 30 years on, and not to detract from the 155, 156 and 159, but the Giulia is what an Alfa saloon should be.
They don't seem to make a model for me tbh
Money no object I'd like the the 500bhp V6 with a manual box but they don't seem to do a halfway house petrol manual
I'm only speaking from the perspective of hoovering up a secondhand one after 3 years though as there would be too much depreciation for a private buyer like me
Money no object I'd like the the 500bhp V6 with a manual box but they don't seem to do a halfway house petrol manual
I'm only speaking from the perspective of hoovering up a secondhand one after 3 years though as there would be too much depreciation for a private buyer like me
s m said:
They don't seem to make a model for me tbh
Money no object I'd like the the 500bhp V6 with a manual box but they don't seem to do a halfway house petrol manual
I'm only speaking from the perspective of hoovering up a secondhand one after 3 years though as there would be too much depreciation for a private buyer like me
Dealers are taking orders on the 280bhp Veloce now. Shame the dealer for central Scotland is so fecking useless.Money no object I'd like the the 500bhp V6 with a manual box but they don't seem to do a halfway house petrol manual
I'm only speaking from the perspective of hoovering up a secondhand one after 3 years though as there would be too much depreciation for a private buyer like me
Ali_T said:
Dealers are taking orders on the 280bhp Veloce now. Shame the dealer for central Scotland is so fecking useless.
This is the big issue for me, even for company car drivers who don't have to worry about resale value. When your're likely to cover 100k in the 4 years you have a car and rely on it to do your job you would have to be very brave to go for the Alfa IMHO, especially with it being a brand new unproven model with poor dealership backup and what looks like the usual fit and finish issues.I'd steer clear for at least the first couple of years and see how things go personally.
I had one as a hire car in Germany a few weeks ago. A 2.2 litre diesel with a manual box.
It was every bit as premium inside as any BMW, Audi or Mercedes I've driven.
This one was fully loaded and I was extremely impressed.
Small though, this is BMW 1 series, Audi A3, Mercedes A Class size.
It was every bit as premium inside as any BMW, Audi or Mercedes I've driven.
This one was fully loaded and I was extremely impressed.
Small though, this is BMW 1 series, Audi A3, Mercedes A Class size.
SWoll said:
This is the big issue for me, even for company car drivers who don't have to worry about resale value. When your're likely to cover 100k in the 4 years you have a car and rely on it to do your job you would have to be very brave to go for the Alfa IMHO, especially with it being a brand new unproven model with poor dealership backup and what looks like the usual fit and finish issues.
I'd steer clear for at least the first couple of years and see how things go personally.
I don't think there has really been many fit and finish issues for quite a few years.I'd steer clear for at least the first couple of years and see how things go personally.
147/156/GT - These were actually very sturdy apart from the fuse box cover clips and slightly flimsy glovebox, however the near 180/190k mile 147 that was shed of the week or similar recently looked very impressive. Many people think my 12 year old GT is new or 2 years old !
159/Brera - These are verging on Audi levels of sturdyness inside, unfortunately part of the reason they were a little hefty.
Giulietta - Don't really know alot about these, but what I have heard is minor like lower trim being a bit cheap
Mito - Again tend to hold up, guess the weak spots again...glovebox and fuse box covers.
However all of the above have stood up to the miles/test of time, with some low points like low mileage 36K/3 years) cambelt changes needed on the TS/JTS.
I would have no more qualms buying a new model Alfa than I would a Mercedes/BMW, which are hardly trouble free cars. Although I do appreciate, it is how the dealer network deals with the issues that will affect the customer journey and perception of quality. e.g. I am slightly astonished that a SW dealership has been given the authority to sell Alfa's again.
kambites said:
So buying a 1.6 tonne saloon as a track car is completely normal and sensible?
It's not 2 tonnes though and I took issue with that, and plenty of people do just that with the M3, and the M5 is the ring taxi. If it can do it, and people want to use it for that purpose it is their choice imo.
I don't care about the ring time but its a nice thing to state and gives Alfa some figures to quote, but imo where Alfa have has done well is that they haven't fallen into the standard trap of making the ride rock solid and defined by these ring times, many of the reviews suggest that the Giulia QV has surprisingly decent standard road comfort as well.
So it's prettier than most/all of it's competition, fast, has pretty fantastic reviews on track/road and if the base spec is matched offers better value. Sounds like a winner to me.
Lost interest in all this sort of stuff when they all got flappy paddles - what a sack of stuff!
I'd spend less and get a V8 Mustang with a proper gearbox and 3 pedals!
Would never buy a new Alfa anyway, unless it was funded by my employer! (But as I don't have an employer that won't happen anytime soon)!
I'd spend less and get a V8 Mustang with a proper gearbox and 3 pedals!
Would never buy a new Alfa anyway, unless it was funded by my employer! (But as I don't have an employer that won't happen anytime soon)!
I think they've tried a bit too hard with the styling, it's too striking, and while that can be good for the QV with the twin exhausts and splitter(mean looking car), I think the standard one looks a little bit too much, it's over styled. You see all sorts of company car spec basic Jag XE's or 320ed's and you know that that's a basic one, you then see M sports or R lines that make you appreciate them more, the alfas all look the same, they're trying too hard. How many lexus' RC's do you see on the road? I have yet to see one and they've been out for a while, they're over styled, too in your face, trying too hard, look at the German trio, they play it safe and they succeed. This is all my opinion of course and while I've gone off topic, I'm answering the OP on the behalf of the majority of motorists in this market
kambites said:
V6Alfisti said:
kambites said:
Which is great, if you intend to buy a near two tonne saloon as a track car.
It's 1524kg and around 1600 with liquids, but whats 400-500kg ...And no, I wouldn't buy one.
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